Life after prison - What happens if Chris is One Day released from prison

[UCantCCPMe]

I couldn't begin to guess how Chris will make it should he be released, there's a lot of factors that come into play such as whether or not he's out on parole or placed in a halfway house but there are a few facts that can be considered.

-Chris will no longer have his mother to sponge off of, meaning he's truly on his own.

-Chris will still be an autist with immature magical thinking.

-Chris will most likely be required to register as a sex offender, limiting any employment and housing prospects, depending on the applicable laws in Virginia.

-Chris will have a felony on his record, further limiting his employment prospects.

-Chris will likely still be qualified to receive SSI benefits, however, considering his spending habits and the current economy, that tugboat isn't gonna pull as far as it used to.

-Chris has a higher than average chance of ending up back in prison due to his poor impulse control and lack of forethought.

 

[Ophelia]

-Chris will most likely be required to register as a sex offender, limiting any employment and housing prospects, depending on the applicable laws in Virginia.

Not necessarily. Sperg covered this in the FAQ.

-Chris will have a felony on his record, further limiting his employment prospects.

Has he been officially charged with one?

-Chris will likely still be qualified to receive SSI benefits, however, considering his spending habits and the current economy, that tugboat isn't gonna pull as far as it used to.

He might have to reapply. I don’t remember if the question was resolved.

-Chris has a higher than average chance of ending up back in prison due to his poor impulse control and lack of forethought.

I’d put money on him returning to jail for the fourth time. I don’t know if he’ll ever go to prison, though.

 

[FinnSven]

He might have to reapply. I don’t remember if the question was resolved.


I’d put money on him returning to jail for the fourth time. I don’t know if he’ll ever go to prison, though.

To my recollection, the tugboat just needs to be turned back on with a form stating Chris’s release date.

I also doubt he will end up in prison due to him being too much in costs for keeping him in prison.
I have no idea if this would be a concern, but to my speculation, the authorities there must be aware that he has a certain degree of celebrity.

As such if he went to a normal prison and ended up being killed or seriously injured, a bunch of autists with little better to do might start asking questions and making noise they would rather do without.

I know there are a lot of people saying Chris can adapt, etc, but I doubt he will be able to quick enough, and even in a run of the mill prison for moderate offenders there will be violent and intolerant people who will have no idea how to handle Chris without becoming violent with him.

Ok, straight up murder of Chris probably won’t happen, but fights and beatings go wrong.

In the long run, finding somewhere to put him to be watched and quietly forgotten about by the outside world is a better option.

 

[glass_houses]

At this stage, I think the chances of Chris being committed to one of the very few remaining mental institutions are pretty decent. Even if they release him to a group home the chances are very high people will continue to fuck with him. Many others with mental illness are easy to abandon to the streets; there's no record of them and they have no public interest attached. Easy to forget and cremate the unclaimed corpse. They let Chris out, everyone will know and when he does eventually hurt someone again, there's no real way for the legal system to wiggle out of receiving blame for it.

No one wants him. They just want to put him away somewhere and forget about him.

 

[UCantCCPMe]

Has he been officially charged with one?

While I'm not sure exactly what Chris' charges currently are or will be by the time he faces trial, he is currently being held in custody until his court date; something typically not done for a non-violent misdemeanor. I can't imagine them holding him in jail for the petty larceny or PPO violation, but what do I know, I'm not a legalfag.

To my recollection, the tugboat just needs to be turned back on with a form stating Chris’s release date.

I also doubt he will end up in prison due to him being too much in costs for keeping him in prison.
I have no idea if this would be a concern, but to my speculation, the authorities there must be aware that he has a certain degree of celebrity.

As such if he went to a normal prison and ended up being killed or seriously injured, a bunch of autists with little better to do might start asking questions and making noise they would rather do without.

I know there are a lot of people saying Chris can adapt, etc, but I doubt he will be able to quick enough, and even in a run of the mill prison for moderate offenders there will be violent and intolerant people who will have no idea how to handle Chris without becoming violent with him.

Ok, straight up murder of Chris probably won’t happen, but fights and beatings go wrong.

In the long run, finding somewhere to put him to be watched and quietly forgotten about by the outside world is a better option.

If he did end up in big boy prison, Chris would most likely be confined to PC (protective custody) along with all the kiddie diddlers and other non-violent offenders that would be looking at a good stomping and stabbing should they be put in gen pop.

 

[FinnSven]

If he did end up in big boy prison, Chris would most likely be confined to PC (protective custody) along with all the kiddie diddlers and other non-violent offenders that would be looking at a good stomping and stabbing should they be put in gen pop.

