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Is it wrong to find this meme funnier than what Whedon actually wrote?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_oIaW9Tyaoc
I remember a capeshitter homie trying that line as some sort of gotcha when I was a kid, I just said "nude". I'm not saying it gotcha'd his gotcha, but it was fun
Funnily enough, I was thinking about tha Luke Cage throwback when this was mentioned.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lqUgumAerGM:874
IIRC, the guy playing Luke Cage actually somewhat hated capeshit.
 
I don't even understand why there's no stopping at this point. The big 3 of comics are fucked already, Marvel is just an IP farm for MCU to be used. DC doesn't have a office which they blame Znyder for instead of admitting to it's mistakes. IDW went nearly bankrupt during Sitterson Era & I've heard that they recently lost their mainstream titles like Transformers, G.I. JOE, Sonic, etc.
People always say "Marvel only exists as an IP farm for the MCU" but when has that ever been true? When that originally was said, it was referring to the 2010s legacy characters being fodder for replacements once the actors retired which is the only case of it to be true. Can you name me a post MCU story that actually got adapted into the MCU? Hell, even when they do characters like Ms. Marvel, they made her into a genie and took basically nothing in terms of narrative from the books she came from even if you give them the pass on the Inhumans. Name any Phase 4 character and they basically have little to nothing from the original.

No, you NWH doesn't count as a Spider-Verse adaptation since it's not like the Spider-Men or being hunted down or anything. It shares more with OMD and OMIT than it does Spider-Verse. Only thing that comes to mind is Secret Empire getting a quip referencing it in Endgame but synergy between the two hasn't existed since Marvel Studios became a separate company in 2015.
 
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People always say "Marvel only exists as an IP farm for the MCU" but when has that ever been true? When that originally was said, it was referring to the 2010s legacy characters being fodder for replacements once the actors retired which is the only case of it to be true. Can you name me a post MCU story that actually got adapted into the MCU? Hell, even when they do characters like Ms. Marvel, they made her into a genie and took basically nothing in terms of narrative from the books she came from even if you give them the pass on the Inhumans. Name any Phase 4 character and they basically have little to nothing from the original.

No, you NWH doesn't count as a Spider-Verse adaptation since it's not like the Spider-Men or being hunted down or anything. It shares more with OMD and OMIT than it does Spider-Verse. Only thing that comes to mind is Secret Empire getting a quip referencing it in Endgame but synergy between the two hasn't existed since Marvel Studios became a separate company in 2015.
That's exactly the point, they just make characters now just to use them for the sake of MCU. However, it's changed from what it originally meant for due to how worse it got.

Now any new character made is for either wokeness sake, except like everything woke, it's as tone-deaf as it gets (Snowflake & Safespace), or just cause Marvel wants to make something for MCU to use later. Now Marvel isn't a comic company, it's a donut steel OC making factory for Disney's MCU to use. Any comic they make is a fucking joke (the recent example being the Miles comic).
 
That's exactly the point, they just make characters now just to use them for the sake of MCU. However, it's changed from what it originally meant for due to how worse it got.

Now any new character made is for either wokeness sake, except like everything woke, it's as tone-deaf as it gets (Snowflake & Safespace), or just cause Marvel wants to make something for MCU to use later. Now Marvel isn't a comic company, it's a donut steel OC making factory for Disney's MCU to use. Any comic they make is a fucking joke (the recent example being the Miles comic).
Snowflake and Safespace are from a cancelled comic that never came out with the only one to actually make it being B-Negative as a background character in another book. I very much doubt they're ever getting into the MCU. My point is even if you fixate on the characters they take nothing and might as well be OCs. Even characters that predate the MCU that get added now like Shang-Chi, Eternals, Moon Knight, etc. are all like that

You're forgetting that Marvel Entertainment and Marvel Studios aren't the same company and haven't been since 2015, there is no master planner connecting things things. I get sperging about woke shit but these aren't informed opinions and just going off popular narratives from clickbait that don't necessarily line-up with reality.
 
