Science Let's Declare a Pandemic Amnesty - [LOL] We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID.

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In April 2020, with nothing else to do, my family took an enormous number of hikes. We all wore cloth masks that I had made myself. We had a family hand signal, which the person in the front would use if someone was approaching on the trail and we needed to put on our masks. Once, when another child got too close to my then-4-year-old son on a bridge, he yelled at her “SOCIAL DISTANCING!”

These precautions were totally misguided. In April 2020, no one got the coronavirus from passing someone else hiking. Outdoor transmission was vanishingly rare. Our cloth masks made out of old bandanas wouldn’t have done anything, anyway. But the thing is: We didn’t know.

I have been reflecting on this lack of knowledge thanks to a class I’m co-teaching at Brown University on COVID. We’ve spent several lectures reliving the first year of the pandemic, discussing the many important choices we had to make under conditions of tremendous uncertainty.

Some of these choices turned out better than others. To take an example close to my own work, there is an emerging (if not universal) consensus that schools in the U.S. were closed for too long: The health risks of in-school spread were relatively low, whereas the costs to students’ well-being and educational progress were high. The latest figures on learning loss are alarming. But in spring and summer 2020, we had only glimmers of information. Reasonable people—people who cared about children and teachers—advocated on both sides of the reopening debate.

Another example: When the vaccines came out, we lacked definitive data on the relative efficacies of the Johnson & Johnson shot versus the mRNA options from Pfizer and Moderna. The mRNA vaccines have won out. But at the time, many people in public health were either neutral or expressed a J&J preference. This misstep wasn’t nefarious. It was the result of uncertainty.

Obviously some people intended to mislead and made wildly irresponsible claims. Remember when the public-health community had to spend a lot of time and resources urging Americans not to inject themselves with bleach? That was bad. Misinformation was, and remains, a huge problem. But most errors were made by people who were working in earnest for the good of society.

Given the amount of uncertainty, almost every position was taken on every topic. And on every topic, someone was eventually proved right, and someone else was proved wrong. In some instances, the right people were right for the wrong reasons. In other instances, they had a prescient understanding of the available information.

The people who got it right, for whatever reason, may want to gloat. Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. All of this gloating and defensiveness continues to gobble up a lot of social energy and to drive the culture wars, especially on the internet. These discussions are heated, unpleasant and, ultimately, unproductive. In the face of so much uncertainty, getting something right had a hefty element of luck. And, similarly, getting something wrong wasn’t a moral failing. Treating pandemic choices as a scorecard on which some people racked up more points than others is preventing us from moving forward.

We have to put these fights aside and declare a pandemic amnesty. We can leave out the willful purveyors of actual misinformation while forgiving the hard calls that people had no choice but to make with imperfect knowledge. Los Angeles County closed its beaches in summer 2020. Ex post facto, this makes no more sense than my family’s masked hiking trips. But we need to learn from our mistakes and then let them go. We need to forgive the attacks, too. Because I thought schools should reopen and argued that kids as a group were not at high risk, I was called a “teacher killer” and a “génocidaire.” It wasn’t pleasant, but feelings were high. And I certainly don’t need to dissect and rehash that time for the rest of my days.

Moving on is crucial now, because the pandemic created many problems that we still need to solve.

Student test scores have shown historic declines, more so in math than in reading, and more so for students who were disadvantaged at the start. We need to collect data, experiment, and invest. Is high-dosage tutoring more or less cost-effective than extended school years? Why have some states recovered faster than others? We should focus on questions like these, because answering them is how we will help our children recover.

Many people have neglected their health care over the past several years. Notably, routine vaccination rates for children (for measles, pertussis, etc.) are way down. Rather than debating the role that messaging about COVID vaccines had in this decline, we need to put all our energy into bringing these rates back up. Pediatricians and public-health officials will need to work together on community outreach, and politicians will need to consider school mandates.

The standard saying is that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. But dwelling on the mistakes of history can lead to a repetitive doom loop as well. Let’s acknowledge that we made complicated choices in the face of deep uncertainty, and then try to work together to build back and move forward.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/ (Archive)
 
My sister and brother-in-law were insufferable covid assholes. My brother too but he had the decency to move away and not talk to me.

My brother in law on Facebook at one point said some stupid thing about the unvaccinated drinking their own piss. They withheld their kids from their grandpa. They told us they “have supportive people in their lives that are better then family”.

The leaf truckers and my wider family’s support for them appears to have driven my sister and brother over the edge. Not coincidentally they are the only government workers in the family.

My boomer aunties and uncles, and some based cousins stood their ground. Almost all of them lost jobs and businesses but they hunkered down and just said no. A few felt they had to get jabbed to feed their families but never pressured anyone else. I’ve never loved them more, and we all got a lot closer as we had to scramble to help everyone out. Their hatred for my sister and her husband is implacable. They will never be welcome. This is not how my family ever was previously.

My sister is trying this horseshit where she is pretending to give my dad a “second chance” to spend some time with her kids, and insisting the last few years were no big deal, but how do you repair that relationship? She is trying to imply that if dad apologizes she might forgive him, and I can’t believe this is who she became.

