Let’s Spork: Mushoku Tensei - “iT’s PeAk FiCtIoN”

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Kiwisee said:
but simply because I wasn’t sure what this world’s views on magic were. Back in my old world, for instance, witch hunts had been a thing—you know, where they’d burn suspected magicians alive for heresy.
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His parents own 3 books and this is one of them. And they don't hide the book. Why is he acting retarded?

Kiwisee said:
Oh, it’s not all that long ago. Humans and demons were still at
war with one another as recently as four hundred years ago
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Ah yeah fantasy time understanding, where a conflict over 400 years ago is still considered recent.
 
Kiwisee said:
If you thought it couldn’t get worse, it does. I’m not reposting it here because I do not want to incite the wrath of Dear Leader, and so I’ll be frank: it’s a graphic description of Roxy pleasuring herself while listening to Rudy’s parents fuck.
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Ohhh so it's the tutor who masturbates and not the maid like I thought. And she's apparently underaged to boot.

Now I wish it was the maid.

EDIT: Quickly looked it up, but apparently Roxy is in her 30s right now, she's just a petite woman. Still doesn't make it better that a tutor, who has been hired to teach a child and is living in the same house, is a voyeur.
 
One of the things I hate in isekai is that people somehow never seem to realize the hero is an incarnation/from another world unless it's completely rooted in their culture to the point of satire. Even our mundane world has stories of out of world characters, or more appropriately, changelings. A boy acting so weird would immediately be thought to be some demon that killed the original child and replaced it, which might very well be the case here if mc overrode the mind of the original fetus.
I needed to flex my talents now, before they set and became too rigid. Now was the time for me to make the most of things.
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This is absolutely retarded. He is just as likely to fucking himself over if overusing magic at a young age has devastating consequences. Like smoking cigarettes from the age of 2 ain't going to improve your lung capacity.
Paul was a good guy. It was obvious that I was the one who’d done this, but all he cared about was that I was all right. He went on his guard, carefully checking the surroundings.
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I wonder what the author's parents were like that this isn't the standard expected reaction.

About the RPG mechanics, I think this is the biggest sign of isekai being the complete opposite of "other world" genre. There is no exploration, the reader knows exactly what kind of world he is going to see. It runs counter to the whole point of the genre.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
A boy acting so weird would immediately be thought to be some demon that killed the original child and replaced it, which might very well be the case here if mc overrode the mind of the original fetus.
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You'll get your answer to this question much later.

One thing OP forgot to mention about Mushoku Tensei is how it's considered the "grandfather of modern isekai," setting the standard for the genre. Whether it actually deserves that title is another question, as it was inspired by other works such as Re:Zero around the time the web novel was released in 2012.

Several isekai tropes plaguing modern isekai can be attributed to MT, including but not limited to:
  • Getting hit by Truck-kun
  • Reincarnation, MC regretting their past life
  • OP protagonist (I'd argue Rudeus isn't one and an outlier in the avalanche of self-insert boring MCs found in isekais)
  • Races (elves, demons, dwarves, etc)
  • Slavery
  • Adventurers guilds, magic academies
  • RPG mechanics (not prevalent in MT besides Rudeus being an oppressed gamer for the first few chapters)
  • Magic, swordfighting, Gods, etc.
  • Character archetypes such as the magic loli, Roxy
  • Harem
 
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Two Hands said:
  • Races (elves, demons, dwarves, etc)
  • Slavery
  • Adventurers guilds, magic academies
  • RPG mechanics (not prevalent in MT besides Rudeus being an oppressed gamer for the first few chapters)
  • Magic, swordfighting, Gods, etc.
  • Character archetypes such as the magic loli, Roxy
  • Harem
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Most of those are just generic anime fantasy tropes. The RPG mechanics is the important part. When you look in past anime they never do this stats/level bullshit. But in isekai it's very prevalent because the fantasy is being inside a JRPG that the reader spent too much of his life playing.

They want to be able to say they are statistically better than others, rather than live in the normal world where nothing comes down to a simple stat check.

Also I want to add that it's funny how the author is peak incel with both hating the chads (bullies/brothers) while striving to be one (his father).
 
Two Hands said:
You'll get your answer to this question much later.

One thing OP forgot to mention about Mushoku Tensei is how it's considered the "grandfather of modern isekai," setting the standard for the genre. Whether it actually deserves that title is another question, as it was inspired by other works such as Re:Zero around the time the web novel was released in 2012.

Several isekai tropes plaguing modern isekai can be attributed to MT, including but not limited to:
  • Getting hit by Truck-kun
  • Reincarnation, MC regretting their past life
  • OP protagonist (I'd argue Rudeus isn't one and an outlier in the avalanche of self-insert boring MCs found in isekais)
  • Races (elves, demons, dwarves, etc)
  • Slavery
  • Adventurers guilds, magic academies
  • RPG mechanics (not prevalent in MT besides Rudeus being an oppressed gamer for the first few chapters)
  • Magic, swordfighting, Gods, etc.
  • Character archetypes such as the magic loli, Roxy
  • Harem
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Huh, Sword Art Online didn't come first? Keeping track of all this is difficult.
 
Was the Mushoku tensei anime somewhat more sane than the LN? I remember talking with one nerdette I knew many years ago about the merits/demerits of various anime.

She disliked Vinland Saga because of the boring-ass Farmland Saga arc but said that while not perfect Mushoku Tensei was a legit coming of age story.

I can't imagine she read the light novel because I cannot fathom how anyone could read this and walk away with anything but brain damage.
 
GloryToArztotska said:
Was the Mushoku tensei anime somewhat more sane than the LN? I remember talking with one nerdette I knew many years ago about the merits/demerits of various anime.