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Snowflake and Safespace are from a cancelled comic that never came out with the only one to actually make it being B-Negative as a background character in another book. I very much doubt they're ever getting into the MCU. My point is even if you fixate on the characters they take nothing and might as well be OCs. Even characters that predate the MCU that get added now like Shang-Chi, Eternals, Moon Knight, etc. are all like that

You're forgetting that Marvel Entertainment and Marvel Studios aren't the same company and haven't been since 2015, there is no master planner connecting things things. I get sperging about woke shit but these aren't informed opinions and just going off popular narratives from clickbait that don't necessarily line-up with reality.
I suspect the Snowflake and Safespace book was meant as either a trial balloon or sacrificial lamb by editorial to see if they could turn anti-SJW clickbait into sales. It's not crazy or new, producers like Corman, Friedman, and the guys at AIP, among others, used to gin up free publicity for their exploitation movies by deliberately courting controversy and sometimes even faking protests. Plus, these goons are so ideologically isolated they just assumed they could generate massive sales and support by crying about the mean Nerdrotic et al shitting on their poor, oppressed comic, not realizing that there weren't enough hate-readers to prop them up and SJWs don't spend money on anything other than Funko Pops and Uber Eats. The annual budget for Marvel and DC Comics are so low that their parent companies consider them as a rounding error, so all these mistakes and own goals and decisions are probably being made on the loser level, and like most loser level decisions made by low-value, low-salary midwits, they are erratic, ill advised, and made in a vacuum.
 
People always say "Marvel only exists as an IP farm for the MCU" but when has that ever been true? When that originally was said, it was referring to the 2010s legacy characters being fodder for replacements once the actors retired which is the only case of it to be true. Can you name me a post MCU story that actually got adapted into the MCU? Hell, even when they do characters like Ms. Marvel, they made her into a genie and took basically nothing in terms of narrative from the books she came from even if you give them the pass on the Inhumans. Name any Phase 4 character and they basically have little to nothing from the original.

No, you NWH doesn't count as a Spider-Verse adaptation since it's not like the Spider-Men or being hunted down or anything. It shares more with OMD and OMIT than it does Spider-Verse. Only thing that comes to mind is Secret Empire getting a quip referencing it in Endgame but synergy between the two hasn't existed since Marvel Studios became a separate company in 2015.
The executives are probably engaging in A-B testing with comics. They let the wokies do whatever to see small audience reaction and see the outsized dislike for the content. They then poach some of the more recognizable comics names, but make them OCs because their performance in comics was abysmal. "Let's NOT give Ms. Marvel goofy inflatable hands!" or "Let's NOT have Lady Thor be massively insecure and overcompensate for everything!"
 
The executives are probably engaging in A-B testing with comics. They let the wokies do whatever to see small audience reaction and see the outsized dislike for the content. They then poach some of the more recognizable comics names, but make them OCs because their performance in comics was abysmal. "Let's NOT give Ms. Marvel goofy inflatable hands!" or "Let's NOT have Lady Thor be massively insecure and overcompensate for everything!"
Probably they're also figuring, "well shit we already own these dumb characters and those Kids These Days seem to like gay brown people, let's stick em into the next movie or TV show and see if we can turn it into money", plus they probably figure it'll gain them those sweet, sweet ESG credits, and the creators and actors are being paid in Home Depot gift cards and free sandwiches anyway, so what can it hurt.
 
