Science Let's Declare a Pandemic Amnesty - [LOL] We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID.

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In April 2020, with nothing else to do, my family took an enormous number of hikes. We all wore cloth masks that I had made myself. We had a family hand signal, which the person in the front would use if someone was approaching on the trail and we needed to put on our masks. Once, when another child got too close to my then-4-year-old son on a bridge, he yelled at her “SOCIAL DISTANCING!”

These precautions were totally misguided. In April 2020, no one got the coronavirus from passing someone else hiking. Outdoor transmission was vanishingly rare. Our cloth masks made out of old bandanas wouldn’t have done anything, anyway. But the thing is: We didn’t know.

I have been reflecting on this lack of knowledge thanks to a class I’m co-teaching at Brown University on COVID. We’ve spent several lectures reliving the first year of the pandemic, discussing the many important choices we had to make under conditions of tremendous uncertainty.

Some of these choices turned out better than others. To take an example close to my own work, there is an emerging (if not universal) consensus that schools in the U.S. were closed for too long: The health risks of in-school spread were relatively low, whereas the costs to students’ well-being and educational progress were high. The latest figures on learning loss are alarming. But in spring and summer 2020, we had only glimmers of information. Reasonable people—people who cared about children and teachers—advocated on both sides of the reopening debate.

Another example: When the vaccines came out, we lacked definitive data on the relative efficacies of the Johnson & Johnson shot versus the mRNA options from Pfizer and Moderna. The mRNA vaccines have won out. But at the time, many people in public health were either neutral or expressed a J&J preference. This misstep wasn’t nefarious. It was the result of uncertainty.

Obviously some people intended to mislead and made wildly irresponsible claims. Remember when the public-health community had to spend a lot of time and resources urging Americans not to inject themselves with bleach? That was bad. Misinformation was, and remains, a huge problem. But most errors were made by people who were working in earnest for the good of society.

Given the amount of uncertainty, almost every position was taken on every topic. And on every topic, someone was eventually proved right, and someone else was proved wrong. In some instances, the right people were right for the wrong reasons. In other instances, they had a prescient understanding of the available information.

The people who got it right, for whatever reason, may want to gloat. Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. All of this gloating and defensiveness continues to gobble up a lot of social energy and to drive the culture wars, especially on the internet. These discussions are heated, unpleasant and, ultimately, unproductive. In the face of so much uncertainty, getting something right had a hefty element of luck. And, similarly, getting something wrong wasn’t a moral failing. Treating pandemic choices as a scorecard on which some people racked up more points than others is preventing us from moving forward.

We have to put these fights aside and declare a pandemic amnesty. We can leave out the willful purveyors of actual misinformation while forgiving the hard calls that people had no choice but to make with imperfect knowledge. Los Angeles County closed its beaches in summer 2020. Ex post facto, this makes no more sense than my family’s masked hiking trips. But we need to learn from our mistakes and then let them go. We need to forgive the attacks, too. Because I thought schools should reopen and argued that kids as a group were not at high risk, I was called a “teacher killer” and a “génocidaire.” It wasn’t pleasant, but feelings were high. And I certainly don’t need to dissect and rehash that time for the rest of my days.

Moving on is crucial now, because the pandemic created many problems that we still need to solve.

Student test scores have shown historic declines, more so in math than in reading, and more so for students who were disadvantaged at the start. We need to collect data, experiment, and invest. Is high-dosage tutoring more or less cost-effective than extended school years? Why have some states recovered faster than others? We should focus on questions like these, because answering them is how we will help our children recover.

Many people have neglected their health care over the past several years. Notably, routine vaccination rates for children (for measles, pertussis, etc.) are way down. Rather than debating the role that messaging about COVID vaccines had in this decline, we need to put all our energy into bringing these rates back up. Pediatricians and public-health officials will need to work together on community outreach, and politicians will need to consider school mandates.

The standard saying is that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. But dwelling on the mistakes of history can lead to a repetitive doom loop as well. Let’s acknowledge that we made complicated choices in the face of deep uncertainty, and then try to work together to build back and move forward.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/ (Archive)
 
This tells me that the WEF knows that they played their hand too early and fucked up. They were so hoping to use COVID to springboard their 2030 Initiative only to have it all fall on their face because they are retarded. They know that their puppets in the Democrat party are going to get royally fucked this midterm (assuming that they don't "fortify" the elections like they did last time) so they are trying to do everything they can to instill sympathy and lessen the blow with hopes to regain control of America in 2024. Reminder to people, remember what these evil fucks put you through and their goals if their plans came to fruition. Never forget and never forgive.
 
