That's a good way of putting it. I think having the other Spider-Men mentor MCU Peter was pretty inspired, especially since they didn't have them job to make him look better.
Yeah and they treated the previous Spider-Men with some sincere respect and even without the old characters, the MCU Spider-man cast can carry stuff well since there was effort put into it.
No Way Home is a pretty good to great movie, but it shouldn't be the blueprint for other Superhero movies especially when Hollywood will just take the old nostalgia bait as the takeaway which they have for shit like The Flash.
Maybe you're right. But you couldn't get me out of a film's fantasy harder than a damn magical Space Coffin. SPACE COFFIN.webm
Just 10 years ago they would have had Black Panther buried. Why not do the most sensible thing?
Why do they cheap-out so much on the Black Panther movies? Marvel is capable of higher quality effects work, and yet they apparently have chosen to settle for crap with Black Panther. Isnt that supposed to be a popular character?
Doesn't seem to be any official reviews for it yet, but what little reactions are out in the wild are pretty mixed for Ant-Man 3. The one consistent positive thing I noticed was that Majors is fantastic as Kang, which I guess is the most important thing if he's going to be the villain of the next two phases.
I went to see how it was rated at Rotten Tomatoes......it's certainly not the same movie I saw.
I have a sneaking suspicion that because it was a white male lead and a black villain, it's not going to do well with a lot of critics.
Turns out Kang was exiled to the Quantum realm by his multiverse variants. Michelle Pfeiffer helped him get the power source to his engine running, but the ship responds to his thoughts. She connected with his mind while inserting the power source and saw what he was really like. She made it gigantic so she couldn't use it and ran away.
While Scott was stuck in the quantum realm, his daughter had been working on a kind of probe to send a signal to him. She demonstrates it to him and the rest of the Ant-Man cast and they all get sucked into the quantum realm after a signal responds. Scott finds his daughter and Hank, Janet and Lost chick find each other. Eventually Hank & co. meet Bill Murray who betrays them to Kang. They escape on a ship and Michelle Pfeiffer explains what happened.
Scott and his daughter meet a group of ..... refugees or freedom fighters on the run from Kang but Modok eventually finds them. Modok is the villain from the first movie. Kang found him and transformed him. He looks ridiculous. Scott and daughter get captured and Kang has Scott get the power source to his ship and reduce it to normal size so he can escape the quantum realm, or Kang will kill his daughter.
He does it (cool scene) and Kang demands the power source while taking his daughter (black man kidnapping a white woman Marvel?)
This leads to a big battle where Kang is trying to use his ship to escape while everyone (including the freedom fighters) attack Kang (Scott's daughter let them out of prison). Michael Douglas has also found the ants from the ant colony that got sucked into the quantum realm and went through time dilation and are super advanced now. He uses them to attack Kang when it looks like he's going to win and it looks like the ants kill him.
Michelle Pfeiffer opens a portal back to the "real world" and everyone goes back except for Kang who shows up and beats the shit out of Scott. Wasp comes back to help and Scott put 4 shrinking things on the power source and Kang is sucked into it and dies. Everyone goes home. The End.
Mid credits scene - A bunch of variants are talking about how they have summoned all the Kangs together and it shows them chimping out.
Post credits scene - We are in a theatre in the early 1900sish and we see a Kang variant talking about time - cut to Owen Wilson laughing that this guy is dangerous and Loki looking afraid.
The first hour is really good. They establish Kang as a villain well, and don't even mention him by name, because most people are afraid. Kang seems like an actual credible threat.
The visual designs are actually cool. A lot of it is like a Roger Dean painting or covers you'd see on 70s sci-fi books. The quantum realm "aliens" are interesting. It actually reminded me of one of those old 60s Spider-Man episodes where he would go underground and there would be civilisations and creatures. Compared to how boring the new Star Wars aliens were, this was miles better.
There's not a lot of forced humour. There's a little here and there, but once they get to the quantum realm everything is mostly serious.