She disliked Vinland Saga because of the boring-ass Farmland Saga arc but said that while not perfect Mushoku Tensei was a legit coming of age story.

I can't imagine she read the light novel because I cannot fathom how anyone could read this and walk away with anything but brain damage.
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Anime adapts the LN with minimal changes up until S3 to, "be more acceptable to audiences." What you read is what you get.
 
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GloryToArztotska said:
She disliked Vinland Saga because of the boring-ass Farmland Saga arc but said that while not perfect Mushoku Tensei was a legit coming of age story.

I can't imagine she read the light novel because I cannot fathom how anyone could read this and walk away with anything but brain damage.
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I honestly wonder why she thinks that Mushoko Tensei is a legit coming of age story. Unlike Thorfin Rudy got away scott free by restarting his life where he will never met a person that genuine confronts him about his past.
And Farmland Saga may be boring, but it's still more engaging (and better written) than the first view chapters of Mushoko Tensei.
 
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GloryToArztotska said:
Was the Mushoku tensei anime somewhat more sane than the LN? I remember talking with one nerdette I knew many years ago about the merits/demerits of various anime.

She disliked Vinland Saga because of the boring-ass Farmland Saga arc but said that while not perfect Mushoku Tensei was a legit coming of age story.

I can't imagine she read the light novel because I cannot fathom how anyone could read this and walk away with anything but brain damage.
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That's the power of hype and good animation, will convince normies what they watch isn't crap.
 
GloryToArztotska said:
Was the Mushoku tensei anime somewhat more sane than the LN? I remember talking with one nerdette I knew many years ago about the merits/demerits of various anime.

She disliked Vinland Saga because of the boring-ass Farmland Saga arc but said that while not perfect Mushoku Tensei was a legit coming of age story.

I can't imagine she read the light novel because I cannot fathom how anyone could read this and walk away with anything but brain damage.
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It’s a very fatefull adaptation. Basically scene for scene. But I only watched season 1.

When you watch enough anime you get used to this kind of shit. But it’s definetly not a coming of age story. At it’s core it’s a classic adventure novel that later on blends in slice of life elements.

But the series was a hit in Japan and they played their hand perfectly in the west and spent no expense on the anime, they also dumped it during peak isekai and in the middle of lockdown season.
 
Toji Suzuhara said:
One of the things that I dislike the most about isekai is that they might as well just narrate the story within an actual fantasy setting rather than include an almost completely unrelated introduction before the actual plot even begins.
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This is an interesting take on isekai. I kind of thought the point of putting a regular chud in the driver seat was to make them relatable to the audience. I'm not the most familiar with this mushoku nigga, but I'm willing to bet he is nostalgic for rice/generic Japanese food lol.

Not just the food nostalgia, but generally isekai protagonists will share modern beliefs, morals, classic experiences like public school system. I assume that's all to make them an acceptable stand-in for modern readers. The same way that western protagonists are often intentionally boring or plain while side characters are interesting. Like Harry Potter. Nigga is almost characterless and even his parents don't like him. But chads Ron and Hermione by comparison are interesting.(Luke Skywalker to Han Solo, Morty Smith to Rick Sanchez for the chuds, Bella Swan to literally every other character in the book)
 
clara said:
This is an interesting take on isekai. I kind of thought the point of putting a regular chud in the driver seat was to make them relatable to the audience. I'm not the most familiar with this mushoku nigga, but I'm willing to bet he is nostalgic for rice/generic Japanese food lol.

Not just the food nostalgia, but generally isekai protagonists will share modern beliefs, morals, classic experiences like public school system. I assume that's all to make them an acceptable stand-in for modern readers. The same way that western protagonists are often intentionally boring or plain while side characters are interesting. Like Harry Potter. Nigga is almost characterless and even his parents don't like him. But chads Ron and Hermione by comparison are interesting.(Luke Skywalker to Han Solo, Morty Smith to Rick Sanchez for the chuds, Bella Swan to literally every other character in the book)
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Most of them do so, but in this case Rudeus isn't simply isekai'd into the fantasy world, he gets literally reincarnated as a baby. Of course he keeps some of the memories that he had back on earth (and IIRC he starts remembering more of his past life as the plot advances). Even then in most isekai the MC acts like a guy from the fantasy world that just so happened to have a past life back on earth, like with Rising of the Shield Hero, where the Naofumi (the MC) has come to accept that things like slavery are just a part of life there (and like half of his party members are demi-humans (basically humans but with some animal characteristics) that he bought off of the slave market)
 
GloryToArztotska said:
Huh, Sword Art Online didn't come first? Keeping track of all this is difficult.
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Wataru did all this beforehand, including climbing a tower and having a setting that was literally Dragon Quest. Wataru was popular enough in Asia to spur a bunch of clones like Granzort and NG Knight Lamune and RPG Densetsu Hepoi, which also have RPG mechanics and self-inserts and harems and fantasy settings, so most of these isekai tropes come from Wataru, not Sword Art Online or Mushoku Tensei or Dunbine.
 
clara said:
I'm not the most familiar with this mushoku nigga, but I'm willing to bet he is nostalgic for rice/generic Japanese food lol.
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He is not but there’s another character later down the line that is very nostalgic for Japan and wants to come back. But there’s a pretty humours episode where he encounters a Miso soup and labasts it, which later on escalates into a rebellion in a minor kingdom he must handle (yes, really)

clara said:
Not just the food nostalgia, but generally isekai protagonists will share modern beliefs, morals, classic experiences like public school system. I assume that's all to make them an acceptable stand-in for modern readers.
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Mushoku isn’t interested in that or really exploring it’s premise at all. If you haven’t gathered yet this story is primarily wish fulfilment similar to SAO. It has some very good moments sparsely distributed through (although you’ll have to wait with this read along) but don’t expect much.
 
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