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why are all of you blaming other people

we let this happen by allowing those people power

I'm to blame, you are to blame, we did this

neurotic kindergarten teachers don't get control over an entire society unless we let them

we all need to repent
NO.

A THOUSAND TIMES NO!

EAT SHIT!

Go fuck yourself.

Go get the largest, spikiest, thoniest piece of cactus you can and cram it straight into your fucking barley hole, cunt.

I didn't LET THIS happen.

I fought it all the way. The WHOLE fucking way.

WE didn't do this. People like YOU did this. People who are now "Oh, we ALL need to repent"

Fuck you. FUck you and everyone like you.

People like you called the cops on me for doing wellness checks on my neighbors and bringing them food and supplies. People like you told me I didn't know what I was talking about when I stated that if a paper mask made you safe, it wasn't a real fucking world ending disease and more like a fucking cold. People like YOU, bitch, are now talking about all of us?

No. Fuck you and your ilk.

I don't need to repent for shit.

I went out and helped my fellow men while the ones asking for forgiveness or saying everyone needs to repent hid in their fucking houses and called the Gestapo on people like me.

I didn't sit in my house and buy Grub-Hub and Funco Pops then laugh as the same people who made sure they survived got fired by the companies rather than rewarded.

No.

Fuck you.

You, and all your ilk, you need to repent.

Because any chance I get, I'm going to make sure all of you fucking burn.

Even if it's just standing to the side and watching you die this time.

Take your "We all need to repent" and shove it straight in your flaccid blown out asshole, you disengenous cooze.

I will never forgive *you* for not standing up

I will never forgive myself
Oh, fuck you, whore.

I stood up, and people just like you, hell even YOU, tried to cut me off at the fucking knees.

I don't want your forgiveness. The only thing I want you on your knees for is to make it easier to shoot people like you in the back of the fucking head.

Just because you're a fucking moral coward doesn't mean I was or am.

So go back to your husband and tell him to beat you, then stay off the internet.
 
I will never forgive *you* for not standing up

I will never forgive myself
I missed out on the largest, by far, source of my annual income in 2021 rather than pretend to take the (((vaxx))), relentlessly challenged anyone in my life who became complacent about complying with "covid" bullshit, stopped patronizing any business that enforced mask or vax mandates, and even had a weapon pulled on me by public library security for not wearing a mask (the day before the mandate was repealed.)

What do suggest I was supposed to do to "stand up"? Attend some sort of glowing honeypot "protests"? Commit violence against the public officials ruining our livelihoods?

No amnesty, not ever. They tried to unperson anyone who didn't fall in line with their tyrannical bullshit, and they deserve the end that befalls all tyrants. Fuck them all.
 
Is that really the best picture they can find of him?
Well, that is a real thunkful now, isn't it? The question reminds me of a news story, I don't remember the story or I would find the screenshot myself, but the picture of the victim was shirtless. Someone tweeted asking if a half naked picture of the victim was respectful enough. The journalist - who was legitimately doing their best - said yes it was, the other pictures on the victim's social media would have made them look unsympathetic. I don't remember if the original person said to prove it, but the journalist did prove it and the other pictures were like gangsta culture, guns or raining cash or something.

But, that was a journalist restricted to social media photos the subject put online on their own based on the image they wanted to craft. The Floyd Riots were nationwide, people would have donated better pictures if they could.

I remember early in the saga his pastor came online to write about what a good guy Floyd was, and I thought he really sounded like a black Mike Lindell (this was around the part of the lockdowns where pillow merchant was getting shit on for being pro Trump and not personally crafting every mask his company donated, it was a topical comparison. Mike Lindell is the man George Floyd could have become if he'd kick the Fentanyl and gone all in on God).

Now, I'm a godless heathen, but my understanding of church is that it's more than a weekly adult lecture, it's a community that shares news and does events together. If Floyd is attending a church enough to have his pastor write about him, surely he's been to events and people in his congregation have pictures of him helping kids or feeding puppies or selling cakes or whatever it is churches do together?
 
First off, the second half of that post was in reply to a different user.
You said he was a part of "the problem".

Second, there is no putting vaccine issues aside.
Yes, there is. The vaccine issues aren't why you're irate. You're irate because public and private institutions leveraged everything they could in their insistence that you take it despite its problems, and presumably you're also irate because they constantly papered over those problems in order to legitimize the mandate. Your rant doesn't exist in a world where you were allowed an unforced choice to take this vaccine.