Seeing people’s true colours was both inspiring and depressing. So I just spend time with the awesome people I already knew, or the ones I met during this whole debacle.

Anyways you farmers also helped a lot of people stay sane and I will be fond of you all forever.
 
It probably isn't an intrinsically feminine thing, but I've gained the impression that women-- more often than men-- perform this strange displacement of blame, often doing so onto an abstract concept that can't be held accountable such as "white supremacy" or "toxic masculinity".

When those sorts of people hold people (rather than concepts) responsible, it's just "everybody's wrong" with perfunctory-at-best (and arguably incorrect) elaboration as to the wrong that was done in the first place. Such is the diffusion of blame. Mind you, it's not as if it's impossible for "everyone" to be at fault-- it's just that in this case, the charge is so poorly developed, seemingly as to avoid laying blame at all.
All you actually have to do to avoid blame in this scenario is admit that you deserve blame. If you know you are innocent, you are guilty because you won't admit it. That's what accountability means to them.

I have more respect for the CEOs of Tobacco companies than I do for journalists. Purely because there's a chance that their product might kill a journalist.
The tobacco companies have had to pay through the teeth with direct payments to me and mine in repentance. Same with the opioid companies, the lowest scum on earth. So what is Fauci going to do for me? Because that's the bare minimum required of them.
 
Compassion is the last refuge of the sociopath.

And he will abandon it the instant he gets so much as a sharpened stick within arms-reach.

Dark Triad types are incapable of feeling empathy, but they understand enough about how it works to manipulate people.

The only two ways to deal with such people is to either go no-contact, or to laugh at their suffering (either pretend or real) when they beg for sympathy/compassion. Either way, it's on them to unfuck themselves and learn how to properly human.
 
My sister and brother-in-law were insufferable covid assholes. My brother too but he had the decency to move away and not talk to me.

My brother in law on Facebook at one point said some stupid thing about the unvaccinated drinking their own piss. They withheld their kids from their grandpa. They told us they “have supportive people in their lives that are better then family”.

The leaf truckers and my wider family’s support for them appears to have driven my sister and brother over the edge. Not coincidentally they are the only government workers in the family.

My boomer aunties and uncles, and some based cousins stood their ground. Almost all of them lost jobs and businesses but they hunkered down and just said no. A few felt they had to get jabbed to feed their families but never pressured anyone else. I’ve never loved them more, and we all got a lot closer as we had to scramble to help everyone out. Their hatred for my sister and her husband is implacable. They will never be welcome. This is not how my family ever was previously.

My sister is trying this horseshit where she is pretending to give my dad a “second chance” to spend some time with her kids, and insisting the last few years were no big deal, but how do you repair that relationship? She is trying to imply that if dad apologizes she might forgive him, and I can’t believe this is who she became.

Seeing people’s true colours was both inspiring and depressing. So I just spend time with the awesome people I already knew, or the ones I met during this whole debacle.

Anyways you farmers also helped a lot of people stay sane and I will be fond of you all forever.
Those people always tended to be the biggest hypocrites. My sister in law fucking whined on Facebook constantly about people breaking the rules and how it was stopping her young daughter from being able to see friends by prolonging lockdowns but everyday was over at my mother in laws house because she couldn't stand being around her kids alone, stupid cunt. We cut her off to because of her shit
 
Do you think the average head of household even has the time to seriously contemplate concepts like "freedom" or "liberty", much less act on them? Concepts that are particularly abstract in this day and age, after generations of government encroachment partly due to the individual citizen being less capable or less willing to govern themselves?
If they don't, they don't deserve it. Live free or fucking die.
 
These cocksuckers called me a Nazi grandma killer for simply asserting my most fundamental civil rights and demanded I be forcibly detained in my home, lose my job, and be vaccinated against my will, but now I'm supposed to forgive and forget.
The schoolyard bully doesn't force your face into the dirt because he wants to "teach you how to be a man," he does it because he's a sadistic asshole who enjoys having power and control over others. These "people," as much as it twists my brain to call them that, are not the least bit different in that manner.
 
You're presuming that they wouldn't have done those things without coercion.
It doesn’t really matter. They did it, which allowed the coercion to have more legitimacy. When 70% of the population bends over, the government has a hell of an easier time stomping on the remaining 30%. Sure, the ones who immediately put on a soy-face and got vaxmaxxed so they could post on Reddit about it are more sheep-like, and didn’t need coercion, but that just gave the government more of a feeling that they could get away with vax mandates.
Anyone who knelt made it harder for those who didn’t. At great cost to too many people.
 
You know, for 2-3 years, I was told I was selfish, ignorant, crazy, a conspiracy theorist, a Nazi, uneducated, a liar, stupid, reckless, dumb, evil and deserved to die.

I've come to accept and love this horrible person I am and I intend fully to continue, nay, blossom into an even more horrible person.

May she die of suddenly, for many lifetimes.
 
Lady on Substack gives a thorough "fuck your amnesty".


We are still a long ways from a place where a COVID amnesty can be granted.

