Lolicon/Shotacon Defense Force - The people who jerk off to cartoon children and won't ever shut up about it

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I remeber like a year or so ago, watching a video on twitter of a dad and his son on a bookstore, his son (he looked 13 at most, probably could be as young as 11) was holding an issue of Berserk in his hands, the man took the manga from his son and put it back on the shelf. Half of the qrts were people outraged at how the dad was "supporting censorship!" and "a controlling parent!". The people who think like this are quite literally fatherless individuals whose parents never pushed back aganist their wishes
Listen, I'm a weeb, at the same time, there are books on my shelf, anime that i've watched that its like "well can't share this with my nephews until they are way fucking older". Its called being a adult. That's a good dad right there.

And on your point, not only are those individuals fatherless but childless. I'll tell you what, being a uncle, even though I don't have my own kids, changed me man. It brought perspective as to why you can't buy a rated R movie as a kid, shit like that. It fucks you up. You aren't mature enough as a kid to deal with it. Does it mean the media itself is necessarily bad just by its rating? No but it means its extreme in some aspect. Swearing, violence, sexual content, stuff like that, stuff kids really don't need to see that young.

Does that change when you get older and become a adult? Yeah, you're a adult, you can buy a gun and drive a car, I can't stop you from reading a edgy comic. I might warn you though. Tell you its a bad idea. Because in my perspective, I love you as your uncle and I don't want you to get fucked up. And while you're still a kid, yeah i'm not going to let you read stuff like Bezerk, because that is too much.
 
I mean, when it came to that 2010 bill, how many mangaka were for it and how many were against it, exactly? Ken Akamatsu ran for office and was voted in on the campaign of protecting the freedom of expression in art (his profession) that had been under attack for years before and after 2010. I agree adult material shouldn't ever be distributed to minors in any capacity, and if it was just limited to that in holding sellers/distributors accountable, I don't think there would've been much of a pushback against it. However, it's likely it failed to pass because unless every adult material is tagged/chipped/registered in some database that would trigger a fine/response every time a minor bought it in cash, it's practically impossible to enforce, and you can't have police stationed at each bookstore. I also know that had that bill been put into full effect that a lot of mangaka could've had their manga/serialized magazines sold in less stores depending on the area, and so they may have been trying to protect their livelihoods. Amazon and online retail still hadn't fully caught on in Japan then, and even then, what if those online retailers chose to pull listings over the bill so they don't get in trouble? It's ultimately on the parents to ensure their children don't get exposed to adult material before they're of age, but you know these parent groups rarely ever self-reflect on how they're raising their children.

There's a reason Shimoneta was written back in 2012, it was to criticize these kinds of bills and parental groups (the same ones that Go Nagai lampooned back in the '60s) with something as ridiculous-sounding as "Law for Public Order and Morals in Healthy Child-Raising" which meant so much as Googling, reading an uncensored (gasp!) anatomy book, or uttering such obscene words like "sex", "penis", "vagina", et. cetera even in the privacy of your home meant getting an electric shock from a shock collar everyone has to wear and repeat offenders get vanned. In the series, this made it so a rising generation has no idea what the concept of sex and childbearing even is, let alone have an actual understanding of how puberty and hormones work, all in the name of helicopter parents protecting their little angels' innocence. This is shown in the actions of Anna Nishikinomiya where she's developing romantic and sexual feelings but has no idea what's happening to her body and her mind because her mother was the very mastermind behind this law, and she goes legit rapey-yandere from it. It's played both for laughs and for horror as you watch her legit molest and sexually harass the main character without any form of self-awareness about what she's doing.

Hilariously enough, in proving the creator right, parents actively complained about the anime whenever they caught their kids (teenagers, most likely) watching it instead of studying/going to bed even though no nipples were shown in the broadcast (I believe even on the AT-X broadcast) until the end credits of the final episode. Meanwhile I have no idea if these same parents complained about Qwaser of Stigmata from five years prior over its lewd breast milk fetish and a lesbian(?) S&M gothic loli, but I'm guessing not since that show aired at 3:30 AM on Sundays while Shimoneta aired before midnight on Saturdays, and Qwaser was published in the same monthly seinen magazine the second half of Grappler Baki was serialized in.