You're also overestimating the quality of the arguments and openly publicly available information against the vaccine. The sources for such were often so hyperbolic, underdeveloped, or even inaccurate enough I would wonder if they weren't plants meant to make the opposing viewpoint look illegitimate to the uninitiated. Normies weren't on KF's COVID megathread, by and large, and they weren't looking for it. This is along with the reality that getting the vaccine wasn't that much of a crapshoot-- people's hearts, left and right, weren't growing three sizes the day they took their second shot, or even their third.

Everyone who caved to peer pressure or mandates, no matter how reluctantly, gave legitimacy to the tyrants making life hell for the rest of us that were trying to preserve what little freedoms we were still afforded, or even just trying to hold on to our fucking livelihoods.
And their livelihoods?

This is the crux of my previous comment to you, but is something completely avoided in this response. What responsibility would you take for those who "joined" you? What responsibility could you take?

You weren't ever going to get a unified anything, certainly not across the nation, and certainly not in the Year of Our Lord 2021. There were going to be people that suffered alongside you in about the same way, but they'd be bringing their families along for the ride-- without their input. How would you even begin to manage their losses? What would you do for them? How would you even suggest they weather that hardship?

Do you think the average head of household even has the time to seriously contemplate concepts like "freedom" or "liberty", much less act on them? Concepts that are particularly abstract in this day and age, after generations of government encroachment partly due to the individual citizen being less capable or less willing to govern themselves?
 
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Oh, the old "I didn't know, I was just following orders".
No, you should face a Nürnberg style tribunal and probably the wall after that.
 
I missed out on the largest, by far, source of my annual income in 2021 rather than pretend to take the (((vaxx))), relentlessly challenged anyone in my life who became complacent about complying with "covid" bullshit, stopped patronizing any business that enforced mask or vax mandates, and even had a weapon pulled on me by public library security for not wearing a mask (the day before the mandate was repealed.)

What do suggest I was supposed to do to "stand up"? Attend some sort of glowing honeypot "protests"? Commit violence against the public officials ruining our livelihoods?

No amnesty, not ever. They tried to unperson anyone who didn't fall in line with their tyrannical bullshit, and they deserve the end that befalls all tyrants. Fuck them all.
you are a real man, thank you
 
You said he was a part of "the problem".


Yes, there is. The vaccine issues aren't why you're irate. You're irate because public and private institutions leveraged everything they could in their insistence that you take it despite its problems, and presumably you're also irate because they constantly papered over those problems in order to legitimize the mandate. Your rant doesn't exist in a world where you were allowed an unforced choice to take this vaccine.

You're also overestimating the quality of the arguments and openly publicly available information against the vaccine. The sources for such were often so hyperbolic, underdeveloped, or even inaccurate enough I would wonder if they weren't plants meant to make the opposing viewpoint look illegitimate to the uninitiated. Normies weren't on KF's COVID megathread, by and large, and they weren't looking for it. This is along with the reality that getting the vaccine wasn't that much of a crapshoot-- people's hearts, left and right, weren't growing three sizes the day they took their second shot, or even their third.


And their livelihoods?

This is the crux of my previous comment to you, but is something completely avoided in this response. What responsibility would you take for those who "joined" you? What responsibility could you take?

You weren't ever going to get a unified anything, certainly not across the nation, and certainly not in the Year of Our Lord 2021. There were going to be people that suffered alongside you in about the same way, but they'd be bringing their families along for the ride-- without their input. How would you even begin to manage their losses? What would you do for them? How would you even suggest they weather that hardship?

Do you think the average head of household even has the time to seriously contemplate concepts like "freedom" or "liberty", much less act on them? Concepts that are particularly abstract in this day and age, after generations of government encroachment partly due to the individual citizen being less capable or less willing to govern themselves?
Not to sound like Tim Pool, but the COVID shots were shit-tests. And these people failed them. No amount of excuses changes that they were complicit in the biggest psy-op and power-grab of this century.
 
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Remember when an animal shelter in Australia murdered all of its dogs, including ten puppies, so that people couldn't spread Chinese DeathAIDS by rehousing them?
These pieces of human refuse don't deserve to be forgiven. I personally had a loved one I wasn't allowed to see off before they died, pretty much everyone around me is worse off now than they were in 2019 because of the mass hysteria-infused measures imposed on us by our betters, and all this time anyone with an ounce of sense was belittled at best, were bashed by the cops like in Melbourne, or had their own government attempt to make them destitute like in Canada. No amount of "oops, we made a fucky wucky, sowwy ;)" will ever clean their hands of all the suffering and death they caused, especially because each and every single one of them were the ones screaming "racist" at people concerned about the footage coming out of China all the way up until early 2020 and were complicit in spreading the disease across the globe in the first place.
Yo you guys remember JUST THIS FUCKING YEAR where they hunted down and glow-op murdered a popular sunbathing boat walrus due to it possibly being "stressed" and then fucking proceeded to disembowel and liquify it into fucking gel in fucking lye because they were concerned it might have had COVID?
Fucking hell I will not forgive the shit world governments have used COVID to get away with these past few years.
 
you are a real man, thank you
It was possible because my life was structured such that I had the latitude to choose to pay, sometimes dearly, for my convictions. There are many others who may have been willing to make similar sacrifices but were unable, as a matter of survival.