There's actually a plot. Things are telegraphed and pay off later. It doesn't totally insult the audience.
Things I didn't like:
MODOK
looks ridiculous and the only real bits of humour in the middle of the movie come from him and it doesn't work. He shouldn't have been in this movie. There's not a lot of SJW stuff although I heard one alien say "Burn it all down", which I'm sure is a BLM reference. That said, the cringey social justice is at a minimum here.
I highly suspect that it's getting bad reviews because it's a white male lead winning against a black villain, but that's just my theory.
Thinking about how much changed in a decade and how I can't even be bothered to watch a marvel movie unless it's widely consider a 10/10 best movie ever. I loved MCU and I didn't start getting underwhelmed until the 2nd Avengers. Iron Man was just such a well made movie with so much heart, I should still enjoy most of these movies what happened. Then I realized it's because everything went far too fantasy.
Iron Man is of course absurd science fiction, but when you watch it you don't start realizing how Tony's suit is absurd. It's because it's very grounded Sci-Fiction. It progressively got worse as it went as absurd as the comics. View attachment 4487244
This image when Tony rises his arms during a missile launch became was one of the earliest widespread images online. I wouldn't call it a "meme" because it didn't really evolve beyond a few photoshops. People just shared that because Robert Downey Jr. looked that damn cool.
That's the Marvel I miss. capeshit that only was a little more wild than most Blockbuster films. Now that Disney slashing budgets this is what Marvel needs to go back to. Make the setting only as over the top as it needs to be.
The original Iron Man felt closer to the Rami Spider-Man movies, X-men or Darkman, those early superheroes movies. A lot more grounded and more about practical effects than CGI.
I think that’s one of the reasons it’s looked back in so fondly, especially compared to the current fare
>We Wuz Kangz n shiet
>We Wuz Kongz n shiet
>We Wuz Changz n shiet (seriously, he's dressed up in the most blatant yellowface since Mickey Rooney)
>The most George Floyd lookalike actor possible is playing Kang, gets buck broken in the end by Ant-Chad, & has a scene playing multiple versions of Kangz in a stadium with them hooting & hollering like chimps, & making literally monkey noises.
I unironically believe there's /pol/ack in Marvel Studios. I refuse to believe this is real, we can't have this unironic meme magic.
I fucking love this, this is too funny. The Ancient Egyptian one probably made me lose my sides. I can't wait to see what dumb shit they'll take this because Kang is hilarious.
The original Iron Man felt closer to the Rami Spider-Man movies, X-men or Darkman, those early superheroes movies. A lot more grounded and more about practical effects than CGI.
I think that’s one of the reasons it’s looked back in so fondly, especially compared to the current fare
I fucking love this, this is too funny. The Ancient Egyptian one probably made me lose my sides. I can't wait to see what dumb shit they'll take this because Kang is hilarious.
With that said, I hope they do Kang in White and Asian face, because if the multiverse has so many Kangs including a blue one, then where are the other races. But they need keep the same actor because that would be funny.
>We Wuz Kangz n shiet
>We Wuz Kongz n shiet
>We Wuz Changz n shiet (seriously, he's dressed up in the most blatant yellowface since Mickey Rooney)
>The most George Floyd lookalike actor possible is playing Kang, gets buck broken in the end by Ant-Chad, & has a scene playing multiple versions of Kangz in a stadium with them hooting & hollering like chimps, & making literally monkey noises.
I unironically believe there's /pol/ack in Marvel Studios. I refuse to believe this is real, we can't have this unironic meme magic.
Coincidentally enough, the writer of this movie also wrote the dragon orgy Rick and Morty episode. He's also written for Jimmy Kimmel Live & The Onion TV show. He is also supposedly writing Avengers 5.
He also looks like exactly how you'd imagine he would.
Also, I just realised, the new big bad of MCU is a large group of rioting black people.
Why do they cheap-out so much on the Black Panther movies? Marvel is capable of higher quality effects work, and yet they apparently have chosen to settle for crap with Black Panther. Isnt that supposed to be a popular character?