Maybe, but even there he would stand a chance of upsetting someone else.
Just because someone is classed a non violent offender doesn’t mean they are not capable of violence.
Perhaps less inclined to violence, but it’s one thing dealing with some nonces and scared out of their depth white collar criminals trying to keep their heads down, and quite another dealing with a nut job who claims to be Jesus or any number of creatures.

Protective doesn’t mean they are constantly in personal isolation, they still eat and rec time with the other protected.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Being realistic for a second it is genuinely hard to think of a good spot to place Chris. He's not really neurotypical enough for prison, no matter how shitty his actions, but he's also not an empty-headed idiot that would actually benefit from a group home. I'm sure the court would have been more than happy to let him off with a misdemeanor, but that's no longer an option and they have to think of something else.

Honestly, I think Chris actually is at the point he needs a group home. As long as he's supervised he's not a problem and largely can keep to himself. At the same time, when things do go wrong and he decides on an absolutely stupid course of action, his mental state makes him a threat because he doesn't have any psychological inhibitions and the only thing that can keep him in line is external punishment from another party.

But it's the fact Chris could fly off the rails at any provocation (the macing incident was the result of Chris getting all riled up over Sonic's redesign having blue arms, combined with the fact Chris really wanted to experience being a 'strong woman' and use mace against somebody, and in desperation for the latter used it against somebody who video evidence clearly showed was moving away from him at the time) and raped his own mother that ensures whatever happens, he can not be unsupervised ever again. It would be fortunate since beyond the times Chris has 'episodes', he could easily be handled as, like it's been said on this website numerous times, somebody else being the one to do all the adulting for Chris is ultimately what Chris wants, so he can just be an eternal child playing make believe hedgehog pokemon.

 

[Jon Osterman]

While I'm not sure exactly what Chris' charges currently are or will be by the time he faces trial, he is currently being held in custody until his court date; something typically not done for a non-violent misdemeanor. I can't imagine them holding him in jail for the petty larceny or PPO violation, but what do I know, I'm not a legalfag.

Chris didn't get released because the prosecution argued he'd be a threat to both himself and Barb if released, and Chris was too busy whining about not having his toys to make a counterargument.

Honestly, I think Chris actually is at the point he needs a group home. As long as he's supervised he's not a problem and largely can keep to himself. At the same time, when things do go wrong and he decides on an absolutely stupid course of action, his mental state makes him a threat because he doesn't have any psychological inhibitions and the only thing that can keep him in line is external punishment from another party.

I'm sure keeping him in a group home will prevent him from doing many more stupid illegal things, but I was mainly talking about if he would benefit from the experience. The point of sending Chris to a home was so that he can be rehabilitated enough to function on his own after a year or so, and I don't see that happening.

 

[AnOminous]

-Chris will most likely be required to register as a sex offender, limiting any employment and housing prospects, depending on the applicable laws in Virginia.

The only offense he's charged with doesn't require s.o.r.

 

[Spooky Cloud Strife]

You're forgetting Slaanesh, the god of hedonism and excess. He might be grimy, but his MO has always been short term indulgence.

Being realistic for a second it is genuinely hard to think of a good spot to place Chris. He's not really neurotypical enough for prison, no matter how shitty his actions, but he's also not an empty-headed idiot that would actually benefit from a group home. I'm sure the court would have been more than happy to let him off with a misdemeanor, but that's no longer an option and they have to think of something else.

Good that I enter in the Warhammer lore recently, I can´t believe I encountered a reference in a Chris Chan thread

-Chris has a higher than average chance of ending up back in prison due to his poor impulse control and lack of forethought.

He belongs there, honestly nobody´s gonna miss him, in this jail saga, the trans community in twitter exiled him, everyone forget him for other lolcows, Praetor only leeches him for money with those disgusting drawings, so yeah, Chris should spend the rest of his life away from society, became a pathetic legend... is a good end for the signature pet lolcow who was active for decades

 

[CrazyRandomZyn]

Honestly, I think Chris actually is at the point he needs a group home. As long as he's supervised he's not a problem and largely can keep to himself. At the same time, when things do go wrong and he decides on an absolutely stupid course of action, his mental state makes him a threat because he doesn't have any psychological inhibitions and the only thing that can keep him in line is external punishment from another party.