The abject, and prolonged, failure of much of the pushback against the burgeoning "medical" tyranny does not diminish the fervent desire to break free from it that existed on the part of the oppressed. It did, however, reveal the will and structural advantage of an enemy that most, perhaps, were not aware that they had before their intentions were unmasked.

To make a somewhat stilted analogy, I was in a position where I could cut off my foot to escape the bear trap, others were put solidly inside of the cage; and, yes, there were those who meekly chose to stand inside of the velvet ropes and grumble about the view. Regarding the question of those who participated in our incarceration, it becomes our imperative to never forget who our jailers were, to never grant them any degree of amnesty.
 
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You didn't know? We tried to tell you the entire time. You faggots responded by setting up a subreddit where you laughed at people who died because they didn't conform. Take your amnesty and shove it up your ass, I hate you, I hate the police who acted like the fucking gestapo with sadistic glee during this whole thing, and I hate the governments that enforced this. I will never, ever, ever forget what you did to us.

If you really want forgiveness, then take fucking responsibility for what you've done. Everyone responsible for this disaster should be stripped of power. All journalists who pushed oppression onto the people should never work in the field again. Social media platforms should be punished for silencing dissenting opinions and they (along with ISPs) should be forced to be common carriers. Without accountability there is no moving forward past this, you have irrevocably fucked society.
 
"It's like poetry. It rhymes."

I wonder, are they posting such brazen opinions because they are historically illiterate, or is it because they are trying to avert repetition of history?
 

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I will never forgive *you* for not standing up

I will never forgive myself
Same, I went along with it too. I wore the mask and followed the rules. Not willingly or happily, but I obeyed.

Shameful.

For those of you who claim you would have resisted against Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia, if you wore the mask you know the truth about yourself now. Much to reflect on.
 
For those of you who claim you would have resisted against Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia, if you wore the mask you know the truth about yourself now. Much to reflect on.
Mild inconvenience over a dumb fucking useless dress code is nowhere near the level of shit as supporting gulags and camps where people got culled en masse, those two things aren't even remotely similar lmao.
 
I'm very pleased that we have a place for all of you to vent your grievances and self-therapy over this topic, because there's very few places you can do so openly, get it all out, and not have a little vinegar spilled in the discussion because libtards are incorrigible. No sarcasm, a little sympathy. Quarantine in the U.S. made me come out ahead, but I feel bad for all the folks that don't have it as easy.
 
Mild inconvenience over a dumb fucking useless dress code is nowhere near the level of shit as supporting gulags and camps where people got culled en masse, those two things aren't even remotely similar lmao.
Fuck you.

"Mild inconvenience"

Fines
Threats of jail time
Harassment by the cops
Loss of employment
Ostracism

LITERAL media and political support of camps for the unvaccinated or those who refused to wear a mask.

It may not have gotten to state supported gulags and concentration camps, but the desire was there. One look at Twitter, MSM, and FB showed that.

Yeah, don't act like it was a "mild inconvenience over a dumb fucking useless dress code", motherfucker.
 
Mild inconvenience over a dumb fucking useless dress code is nowhere near the level of shit as supporting gulags and camps where people got culled en masse, those two things aren't even remotely similar lmao.
You capitulated to the state when it was doing something you knew deep down was very wrong. What makes you think you'd find a red line beyond which you'd go no further? And what makes you think you'd have the strength to say "no" at the cost of your very life when the alternative is so much easier and safer?

Many people lived very comfortable lives in the USSR if they just cooperated and played the game, even under Stalin. And that was not just a "dress code", it fucked up a lot of children in particular and the rest of the COVID atrocities are far worse than that.

I know now that I would have gone along with it all just like all those Germans and Russians before me. For all my so-called intelligence and education I was just another Speer or Mikoyan. Troubling but at least I know my failings now and can learn for the future. I really think the authoritarian types bank on that, they can fool you once and if it works they win it all.
 
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