Manga and anime have gotten popular because the freedom of art allowed creators to get weird and wild if they so chose to (hence the doujin scene). Sometimes it's because that's legit the artist's fetish, and sometimes it's for shock value or for storytelling. I think it's only gotten to be a problem in recent years because of the Internet, and young people have been finding it harder and harder to separate fiction from reality, though this is shown to be also true among the older generations because Grandma accidently typed in the wrong word or clicked on a link without a second thought. On top of that, Japan's (post-war) taboo against sex of any kind meant the government can't keep up with the times, so you're always hearing of censorship bills being introduced but never taking full effect, and it's considered a safe bet to assume it takes about ten years before Western social issues start showing up in Japan for such pushbacks to occur. If anyone is old enough to remember if there were similar things happening here in the States around the 2000s involving media censorship or the redefining of obscenity laws (I don't think it was just about the violent video games), I'd appreciate if you help clear this up for me.

But it's more likely the real issue is we're looking at it through the eyes of Westerners with no clue on how the Japanese government works, we just hear "attacks on freedom of speech/expression" and think it's similar to how it works here. 🤷‍♀️ All I know is that in recent years, the same "no fun allowed" fuckheads from here have been infiltrating Japanese committees and censoring material coming out here because boobs and lack of black/gay people in the cast offend them, and the Japanese are noticing. It's quite telling that no woke/woke-adjacent anime has made a big splash over there, like you're not hearing of Japanese fans throwing a hissy fit over how Wonder Egg Priority ended like you have with the trannies here for instance.
 
All I know is that in recent years, the same "no fun allowed" fuckheads from here have been infiltrating Japanese committees and censoring material coming out here because boobs and lack of black/gay people in the cast offend them, and the Japanese are noticing.
Another double standard discovered. They're willing to use the "it's their culture!" excuse when it comes to loli/shota but somehow that doesn't excuse alleged racism/sexism.
 
Also another thing about the bill in terms of explicit manga/anime being taken off of shelves. Curtained-off sections exist to separate the smut from the more mainstream normie stuff, and far as I know has been a thing for decades though not every store did this, which is probably another reason why the bill didn't fully go through since stores were already monitoring themselves. Although you still had places like convenient stores that would have their porn mags sold alongside fashion and family magazines until relatively recently (I don't know if the stores returned the porn mags to their usual places after the Olympics), so I think it depended on the store owner/manager for such placements.

I mention this because I just remembered I've been noticing that Barnes & Noble have smut manga being displayed alongside more family-friendly titles like Chi's Sweet Home and fluffy shoujo. I find it interesting that they're doing that because usually here in the States that gets brought up as calls for concern. But I'm thinking parents aren't wandering into the manga section of these stores as often anymore, or just avoid it because it's the manga section, so they either don't know about this or don't care as long as their own kids aren't going there. It honestly doesn't make sense to me for B&N to just cram all these manga together as one when you got smut like Dick Fight Island and Nana to Kaoru staring you in the face as soon as you walk over there--and not all of it is cellophane-wrapped. Why not sanction stuff off behind a curtain like in Japan? Would that make them have to pay closer attention and that any-and-all loli/shota titles being sold (because they do still get distributed here) may have to also be put alongside stuff like Yakuza Lover and Yarichin Bitch Club?
 
Probably because the people doing the supplying and stocking aren't actually looking at any of the product they're supplying and stocking.
Being perfectly frank bookstores run on low margins as is. If something sells they stock it. Its that simple. And with Barns and Noble a lot of it comes from corporate. They're given a list of titles to stock so the stores stock it. That list comes from whats currently selling and whats new. Its very mechanical.
 
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the retardation is genuinely unbelievable-oh and this person was also involved with roblox. these are the people playing the same video games as your kids
 
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150 centimeters is 4'9" btw. It makes her a little shorter than the average Japanese woman (5'2").

Still, though, dude has a point that using Karen (and even Fukaziroh after looking up the wiki) as an example doesn't entirely work since she is an adult, and I believe they still give the same age of 19 even as avatars. Despite how they look, small women do exist and look like that, guys, and it's not all uncommon for this look to be used for adult female characters. For example, Aoba Suzukaze from New Game! and Futaba Igarashi from My Sempai is Annoying are adult women working in corporate who are so small they get mistaken for middle-schoolers. This is a real phenomenon.
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Unless the guy has an affinity for loli characters in general, those two aren't enough to be the got'cha you're looking for.

