Life after prison - What happens if Chris is One Day released from prison

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Eh, what Chris's done was so uncharacteristic for that land, that their system didn't even have the "mother-son" option, only "child-grandchild", but I am sure you knew this.


"Plausible" evidence is not evidence. Really, I am getting tired of this.

- They found something to arrest Chris.
- Well, he broke EPO.
- Eh. no, his charges say it's incest and there was enough time to determine that.
- No, there wasn't! There was not enough time.
- Ok, so Chris was charged with EPO violation?
- No, they removed him to determine if he did it.
- Ok, so they DID find something on Barb?
- No, they couldn't, here is teenheathcare link.
- Ok, so why did they arrest him then?
- Because they found additional evidence!
- But you said they couldn't at that time frame! What Barb said something?
- She couldn't, because she would've said her family!
- But they hate her to the point of leaving her on Chris!
- Doesn't matter, still family!
- I don't think you understand...
- All your claims are baseless!



Right.


Oh, now you are a psychiatrist as well.
1: Gendered phrasing in the law is a product of the time it was created,. Can you think of a single example of a judge allowing a crime to go unpunished due to said gendered phrasing ?

Criminal code of Virginia : B. Any (((((person))))) who engages in sexual intercourse with his daughter or granddaughter, son or grandson, or father or ((((mother))))) is guilty of a Class 5 felony.

Clearly illegal



2: its fucking unreal how stupid you are lol

Plausible : : superficially fair, reasonable, or valuable

: appearing worthy of belief

So you are saying evidence worthy of belief isnt evidence ? Are you a fucking retard ?

3: Thats not how the argument progressed


- They arrested chris and therefore that proves they found physical evidence on barb- You
- It really doesnt , particularly considering they arrested him shortly after null reported he violated EPO, -me
- BUT HIS CHARGES DONT SAY EPO and there was 2.5 days to examine - You
- Rape kit takes atleast a week and thats assuming barb was competent to consent and consented. Also i didnt say he was charged with violating epo -me
- THEN THEY FOUND PHYSICAL EVIDENCE ON EXAMINATION OF SEX -You
- Gynos are not able to determine if someone simply had sex , here is source - Me
- Ok, so Chris was charged with EPO violation? -you
- No, they moved to arrest and charge with incest partially because of EPO violation -me

Im not going through fixing the rest of your bullshit to match reality; as it breaks down into utter nonsense that was never once claimed after that. They didnt remove him " to determine if he did it ". They removed him because there was a safety concern for a potential victim. That is addressed by serving an EPO . They didnt feel need to charge him yet and simply continued their investigation .This isnt complicated.

4: So wait, in a forum for discussing lolcows you are mad .. .about me discussing a lolcows potential mental state now.

Seethe harder phew
 
I'll be very surprised if Chis isnt permanently institutionalized.

As of right now, Heilberg is pushing that Chris is "legally disabled with mental health issues"

Can't blame the lawyer for going with the tried and true "don't believe everything you read online" defense, but most of the dirt on Chris he filmed in real time.
 
1: Gendered phrasing in the law is a product of the time it was created,. Can you think of a single example of a judge allowing a crime to go unpunished due to said gendered phrasing ?

Criminal code of Virginia : B. Any (((((person))))) who engages in sexual intercourse with his daughter or granddaughter, son or grandson, or father or ((((mother))))) is guilty of a Class 5 felony.

Clearly illegal



2: its fucking unreal how stupid you are lol

Plausible : : superficially fair, reasonable, or valuable

: appearing worthy of belief

So you are saying evidence worthy of belief isnt evidence ? Are you a fucking retard ?

3: Thats not how the argument progressed


- They arrested chris and therefore that proves they found physical evidence on barb- You
- It really doesnt , particularly considering they arrested him shortly after null reported he violated EPO, -me
- BUT HIS CHARGES DONT SAY EPO and there was 2.5 days to examine - You
- Rape kit takes atleast a week and thats assuming barb was competent to consent and consented. Also i didnt say he was charged with violating epo -me
- THEN THEY FOUND PHYSICAL EVIDENCE ON EXAMINATION OF SEX -You
- Gynos are not able to determine if someone simply had sex , here is source - Me
- Ok, so Chris was charged with EPO violation? -you
- No, they moved to arrest and charge with incest partially because of EPO violation -me

Im not going through fixing the rest of your bullshit to match reality; as it breaks down into utter nonsense that was never once claimed after that. They didnt remove him " to determine if he did it ". They removed him because there was a safety concern for a potential victim. That is addressed by serving an EPO . They didnt feel need to charge him yet and simply continued their investigation .This isnt complicated.