I went to see how it was rated at Rotten Tomatoes......it's certainly not the same movie I saw.
I have a sneaking suspicion that because it was a white male lead and a black villain, it's not going to do well with a lot of critics.
Turns out Kang was exiled to the Quantum realm by his multiverse variants. Michelle Pfeiffer helped him get the power source to his engine running, but the ship responds to his thoughts. She connected with his mind while inserting the power source and saw what he was really like. She made it gigantic so she couldn't use it and ran away.
While Scott was stuck in the quantum realm, his daughter had been working on a kind of probe to send a signal to him. She demonstrates it to him and the rest of the Ant-Man cast and they all get sucked into the quantum realm after a signal responds. Scott finds his daughter and Hank, Janet and Lost chick find each other. Eventually Hank & co. meet Bill Murray who betrays them to Kang. They escape on a ship and Michelle Pfeiffer explains what happened.
Scott and his daughter meet a group of ..... refugees or freedom fighters on the run from Kang but Modok eventually finds them. Modok is the villain from the first movie. Kang found him and transformed him. He looks ridiculous. Scott and daughter get captured and Kang has Scott get the power source to his ship and reduce it to normal size so he can escape the quantum realm, or Kang will kill his daughter.
He does it (cool scene) and Kang demands the power source while taking his daughter (black man kidnapping a white woman Marvel?)
This leads to a big battle where Kang is trying to use his ship to escape while everyone (including the freedom fighters) attack Kang (Scott's daughter let them out of prison). Michael Douglas has also found the ants from the ant colony that got sucked into the quantum realm and went through time dilation and are super advanced now. He uses them to attack Kang when it looks like he's going to win and it looks like the ants kill him.
Michelle Pfeiffer opens a portal back to the "real world" and everyone goes back except for Kang who shows up and beats the shit out of Scott. Wasp comes back to help and Scott put 4 shrinking things on the power source and Kang is sucked into it and dies. Everyone goes home. The End.
Mid credits scene - A bunch of variants are talking about how they have summoned all the Kangs together and it shows them chimping out.
Post credits scene - We are in a theatre in the early 1900sish and we see a Kang variant talking about time - cut to Owen Wilson laughing that this guy is dangerous and Loki looking afraid.
The first hour is really good. They establish Kang as a villain well, and don't even mention him by name, because most people are afraid. Kang seems like an actual credible threat.
The visual designs are actually cool. A lot of it is like a Roger Dean painting or covers you'd see on 70s sci-fi books. The quantum realm "aliens" are interesting. It actually reminded me of one of those old 60s Spider-Man episodes where he would go underground and there would be civilizations and creatures. Compared to how boring the new Star Wars aliens were, this was miles better.
There's not a lot of forced humour. There's a little here and there, but once they get to the quantum realm everything is mostly serious.
There's actually a plot. Things are telegraphed and pay off later. It doesn't totally insult the audience.
Things I didn't like:
MODOK
looks ridiculous and the only real bits of humour in the middle of the movie come from him and it doesn't work. He shouldn't have been in this movie. There's not a lot of SJW stuff although I heard one alien say "Burn it all down", which I'm sure is a BLM reference. That said, the cringey social justice is at a minimum here.
I highly suspect that it's getting bad reviews because it's a white male lead winning against a black villain, but that's just my theory.
Just got back from it.
My local theater sends me discounts for late night pre-premieres, and I've taken the chance to go alone a couple times, see how the experience is.
First, I'll say I agree with you. I don't know what the fuck is up with the reviews. It's good, way better than Love and Thunder, for instance.
The good:
-The humor is there but it's not as excessive as the MCU usually is.
-The plot is good and interesting, like you said, there's setups and payoffs.
-Kang is intimidating.
-MODOK is... fine. I don't hate him as much as I've seen other do, but sure he could have been better. Still count him as "good".