But it's the fact Chris could fly off the rails at any provocation (the macing incident was the result of Chris getting all riled up over Sonic's redesign having blue arms, combined with the fact Chris really wanted to experience being a 'strong woman' and use mace against somebody, and in desperation for the latter used it against somebody who video evidence clearly showed was moving away from him at the time) and raped his own mother that ensures whatever happens, he can not be unsupervised ever again. It would be fortunate since beyond the times Chris has 'episodes', he could easily be handled as, like it's been said on this website numerous times, somebody else being the one to do all the adulting for Chris is ultimately what Chris wants, so he can just be an eternal child playing make believe hedgehog pokemon.

He's always wanted a fuckmommy so a permanent guardian/tard wrangler would be ideal....assuming Chris doesn't read on the legal documents that he's "socially retarded" or "incompetent"

 

[Optimus Prime]

I'm sure keeping him in a group home will prevent him from doing many more stupid illegal things, but I was mainly talking about if he would benefit from the experience. The point of sending Chris to a home was so that he can be rehabilitated enough to function on his own after a year or so, and I don't see that happening.

Maybe not a home but somewhere that handles low threat nutcases like Chris who don't need a minimum security lockup. And he's not going to have a caretaker visit him while he lives on his own in some shithole trailer park or whatever - Chris cannot be left alone in a room with anybody anymore.

He belongs there, honestly nobody´s gonna miss him, in this jail saga, the trans community in twitter exiled him, everyone forget him for other lolcows, Praetor only leeches him for money with those disgusting drawings, so yeah, Chris should spend the rest of his life away from society, became a pathetic legend... is a good end for the signature pet lolcow who was active for decades

Honestly, it's probably for the best. ESPECIALLY given his insane desire to have a religious following.

He's always wanted a fuckmommy so a permanent guardian/tard wrangler would be ideal....assuming Chris doesn't read on the legal documents that he's "socially retarded" or "incompetent"

That would imply Chris would even bother reading boring documentation in the first place when he signs.

 

[Ophelia]

I also doubt he will end up in prison due to him being too much in costs for keeping him in prison.

Yeah, it’s a very last resort because of the cost.

I have no idea if this would be a concern, but to my speculation, the authorities there must be aware that he has a certain degree of celebrity.

Not much of one. And he would be protected anyway. I know the possibility of violence still exists in PC, but it’s low enough that I wouldn’t worry about Chris.

At this stage, I think the chances of Chris being committed to one of the very few remaining mental institutions are pretty decent.

Why him and not all the homeless crazy people who actually need it? If there was room, Chris would not be high on the list. He’s way too competent.

Even if they release him to a group home the chances are very high people will continue to fuck with him.

Maybe, but he’ll be observed and managed.

Many others with mental illness are easy to abandon to the streets; there's no record of them and they have no public interest attached. Easy to forget and cremate the unclaimed corpse.

This could eventually happen to Chris.

They let Chris out, everyone will know and when he does eventually hurt someone again, there's no real way for the legal system to wiggle out of receiving blame for it.

“We can’t put him in jail, prison, or an institution without violating his rights.” Wiggle complete. We don’t do precrime in the US.

I see what you’re getting at, I just don’t think Chris has reached that point yet.

Chris didn't get released because the prosecution argued he'd be a threat to both himself and Barb if released, and Chris was too busy whining about not having his toys to make a counterargument.

And he had nowhere to go. They asked him where he would go and he said, “Back to 14blc where I live” iirc.

I'm sure keeping him in a group home will prevent him from doing many more stupid illegal things, but I was mainly talking about if he would benefit from the experience. The point of sending Chris to a home was so that he can be rehabilitated enough to function on his own after a year or so, and I don't see that happening.

That’s not necessarily the point. Some people in homes are lifers. People like Chris who cannot be trusted to take care of themselves but aren’t seriously mentally damaged enough for a hospital. And if he doesn’t follow the rules, he goes out on the street until he commits a crime and returns to jail.

 

[Jon Osterman]

That’s not necessarily the point. Some people in homes are lifers. People like Chris who cannot be trusted to take care of themselves but aren’t seriously mentally damaged enough for a hospital. And if he doesn’t follow the rules, he goes out on the street until he commits a crime and returns to jail.

If they planned to keep him in a home for life, then yeah it would be a great place because he's constantly monitored by people who know what they're doing. The problem is that they're not planning to do that, and are instead going to release him after a year or so. During that year they will attempt to rehabilitate him, but that won't work because Chris is too far gone, and he will exit the home having learned nothing.
If the court is smart enough they might catch this lack of improvement and keep him in the home, but I don't see them doing that because of how much they want to get rid of Chris.

 

[Optimus Prime]

If they planned to keep him in a home for life, then yeah it would be a great place because he's constantly monitored by people who know what they're doing. The problem is that they're not planning to do that, and are instead going to release him after a year or so. During that year they will attempt to rehabilitate him, but that won't work because Chris is too far gone, and he will exit the home having learned nothing.
If the court is smart enough they might catch this lack of improvement and keep him in the home, but I don't see them doing that because of how much they want to get rid of Chris.