4: So wait, in a forum for discussing lolcows you are mad .. .about me discussing a lolcows potential mental state now.

Seethe harder phew
That’s all good and well but did Chris bludgeon Barb’s flaps? Did Barb and Chris engage in gland-to-gland combat? Did he jam the clam? Patch the hatchet wound? Did he put ranch dressing in the Hidden Valley? Thrash Barb’s gash?

Asking for a friend.
 
That’s all good and well but did Chris bludgeon Barb’s flaps? Did Barb and Chris engage in gland-to-gland combat? Did he jam the clam? Patch the hatchet wound? Did he put ranch dressing in the Hidden Valley? Thrash Barb’s gash?

Asking for a friend.
Gushing granny 3: Bobs cuckening
 

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That’s all good and well but did Chris bludgeon Barb’s flaps? Did Barb and Chris engage in gland-to-gland combat? Did he jam the clam? Patch the hatchet wound? Did he put ranch dressing in the Hidden Valley? Thrash Barb’s gash?

Asking for a friend.
He was without fail coated in the snail trail of that delectable frail mademoiselle

I do know he munched her out. Eating some good ol' Chandler family hillbilly Hákarl
 
1: Gendered phrasing in the law is a product of the time it was created,. Can you think of a single example of a judge allowing a crime to go unpunished due to said gendered phrasing ?

Criminal code of Virginia : B. Any (((((person))))) who engages in sexual intercourse with his daughter or granddaughter, son or grandson, or father or ((((mother))))) is guilty of a Class 5 felony.

Clearly illegal



2: its fucking unreal how stupid you are lol

Plausible : : superficially fair, reasonable, or valuable

: appearing worthy of belief

So you are saying evidence worthy of belief isnt evidence ? Are you a fucking retard ?

3: Thats not how the argument progressed


- They arrested chris and therefore that proves they found physical evidence on barb- You
- It really doesnt , particularly considering they arrested him shortly after null reported he violated EPO, -me
- BUT HIS CHARGES DONT SAY EPO and there was 2.5 days to examine - You
- Rape kit takes atleast a week and thats assuming barb was competent to consent and consented. Also i didnt say he was charged with violating epo -me
- THEN THEY FOUND PHYSICAL EVIDENCE ON EXAMINATION OF SEX -You
- Gynos are not able to determine if someone simply had sex , here is source - Me
- Ok, so Chris was charged with EPO violation? -you
- No, they moved to arrest and charge with incest partially because of EPO violation -me

Im not going through fixing the rest of your bullshit to match reality; as it breaks down into utter nonsense that was never once claimed after that. They didnt remove him " to determine if he did it ". They removed him because there was a safety concern for a potential victim. That is addressed by serving an EPO . They didnt feel need to charge him yet and simply continued their investigation .This isnt complicated.

4: So wait, in a forum for discussing lolcows you are mad .. .about me discussing a lolcows potential mental state now.

Seethe harder phew
It's pointless trying to make a meaningful, intelligent, or otherwise cogent argument. This is, after all, a forum filled with people with nothing better to do than sperg about ChrisChan.

We may never know the actual absolute timeline but I believe you are correct.
  1. Incest reported
  2. protective order to protect victim while incest investigated
  3. arrest for breaking the protective order (they were looking for a reason)
  4. Chris is in jail while more evidence is compiled <---you are here
  5. ...
  6. profit
 
I'll be very surprised if Chis isnt permanently institutionalized.

As of right now, Heilberg is pushing that Chris is "legally disabled with mental health issues"


If Heilberg can make this stick, which is extremely likely considering Chris' reaction at his bond hearing on top of years of well documented erratic behavior, I don’t see how any judge would think Chris would be able to handle himself in general population.

Heilberg is also leaning on the retarded 'the internet is a big ol' meanie' defense as well. (Also in link)

If he pushes this, it won't go well for Chris' either. It's just more evidence that Chris is too easily influenced and he would be an easy target in general population.