The marketing features the avatars heavily, of course, but that was always the main appeal. Now real talk, Sword Art Online is notorious for being fanservicey to begin with, so whose idea was it for the avatar designs for Gun Gale? Was it totally the original creator's idea, or someone else with a history of working on moé shows?

oh and this person was also involved with roblox
He should get burned at the stake for this alone. Sword Art Online is garbage anyway, his trash taste in anime just isn't enough to get him crucified.
 
The biggest "gotcha" you can get on them is grabbing evidence of them going out of their way to consume pornography of individuals that are specifically underage.

Also, I find it hilarious that pornographic artwork of furry characters is usually just called "furry porn" but calling pornographic artwork of child characters "child porn" is somehow crossing too many lines with these imbeciles. Usually they break down and proclaim that only CSAM is actually child porn, and that some of them also only consume lolishoshit as a way of coping with the fact they were molested.........like the cycle of abuse totally isn't a thing that they're making themselves more prone to continuing by engaging in their addiction.
 
It's amazing to me how bad faith lolicons are. In no other circumstance would anyone argue that there's zero psychological connection between drawn art and your sexual inclinations.

No one would ever doubt the general psychological connection between, say, a man's heterosexuality and him liking hentai involving hot anime girls, or a man's homosexuality if they like yaoi. Nor would people with such inclinations deny the connection solely because they're drawn and perhaps somewhat stylized art as opposed to real people.

But the moment it's lolicon you get hit with the insane, passionate, vigorous insistence that there's zero connection between being attracted to kids and being sexually aroused by drawn depictions of children solely on the basis that they're drawings. Everyone knows deep down that it's a totally bullshit distinction outside of edge cases that arguably shouldn't be called lolicon (e.g. a fetish for "imp"-style characters ala Midna from Zelda).

I'd also like to add that I don't think the "canonical age" of the characters really matters compared to their physical appearance especially proportions. For example I don't think people who find Asuka from Evangelion hot are necessarily pedos just because she's "canonically 14". She's not really drawn like a lolicon, and if she was "canonically 18" her physical proportions wouldn't be unfitting. Whilst obviously the reason why pedophilia is wrong is the age, that's not generally what the "fetish" is, so people who make a big deal out of the age of characters in a vacuum are missing the nuance and "spirit" of the issue.
 
That's her avatar I believe. Because it's Gun Gale. Not her IRL body outside VR.
She's actually rather tall IRL, IIRC, and she uses said small avatar because she felt tired of being so tall.

Despite how they look, small women do exist and look like that, guys, and it's not all uncommon for this look to be used for adult female characters. For example, Aoba Suzukaze from New Game! and Futaba Igarashi from My Sempai is Annoying are adult women working in corporate who are so small they get mistaken for middle-schoolers. This is a real phenomenon.
I've met some women in college that are around 150cm tall, so I agree with this. The funniest part is that she was doing a presentation with the tallest guy in the classroom, easily around 200cm tall. Rather hilarious to have a guy so tall be talking to then switch to such a small woman.

For example I don't think people who find Asuka from Evangelion hot are necessarily pedos just because she's "canonically 14". She's not really drawn like a lolicon, and if she was "canonically 18" her physical proportions wouldn't be unfitting. Whilst obviously the reason why pedophilia is wrong is the age, that's not generally what the "fetish" is, so people who make a big deal out of the age of characters in a vacuum are missing the nuance and "spirit" of the issue.
Asuka's proportions are more or less the ones of a girl her age, but actually on the shorter side for a white female. The thing is that all of the kid characters in NGE are almost midget-tier (Shinji for example is 150cm tall at 14, which is obviously not natural, not even for an asian boy with parents of normal height). It's not obviously pedophilic like, for example, getting off to Flandre from Touhou-tier, but I would find a guy in his mid-20s or older being attracted to her very weird and I wouldn't trust him around kids
 
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but the most dangerous in my opinion are those 10-20% that can hide their powerlevel. Those are the guys with 20tb hard drives filled with CSAM.
Those people are usually so far off the deep end they can't differentiate reality and fiction to the point that they will actively hunt down for the "real thing", even if it means coercing minors online to make their content for them, the sick fucks. That's what I associate with "gooners" now; people so depraved that they probably get off to actual illegal shit, and I don't mean revenge porn.
 
or a man's homosexuality if they like yaoi.
Tangent, but I feel like you may be surprised at the number of "totally straight" weebs that, in fact, like trap porn. Those ones also tend to do some serious mental gymnastics to defend their heterosexuality despite being sexually attracted to a male character.
 
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