The executives are probably engaging in A-B testing with comics. They let the wokies do whatever to see small audience reaction and see the outsized dislike for the content. They then poach some of the more recognizable comics names, but make them OCs because their performance in comics was abysmal. "Let's NOT give Ms. Marvel goofy inflatable hands!" or "Let's NOT have Lady Thor be massively insecure and overcompensate for everything!"
No, they aren't doing that in any sense. You don't have to make it a mystery box we can't look into when Marvel Studios straight up tells you what they're doing. Ms. Marvel being a shapeshifter in her original comic was to tie into her story starting off with a "being conformable being yourself" message with her starting off by pretending to be Carol. She's not "stretchy Mr. Fantastic clone" like you usually see online and arguably could be called a Mystique knock-off if anything which would still be silly. The genie thing with Ms. Marvel is because they want her to have big flashy powers like Carol's for The Marvels.

https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1524398737606463488

On a similar note, some changes like making America Chavez into a wizard or making She-Hulk's transformations anger based suggest their endgoal is making any legacy characters they use into more direct counterparts to the MCU Avengers as of Endgame even if they had little to no connection beforehand. She-Hulk and a bunch of those characters I named in the last post aren't even new "lmao diversity" characters but they still get the same treatment.
 
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I don't even understand why there's no stopping at this point. The big 3 of comics are fucked already, Marvel is just an IP farm for MCU to be used. DC doesn't have a office which they blame Znyder for instead of admitting to it's mistakes. IDW went nearly bankrupt during Sitterson Era & I've heard that they recently lost their mainstream titles like Transformers, G.I. JOE, Sonic, etc.
Marvel does seem to be burning more bridges as this stuff keeps going. Their VFX artists seem to have enough of this.
 
Literally Falcon becoming Captain America and Jane Foster getting cancer and becoming Thor.

If we are going to argue those don't count because they weren't straight up retellings, nothing in the MCU has been a real adaptation then.
I'm not saying straight up retellings, I mean did they use the stories where those things happened in any real form? Sam as Cap and Jane-Thor are elements of those stories. You can't call something an adaptation because somebody wore the same shirt. That's an extremely surface level way of looking at things.

Iron Man 1 is an adaptation of his origin and parts of 80s Iron Man, Avengers 1 is a mash-up of Avengers #1 and Ultimates vol 1, Winter Soldier takes loosely from Brubaker's Captain America, etc. Even Love and Thunder is a loose adaptation of Jason Aaron's God-Butcher story. There's no counterpart to Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

That's also not even a gotcha, I actually do think barely anything in the MCU has been a real adaptation. There's more in Phase 1 and 2 than in MCU material that came afterwards. These are reimaginings,
 
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SFX (GamesRadar's tv/movie magazine) had an interview with the director of She-Hulk, Kat Coiro. In it, they asked her about the criticism of the CGI in the show.
Kat Coiro said:
I think a lot of the reactions have to do with the fact that she is so different than anything we’ve seen. When you think of Thanos or Hulk, they have a grisliness and a harshness and a bulkiness to them that is just so different. And when you just see a little pop of her, it’s almost shocking because we haven’t seen it before.

[Victoria Alonzo, President of Physical, Post Production, VFX, and Animation at Marvel Studios] has such an incredible eye, and to me a lot of that eye comes from this very emotional gut reaction that she has, which is backed by decades of technical expertise. What I think is so cool is she keeps this real emotional reaction to the VFX. Watching her work has taught me so much about why something works and why it doesn’t; why does it go into uncanny valley? And it always comes back to the actor’s performance and capturing that.
Her response to "Why is your CG so shit?" is straight up "Yeah we know it looks plastic and fake, but its not my fault. My boss signed off on it, so she's partially to blame. Also maybe the actress makes weird faces that are hard to reproduce in CG?"
 
When the MCU goes down for good, they will blame muh-soggy-knee.
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When the MCU goes down for good, they will blame muh-soggy-knee.
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Virtually every super hero commits sacrifice in some way or another whether it's risking his life or losing on his personal life. The fact that it's completely ignored when men do it (probably because they expect them to) really brings to mind the joke that, for women, empathy is a super power.
Plus Captain America sacrifices himself in his first movie, Iron Man sacrifices himself in the end of Avengers, that quick dude protects Hawkeye in Avengers 2, there's Groot. And I'm probably forgetting multiple more minor characters that die so the heroes might live.
 
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