Ive said this numerous times and I'll stick with it;

Chris is a double hit. He's autistic with severe paraphilic behavioral patterns who's also a complete psychopath.

He wont survive general population. That means isolation.

Isolation is no longer applicable since organizations from trans rights to the ACLU are fighting to keep trans prisoners out of isolation.

In closing, if Chris is institutionalized, there is no 'after prison'. He's there for life as he will continue to slip into his fantasies.

TL;DR: institutionalized is Chris' future.
Insanity is extremely hard to get, but in this case yeah I think it's a real possibility. I don't see how anyone could follow this saga and think he's completely sentient. He's made the exact same mistakes over and over again. He has a long history of talking to fictional characters like they're real. He has a long history of lashing out when he doesn't get his way. He's self mutilated because he thinks he's a woman, etc.

Going to the nuthouse wouldn't be any better either. It's a little bit more relaxed but its basically the exact same thing as prison, and unlike prison, they can keep you as long as they feel like they need to. There's still strict rules about conduct regarding stuff like sleep times, dress code, and how to treat your fellow nuts. We all know how Chris deals with authority so it likely wouldn't end well. At least in the nuthouse he'd just get a tranquilizer shot to the neck instead of a beating like in prison though.
 
Insanity is extremely hard to get, but in this case yeah I think it's a real possibility. I don't see how anyone could follow this saga and think he's completely sentient. He's made the exact same mistakes over and over again. He has a long history of talking to fictional characters like they're real. He has a long history of lashing out when he doesn't get his way. He's self mutilated because he thinks he's a woman, etc.

Going to the nuthouse wouldn't be any better either. It's a little bit more relaxed but its basically the exact same thing as prison, and unlike prison, they can keep you as long as they feel like they need to. There's still strict rules about conduct regarding stuff like sleep times, dress code, and how to treat your fellow nuts. We all know how Chris deals with authority so it likely wouldn't end well. At least in the nuthouse he'd just get a tranquilizer shot to the neck instead of a beating like in prison though.
very hard to make insanity work. People tend to think insanity defence is a catchall argument for delusional people. The reality is that insanity really requires someone to no longer in any way be connected to reality. Essentially jibbering their lips nuts. Chris is a retard with multiple other mental illnesses ( likely ) and some delusions. But he isnt insane .

His other issues and host of problems would come into sentencing and "might " sway the prosecutors approach in charging him alongside what plea deal they would come to . It doesnt however make him no longer guiilty of what crimes he committed.
 
Gendered phrasing in the law is a product of the time it was created,. Can you think of a single example of a judge allowing a crime to go unpunished due to said gendered phrasing ?

Criminal code of Virginia : B. Any (((((person))))) who engages in sexual intercourse with his daughter or granddaughter, son or grandson, or father or ((((mother))))) is guilty of a Class 5 felony.
Missed my point completely, but I am not surprised.

Im not going through fixing the rest of your bullshit to match reality;
Because you know you can't. Chris was clearly arrested because they've found something, since Null reported him more than a day before he got arrested. That EPO violation clearly wasn't enough. Why can't you just admit to being wrong?

about me discussing a lolcows potential mental state now
Well, considering you expertise in everything else, you better be quiet.
 
How it turns out for Chris can go in 2 different directions:

1. The “Good Ending” (Don’t get your hopes up folks, there’s a 1% Chance this’ll actually happen.)
Chris, via long, cold, hard prison time Learns his lesson and by the time he gets out, begins to seek ways to finally move on and be a respectable member of society, it’ll be 22-31 Years late but still done.

2. The “Bad Ending” (99% Chance this is gonna happen, let’s be honest here.)
Chris’s time in Prison will delude him more as he dives more into his fantasies than he already has, he will believe the merge is complete and that all his favorite characters are in the cell with him, He would most likely serve half a year before being thrown into a mental institution for god knows how long.
 