How do we know they're going to release him? If I recall, Chris actually hasn't even been charged with anything, so at the end of the sentencing, the judge could easily just say "put him in a home for life" no? I have no experience with the law in this area so maybe that isn't a possibility, but I do think everyone involved would want to throw Chris into the equivalent of a hole where he'll no longer be the general public's problem.

 

[disavow]

If no one has ever painted a great unclean one to look like chris, it's a missed opportunity

@Great Unclean Chris

 

[Ophelia]

The problem is that they're not planning to do that, and are instead going to release him after a year or so.

The impression I got is a home is the actual end goal. Where else would he go? The year would be legal authorities keeping an eye on him, but at the end of that year it’s not like the home boots him simply because it’s been a year.

If the court is smart enough they might catch this lack of improvement and keep him in the home, but I don't see them doing that because of how much they want to get rid of Chris.

Keeping him in the home is getting rid of him. He gets to live more or less as a free man (no rights violated), but under supervision. Everybody wins.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

But it's the fact Chris could fly off the rails at any provocation (the macing incident was the result of Chris getting all riled up over Sonic's redesign having blue arms, combined with the fact Chris really wanted to experience being a 'strong woman' and use mace against somebody, and in desperation for the latter used it against somebody who video evidence clearly showed was moving away from him at the time) and raped his own mother that ensures whatever happens, he can not be unsupervised ever again. It would be fortunate since beyond the times Chris has 'episodes', he could easily be handled as, like it's been said on this website numerous times, somebody else being the one to do all the adulting for Chris is ultimately what Chris wants, so he can just be an eternal child playing make believe hedgehog pokemon.

I think a lot of people really do underestimate Chris when he chimps out like you said, but it seems to be a lot more insidious when you look closer at it. It's very random that Chris just goes ape shit because it's uncontrollable, instead, it's all centered around decisions Chris makes, and sometimes, ones where he's thought about it a long time.

The macing incident is one thing. People generally believe that Chris was doing something jackassed, got in an argument with a Game Stop employee and ended up pulling out his mace because of that. Instead, we saw Chris already primed and ready for a confrontation. I bet he had concocted some sort of pseudo-attack or revenge act for days if not weeks before that, and that was the day he decided to test it out, making sure to give himself the tiniest of margins to not be the outright aggressor, and immediately posting a completely bullshit "I was attacked and scared" excuse after he got out.

The same with the Barb breaking. He planned that for quite awhile and probably had been thinking about for years. Just waiting for the "right time" where Barb was in a state or he finally decided to.

So he definitely has a history of some really premeditated stuff with things like that. Then there's the other times where Chris just doesn't get his way by authority figures, and decides to fight because he's that upset that he's getting punished or getting bad news. His escapades with the police, going back to the Target hogtying incident, don't seem to be violent, since he tried to run away before being hogtied, which indicates he was fighting, all the way to the Western State Tard Wrangle where that nurse gave him bad news and he had to restrained by multiple large men.

That seems to be a lot of his cartoons having 100% good characters, and 100% evil characters that exist solely to randomly attack the heroes, and mix in a special boy status with his parents, and someone who doesn't want to grow up and be responsible, and you get Chris. Maybe they can train a lot of that out of him, but he's 40 now.

How do we know they're going to release him? If I recall, Chris actually hasn't even been charged with anything, so at the end of the sentencing, the judge could easily just say "put him in a home for life" no? I have no experience with the law in this area so maybe that isn't a possibility, but I do think everyone involved would want to throw Chris into the equivalent of a hole where he'll no longer be the general public's problem.

Hospital settings and group homes are pretty limited in who they have for long periods since it costs a lot of money and takes up a bed. That's generally why they cycle people in and out of there on a seemingly routine schedule. What Chris did, this time, is really heinous, and they have to make sure of Chris's danger level with people at large to let him out. I don't think Chris is a geezer pleaser, I think he's opportunist, where if he thinks he can satisfies his pleasure or anger by victimizing someone, he'll do it, and that's what they really need to treat or explore more in order to fix Chris.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

Maybe, but he’ll be observed and managed.

Depending on the home he will be a lot of them from what I have been looking at are warehouses and don't actively do anything to look after tards but the bear minimum required by law and even then not that if they can get away with it.

This could eventually happen to Chris.

