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The Jumping Dwarf said:
Chuck Jones is not a lolcow. Geniuses are not lolcows.

Anyway, for some horrorcow material, I would like to point out that Mitsutoshi Shimabukuro, the guy who makes the incredibly popular Toriko manga, is a convicted pedophile. He was found guilty of child prostitution in 2002.

For some reason this seems to be either an unknown fact in the west, or it is routinely willfully ignored. When it is brought up, the version that is usually given is that he had sex with a 16 year old girl. The reality is much worse, though. A Japanese newspaper reported on the story as follows:



So yeah. I don't know why this person is still being supported.
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If that's true then what happened to his sentencing? If it was such a big deal as that you think he wouldn't be let out so soon let alone be rehired in jump. It doesn't really say anything about why the judge did as he did. I'd only ever heard the 16 year old version myself.

I'm certainly not defending him, I just want to know more. I do like Toriko but am aware of this so I've never financially supported it or anything.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
@Konstantinos: There's an entire school of thought that comic books are inferior to newspaper comics. The first history of comic art ever written praised newspaper comics to high heaven, but deemed all comic books to be cheap junk.
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It doesn't help that newspaper comics aren't appealing anymore.
it's either recycled jokes or strips still trying to be relevant. Web comics are the new newspaper comics in a way.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
@Konstantinos: There's an entire school of thought that comic books are inferior to newspaper comics. The first history of comic art ever written praised newspaper comics to high heaven, but deemed all comic books to be cheap junk.
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At that point in time, I imagine there were a lot more all time classic newspaper comics than all time classic comic books. How long did it take before there were comic books on the same artistic level as Krazy Kat, or Lil' Nemo, or Prince Valiant?

Oglooger said:
It doesn't help that newspaper comics aren't appealing anymore.
it's either recycled jokes or strips still trying to be relevant. Web comics are the new newspaper comics in a way.
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To a very small degree.

Newspaper comics had higher readership, greater cultural ubiquity, and had to deal with editors. They also made a lot more money than any web cartoonist in history has ever earned. Even the most successful webcomic today, such as Penny Arcade, makes peanuts next to even a moderately successful newspaper strip could, and still can, generate.

Go ahead. Take one guess who the richest author in the world is? J.K. Rowling? No. Stephen King? No. James Patterson? No.

It's Jim Davis, the Garfield guy. That's the kind of money I'm talking about.
 
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Gensdupays said:
Jim Davis is a pretty cool guy about it all, though. I read an interview and he seemed down-to-earth.
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Oh, certainly. As far as I know, Jim Davis isn't a lolcow at all. I've never seen him say anything nasty about the Jews. I've never heard of him doing anything misogynistic. I've never seen him put on heirs about what he does or lie about the reason he makes his comic.

Garfield definitely needed those parodies. It's the antithesis of art, but I don't fault Davis at all for what he's done. At least he just made something artless rather than detestable like Rall or Tinsley.

Speaking of Bruce Tinsley, what a spectacular loser that asshole is.
 
KingofManga420 said:
If that's true then what happened to his sentencing? If it was such a big deal as that you think he wouldn't be let out so soon let alone be rehired in jump. It doesn't really say anything about why the judge did as he did. I'd only ever heard the 16 year old version myself.

I'm certainly not defending him, I just want to know more. I do like Toriko but am aware of this so I've never financially supported it or anything.
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Hell if I know. Japan is weird with its laws of consent. What I do know is that what appears to be the most reliable source for this claim (translated directly from a Japanese newspaper) says that his actions really seem to have been worse than the information we got in the west, but the judge gave him a really small sentence for some reason.

In any case, even if it were only the one time, it's still a pretty icky thing to do. From what I've gathered, he trawled websites specifically looking for an underage prostitute. A normal prostitute just wouldn't do for him. That's gross.
 
More than that. Apparently there are records of the Toriko guy getting with at least five underage prostitutes, and he was busted for possession of porn of underage girls. Considering that Toriko's a very successful property, he was given a slap on the wrist, and doesn't seem to have apologized at all for his monstrous behavior; he's probably learned nothing aside from better techniques on how to avoid getting caught.

That's horrifying.
 
*Asterisk* said:
More than that. Apparently there are records of the Toriko guy getting with at least five underage prostitutes, and he was busted for possession of porn of underage girls. Considering that Toriko's a very successful property, he was given a slap on the wrist, and doesn't seem to have apologized at all for his monstrous behavior; he's probably learned nothing aside from better techniques on how to avoid getting caught.

That's horrifying.
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It's strange because he became successful AFTER that mess. His original manga was very unremarkable from what I've heard, but yes now he has more than enough money to cover up his tracks better in the future.
 
Dude even has high profile friends like Eiichiro Oda, the One Piece guy.

Guess apologia for horrible celebrities and immunity for their crimes is quite cross cultural.
 
@*Asterisk*: If you had to ask me, I'd say it came about with the EC comics of the 50s; Tales from the Crypt and Kurtzman's MAD and all that.
 
*Asterisk* said:
Dude even has high profile friends like Eiichiro Oda, the One Piece guy.
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Speaking of Oda, he doesn't really qualify, but the dude has a weird lifestyle.
He's literally working himself to death. He says he only sleeps around 3-4 hours a day on average like it's the most normal thing ever, and he has been hospitalized due to health issues before. Not to mention he's apparently a hell of a chain-smoker and shows no signs of stopping.
I'm quite aware manga editors are pushy as all hell but he might not live to write the end of his manga if he keeps up like this. I can't tell if he's that passionate about his work or if he just loves the money it makes that much.
 
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Eiichiro Oda's a freak. He writes a children's comic about a pirate made of rubber that's about as penetrable as a James Joyce novel. He's taken a story than could've been wrapped up in five or ten years, stretched it out over two decades, and it still has no end in sight. He took fifteen years before he did a timeskip, which went forward just two years. He doesn't take any shortcuts. He draws every moving object in the series by himself. He doesn't recycle old art for flashback sequences. He sleeps less than Thomas Edison on meth, to the point where I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he's on it himself.

Dave Sim is less of a freak than Oda. Hell, Kentaro Miura is less of a freak than Oda. At least when he turned 40 he'd already gotten sick of working himself to death and slowed the fuck down on the pace. George R.R. Martin'll finish the Song of Ice and Fire before Oda finishes One Piece.
 
*Asterisk* said:
Go ahead. Take one guess who the richest author in the world is? J.K. Rowling? No. Stephen King? No. James Patterson? No.

It's Jim Davis, the Garfield guy. That's the kind of money I'm talking about.
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You know, I have nothing at all against Jim Davis, but that's just fucking depressing.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
@Oglooger: Is anything that brought us Garfield and Friends really all that bad?
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I'm not really a garfield fan so I can't say.
I was thinking more about the newspaper comic. I really didn't like the cartoon as a kid.

this is the only garfield thing I really sat through, not counting garfield minus garfield
 
@Oglooger: Garfield was funny, once upon a time... So was The Family Circus and so was Dilbert and so was 98% of the crap that you see in papers today that's been running 70 years.

But back on the topic... I asked earlier if John Kricfalusi counts as a lolcow cartoonist. Anyone think so?
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
@Oglooger: Garfield was funny, once upon a time... So was The Family Circus and so was Dilbert and so was 98% of the crap that you see in papers today that's been running 70 years.

But back on the topic... I asked earlier if John Kricfalusi counts as a lolcow cartoonist. Anyone think so?
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I mentioned John K. as a possible lolcow earlier. it was hard to type it down since he's my idol and inspiration to to keep drawing.
 
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