Chris will either end up homeless, or (most likely in my experience based off of my field of work) end up in a run down board-and-care facility that will make money off of him through Medicaid or whatever other government run entity he’s enrolled through. Everything I’ve seen in Chris’ life tells me that he’s one of those people that just kinda floats through life with a roof over his head due to the graces of other people, just kinda skirting that line between straight up homelessness and quasi-independence

I doubt Chris is gonna be seen as legally insane, but he might end up being considered “gravely disabled” and end up with a social worker that’ll point him in the direction of certain services
 
Insanity is extremely hard to get, but in this case yeah I think it's a real possibility. I don't see how anyone could follow this saga and think he's completely sentient. He's made the exact same mistakes over and over again. He has a long history of talking to fictional characters like they're real. He has a long history of lashing out when he doesn't get his way. He's self mutilated because he thinks he's a woman, etc.

Going to the nuthouse wouldn't be any better either. It's a little bit more relaxed but its basically the exact same thing as prison, and unlike prison, they can keep you as long as they feel like they need to. There's still strict rules about conduct regarding stuff like sleep times, dress code, and how to treat your fellow nuts. We all know how Chris deals with authority so it likely wouldn't end well. At least in the nuthouse he'd just get a tranquilizer shot to the neck instead of a beating like in prison though.
I have no idea what to make of Chris. He's punching holes in the wall to let Sonchu in but other times he does seem grounded to reality. In a recent vid, he said Sonichu would need CGI in a video which implies to me he knows Sonichu is not real (why else use CGI?)
 
I have no idea what to make of Chris. He's punching holes in the wall to let Sonchu in but other times he does seem grounded to reality. In a recent vid, he said Sonichu would need CGI in a video which implies to me he knows Sonichu is not real (why else use CGI?)
Because the merge hasn't stabilized and photons from our dimension could not yet interact with Sonichu, and thus he would not show up on the camera's image sensor. He is only visible to Chris because Chris has been to both dimensions and can thus his eyes exist in both dimensions and can see the C-197 photons from Sonichu, which can only be observed as tachyons in our dimension.
 
I'm personally leaning toward Chris getting offloaded into a flop house as a ward of the state with a social worker.

He's not nutty enough for actual institutionalisation even with his severe fantasies. Most likely he will post prison be put on a regime of meds to help treat what ever issues he has been evaluated for. This might allow a return for at least a cogent Chris. (I don't think they'll touch the gender dysphoria thing because it's not in vogue, so that is up to Chris.)

As for future hi-jinks it depends on Chris himself. Otherwise he will just become a forgotten member of society, on state dependence, living in a small room on whatever is left of what doesn't go into caring for Barb until the end, surrounded by his toys.

Best case scenario really.

Him going to a mental home? Well insanity might seem like a great plea, until you realise that insanity is essentially a life sentence in a place where your rights even as prisoner evaporate very quickly. Don't want shock treatment, doesn't matter, don't want meds, doesn't matter. It might seem like a nicer choice, but there is a likelihood if he gets thrown in one he will never get out again.
 
Insanity is extremely hard to get, but in this case yeah I think it's a real possibility. I don't see how anyone could follow this saga and think he's completely sentient. He's made the exact same mistakes over and over again. He has a long history of talking to fictional characters like they're real. He has a long history of lashing out when he doesn't get his way. He's self mutilated because he thinks he's a woman, etc.
It doesn't matter how detached from reality you are. If the jury is sufficiently angered by the defendant's crimes, they will convict even if the defendant is a gibbering basketcase. Consider the case of Albert Fish.
Albert Fish's trial for the murder of Grace Budd began on March 11, 1935, in White Plains, New York. Frederick P. Close presided as judge and Westchester County Chief Assistant District Attorney Elbert F. Gallagher was prosecuting attorney. Fish's defense counsel was James Dempsey, a former prosecutor and the one-time mayor of Peekskill, New York. The trial lasted for 10 days. Fish pleaded insanity, and claimed to have heard voices from God telling him to kill children. Several psychiatrists testified about Fish's sexual fetishes, which included sadism, masochism, flagellation, exhibitionism, voyeurism, piquerism, cannibalism, coprophagia, urophilia, hematolagnia, pedophilia, necrophilia, and infibulation. Dempsey in his summation noted that Fish was a "psychiatric phenomenon" and that nowhere in legal or medical records was there another individual who possessed so many sexual abnormalities.[9]