-Scott, surprisingly, isn't the blithering dumbass he was in 2; sure, he's outclassed by the super science and weird shit that surrounds him, but he's competent while keeping an appropriate level of goofiness that doesn't descend into stupidity like before except for at the very very end, after they come back, which is very clearly a reshoot..
-Hank is great, as always, his ENTER moment near the end was awesome.
-The Quantum realm people are weird in a way that feels different than the magic weird and the space weird the MCU has shown us before. I found that was commendable. I've seen people compare it to the feel of alien-ness early Star Wars and I guess? Maybe?
-There's good character moments, particularly with Scott and Cassie. I still wish the original Cassie actress had kept the role, she's gotta be old enough by now, right? Or even the Endgame girl. It's jarring to see this girl who looks like neither of them suddenly taking the role.
The bad:
-The ending, and by that I mean the very very very ending. The earlier leaks said Scott and Hope were gonna stay trapped in the Quantum realm, and it's really obvious the point where that changes to the new ending. They're looking over the Quantum realm, beaten and bruised but relieved, just accepting their new fate and... nevermind, let's go home. And then Scott turns into a dumbass again, going "should I do something about the altKangs that Kang mentioned? NAAAAAAH". Stupid. One can only hope that Janet and the others do something to prepare, moving forward. Not that alerting the current "Avengers" is gonna help.
-The Ants reveal felt a bit asspully. It was one of the setups and payoffs, I was fully expecting them to show up from Hank hearing stuff on the earpiece, but suddenly being told of what they did in the meantime was jarring. Like, Jesus, I know they're industrious but come on.
-The shaky-cam. God dammit you're doing almost everything in CGI anyway, why add that to already chaotic action scenes?
-That post credit scene. Oh my god what were they thinking. They really did have the guy do a 1930's Chinese villain caricature for Immortus (who's never been like that), and all the niggakangs chimping out. Fucking incredible. I know the Egyptian one is the icing on the cake, but he's Rama-Tut, it's a thing, if you know Kang you expect him to show up eventually. What I didn't expect is that they'd even add my nigga wrinkly Kang:
The I don't know?:
My local theater, though it gives me discounts, is pretty shit. So the projection wasn't good, everything looked too dark, and I couldn't properly tell if the CGI was good or bad. There were some moments where it looked bad, like a few MODOK bits, or the first time Cassie is running while shrunk.
Anyway, I liked it with much fewer caveats than I've liked most of the from the post-Endgame era movies.
I should say, tho, I don't know if this is reflective of anywhere else but LADS, I used that late night pre-premiere discount to watch Multiverse of Madness and Love and Thunder, both times the room was full. This time? Must have been 20 to 30 people in there.
Did people stop caring? Is it just the tendency to underestimate the ANTS movies? Was Wakanda Forever bad enough to make people stop going to Marvel movies? (I haven't seen that one). OR IS IT JUST OVER?
Anyway going alone to a sparsely populated theater is a lot nicer than to a packed theater. I thought I was the only one who did it, and felt a bit self conscious, but I saw at least 3 other people going on their own as well.
TL;DR: I quite liked it, the ratings are out of their mind. Feels really weird.
Coincidentally enough, the writer of this movie also wrote the dragon orgy Rick and Morty episode. He's also written for Jimmy Kimmel Live & The Onion TV show. He is also supposedly writing Avengers 5.
>We Wuz Kangz n shiet
>We Wuz Kongz n shiet
>We Wuz Changz n shiet (seriously, he's dressed up in the most blatant yellowface since Mickey Rooney)
>The most George Floyd lookalike actor possible is playing Kang, gets buck broken in the end by Ant-Chad, & has a scene playing multiple versions of Kangz in a stadium with them hooting & hollering like chimps, & making literally monkey noises.
I unironically believe there's /pol/ack in Marvel Studios. I refuse to believe this is real, we can't have this unironic meme magic.
The council of Reeds was introduced in 2009, the council of Kangs in the late 80's. Of course, the Reeds could be the inspiration for the Ricks, but the concept was there with the Kangs first.