Will happen to Chris, Barbs got her urn spot next to Bob but Chris's plans don't exist or will be long forgotten by the time that happens so it's a cheap cardboard box (pines to expensive these days) and a plot with little more than a name and a date on it or being cremated and the urn burred.

The impression I got is a home is the actual end goal. Where else would he go? The year would be legal authorities keeping an eye on him, but at the end of that year it’s not like the home boots him simply because it’s been a year.

They have to by law do something for him after release, but and this is the important thing it could be anything from putting him up in a hotel for the duration to setting him up with a social worker who'd navigate housing application an getting the tugboat turned back on, a home would be ideal but a lot of places can't handle him, don't want him and all his problems (felony and sexual misbehaviour are both no-no's) .

The macing incident is one thing. People generally believe that Chris was doing something jackassed, got in an argument with a Game Stop employee and ended up pulling out his mace because of that. Instead, we saw Chris already primed and ready for a confrontation. I bet he had concocted some sort of pseudo-attack or revenge act for days if not weeks before that, and that was the day he decided to test it out, making sure to give himself the tiniest of margins to not be the outright aggressor, and immediately posting a completely bullshit "I was attacked and scared" excuse after he got out.

The same with the Barb breaking. He planned that for quite awhile and probably had been thinking about for years. Just waiting for the "right time" where Barb was in a state or he finally decided to.

He was thinking about it for a while beforehand, he was very much the coward with a gun waiting for his bully to push him just that little more...

I'd honestly go so far to say Chris hasn't got the intellect to do anything spontaneously. He's got the natural fight or flight response sure but he lacks a lot of basic on the fly skills such as having a conversation or relaying a message that's just a little to long or he's gone off topic he has to stop try and rewind the old worn-out VHS casset that passes for his memory to get back onto the topic he had planned out, and in fluid conversation he has to take a few seconds pause to plan his next words not in a way you or I would like is we where in court or dealing with a used car salesman but because he can't reply fluidly and needs to plan even short sentences ahead to see if that would get the reaction he wants from the conversation.

He'd been in a similar situation with Snider when he got arrested for running him over, he didn't get any punishment for the first indecent and by this point really REALLY hated him so was fully OK with the likelihood of hitting him an by this point wanted an had threatened physical harm to befall snider, and running someone over is a common comedy trope in the media Chris consumed.

He'd threatened other places for banning him before the gamestop indecent and had wished serious threats to happen to specific people and shockingly he'd been doing that for years even trying to act tough with his fangs and ripping stuff apart in an attempt to intimidate people.

He'd been talking about sex with barb for years, defended incest and then fucked Barb, that he premeditated for weeks beforehand it wasn't just a sudden spare of the moment decision he'd made he consciously planned for with that book and the condoms - and STD test.

He'll he'd even been looking at incest Fan Fics.

Maybe they can train a lot of that out of him, but he's 40 now.

Nha he's well past being able to be trained now, if they got him before PVCC yea they likely could but the best you can do now is program him but he's not a reliable programee because the next person along will undo your work and get him to buy into things harder the more they enable him.

The only way to get him to stop doing something is to give him a instant punishment for a bad act give him no time to allow self justification to seep in, no way for him to weazel his way out of it no matter how dumb it may seem, picks his nose? get's hit over the head with a batton that plays the sonic ring sound every time it connects with him and remove some of love of Sonic through a Pavlovian response.

 

[Jon Osterman]

How do we know they're going to release him? If I recall, Chris actually hasn't even been charged with anything, so at the end of the sentencing, the judge could easily just say "put him in a home for life" no? I have no experience with the law in this area so maybe that isn't a possibility, but I do think everyone involved would want to throw Chris into the equivalent of a hole where he'll no longer be the general public's problem.

Involuntary commitment to a group home is only allowed if the person both has a mental illness, and said illness makes them a risk to themself or others if left to roam free. Chris of course has autism, and is risk to himself or others, but it's up in the air if the two are corelated. If he wasn't on the spectrum would he still be a threat, or did he bang Barb because he has autism?

The impression I got is a home is the actual end goal. Where else would he go? The year would be legal authorities keeping an eye on him, but at the end of that year it’s not like the home boots him simply because it’s been a year.

He could be appointed a conservator, which would probably be a better solution because he's still monitored and wouldn't be near other tards. I'm sure the home would love to get rid of him considering how he'd behave.

Keeping him in the home is getting rid of him. He gets to live more or less as a free man (no rights violated), but under supervision. Everybody wins.

It's keeping him out of the court system, but it's also sending him to permanently live in some unfortunate home. And considering that a bed has yet to be found for him, I doubt that any home wants to deal with him for even a single year, let alone for life.