The defense's chief expert witness was Fredric Wertham, a psychiatrist with an emphasis on child development who conducted psychiatric examinations for the New York criminal courts. During two days of testimony, Wertham explained Fish's obsession with religion and specifically his preoccupation with the biblical story of Abraham and Isaac (Genesis 22:1–24). Wertham said that Fish believed that similarly "sacrificing" a boy would be penance for his own sins and that even if the act itself was wrong, angels would prevent it if God did not approve. Fish attempted the sacrifice once before but was thwarted when a car drove past. Edward Budd was the next intended victim, but he turned out to be larger than expected so he settled on Grace. Although he knew Grace was female, it is believed that Fish perceived her as a boy.[9] Wertham then detailed Fish's cannibalism, which in his mind he associated with communion. The last question Dempsey asked Wertham was 15,000 words long, detailed Fish's life and ended with asking how the doctor considered his mental condition based on this life. Wertham simply answered "He is insane."[9] Gallagher cross-examined Wertham on whether Fish knew the difference between right and wrong. He responded that he did know but that it was a perverted knowledge based on his opinions of sin, atonement, and religion and thus was an "insane knowledge".[9] The defense called two more psychiatrists to support Wertham's findings.[38]

The first of four rebuttal witnesses was Menas Gregory, the former manager of the Bellevue psychiatric hospital, where Fish was treated during 1930. He testified that Fish was abnormal but sane. Under cross examination, Dempsey asked if coprophilia, urophilia, and pedophilia indicated a sane or insane person. Gregory replied that such a person was not "mentally sick" and that these were common perversions that were "socially perfectly alright" and that Fish was "no different from millions of other people", some very prominent and successful, who suffered from the "very same" perversions. The next witness was the resident physician at The Tombs, Perry Lichtenstein. Dempsey objected to a doctor with no training in psychiatry testifying on the issue of sanity, but Justice Close overruled on the basis that the jury could decide what weight to give a prison doctor. When asked whether Fish's causing himself pain indicated a mental condition, Lichtenstein replied, "That is not masochism", as he was only "punishing himself to get sexual gratification". The next witness, Charles Lambert, testified that coprophilia was a common practice and that religious cannibalism may be psychopathic but "was a matter of taste" and not evidence of a psychosis. The last witness, James Vavasour, repeated Lambert's opinion.[9] Another defense witness was Mary Nicholas, Fish's 17-year-old stepdaughter. She described how Fish taught her and her brothers and sisters several games involving overtones of masochism and child molestation.[10]

None of the jurors doubted that Fish was insane, but ultimately, as one later explained, they felt he should be executed anyway.[9][39] They found him to be sane and guilty, and the judge ordered the death sentence. Fish arrived at prison in March 1935, and was executed on January 16, 1936 in the electric chair at Sing Sing. He entered the chamber at 11:06 p.m. and was pronounced dead three minutes later.[4] He was buried in the Sing Sing Prison Cemetery. Fish is said to have helped the executioner position the electrodes on his body. His last words were reportedly, "I don't even know why I'm here."[21] According to one witness present, it took two jolts before Fish died, creating the rumor that the apparatus was short-circuited by the needles that Fish inserted into his body.[33] These rumors were later regarded as untrue, as Fish reportedly died in the same fashion and time frame as others in the electric chair.[21]

At a meeting with reporters after the execution, Fish's lawyer James Dempsey revealed that he was in possession of his client's "final statement". This amounted to several pages of hand-written notes that Fish apparently penned in the hours just prior to his death. When pressed by the assembled journalists to reveal the document's contents, Dempsey refused, stating, "I will never show it to anyone. It was the most filthy string of obscenities that I have ever read."
 
Missed my point completely, but I am not surprised.


Because you know you can't. Chris was clearly arrested because they've found something, since Null reported him more than a day before he got arrested. That EPO violation clearly wasn't enough. Why can't you just admit to being wrong?


Well, considering you expertise in everything else, you better be quiet.
1: pointless denial

2: You havent remotely demonstrated that. You claimed that him getting arrested meant they found physical evidence on barb. Thats entirely conjecture and as i pointed out they didnt need examination evidence to charge him , let alone that specific evidence. You made two errors in deduction and then tried to gloss them over.

3: You mean when i actually source what I say , versus you making ridiculous assumptions and denying all actual fact based evidence that flies back on you ? lol

stay mad .
 
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