The political establishment—left and right—want desperately to move on, to pretend the last 30 months didn’t happen. With very few exceptions (Ron DeSantis, Kirsti Noem, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, Ron Johnson, and a few others, later), they betrayed their core values. Many Republicans and so-called Libertarians quickly capitulated the primacy and importance of individual liberties. Whereas supposedly equality-loving democrats embraced policies that in no uncertain terms screwed women, children and the poor. The 2020 democrat campaign slogan might as well have been “protect the rich, infect the poor.” Or “only the rich need to learn.” They’d all very much like that you forget about that. They’d like to go back to the fights they know how to fight, the golden oldies that turn the bases out, and turn us against each other. But COVID policies turned the whole thing on its side, jumbling us all up and causing all sort of hitherto unheard of alliances. And when your business is maintaining the status quo, that is very dangerous.


Which is why Emily Oster is pleading for an amnesty.


First, let’s be clear to whom Emily Oster is speaking. She’s speaking to the furious well-educated suburban women who are swinging towards Republicans in this cycle, even in the bluest of states. Because it was the bluest of states that were hit hardest by these policies. It was in blue states that the schools were closed longest, that the economic devastation was worst, that crime spiked the most, where masks were required longest. The damage done by these policies is at its beginning, not its end. Dr. Oster, would like these women to believe that it was all just a mistake, a mis-understanding, and remember that it is the Republicans who are looking to limit their freedoms. That while democrats had no problem sacrificing the well-being of your living children for three years in support political power, it is Republicans that pose a true threat to you as a woman.



The problem for Emily is that while the hardcore democrat base of women voters never questioned any of these policies, others did—and they incurred significant personal costs for doing so.

An embarrassing portion of well-educated women acted as the regime’s stormtroopers. They sicced social media mobs on any who dared to voice a question, much less dissent. The pain of having family, friends and neighbors turn on you for voicing an opinion or asking a legitimate question caused many women to seek out others with similar questions.

In so doing, we found a smart, snarky, data-driven community pushing back hard on the totalizing power of a government trying to re-define reality. In some cases women were the generals, in others we were the infantry, going forward and taking constant fire from above, so that some recently discredited truth might once again retake its rightful place in the sun of acceptable opinion.

Emily Oster would like us to forget that. But we can’t—and I hope we won’t—because we were there bringing the government’s own data to shine a light on the lies it so ceaselessly manufactured. These weren’t lies of omission, they were lies of commission. They were lies that were wrought by smelting the credibility of science and medicine in the fires of politics to create weapons wielded by the powerful against us. They literally called us terrorists for our opposition.

Now, after having been called terrorists by our governments for arguing for the well-being of our own children, Dr. Oster wants us to forget that. In asking us to forget, she beseeches those who strayed from the flock to return, to believe that it is not their shepherd who takes them to slaughter that would do them harm, but the wolf lurking unseen in the shadows of the wood. So now we must talk about abortion.

What democrats, and their credibility-launderers like Oster want women to do, is to put two things on the scales. One one side, is the harm that was done to your children, to you, to your community over nearly three years. On the other is the fear of a loss of access to abortion services. What they are hoping, is that their female base will believe the lie that Dr. Oster is peddling, that it was all just an unfortunate mistake, and could never happen again. It’s in the past! Don’t worry about it. Likewise, they will hope that their female base will forget that rather than living in 1972, with limited access to contraception, we live in 2022, where contraception that is more than 99% effective is inexpensive and widely available, even if paying out of pocket; that this contraception, includes abortion pills, which can be accessed anywhere in the country by mail up to 10 weeks of gestation. They want you to forget about the interstate commerce clause which would make hindering this nearly impossible—even, or especially, with a conservative court. They want you to forget that a flight to an abortion-providing state is at most a $200 plane ride away. Or that should you fail to secure an abortion, the worst-case scenario results in a baby you choose to give up for adoption. They want you to forget that if they win the senate, they would still have to overturn the filibuster to do this, and the important political stabilization that the 60-vote threshold provides. They want you to forget that they failed to legally codify access to abortion for 50 years. And they want you to forget that there is no way on earth they are going to give up the only issue they have to reliably stoke fear, drum up dollars, and drive women to the polls. Not a chance in hell.

But it wasn’t a mistake. It was a political calculation, and on the cost side of that equation was the education and welfare of our kids—and so much more. The people who made this calculation wagered that the fear that they could drum up around access to abortion could be used to distract women from the manifold harms these policies caused to children and/or that they could craft a narrative that would mask the truth. If you understand the cynicism of that decision, you have to expect the same cynicism on the other side of the equation.

I say all of this as someone who is pro-choice. I grew up VERY pro-choice. The last two+ years have resulted in a significant moderation of my position. I saw “my people”—not so much democrats, as well-educated, affluent, supposedly classically liberal people—thoughtlessly embrace every new flavor of authoritarianism. Thus, when seeking out new allies, I took the time to understand where people who are pro-life come from, and I have come to believe that the moral authority lays with that position. I have come to believe that the horror of abortion that characterizes conservative politics does honestly come from reverence for creation, and a deep-seated respect for individuals and the families that nourish them. I have no doubt that these things are at the heart of why more conservative states were more likely to keep school open. They value their children.

The narrative that conservatives seek to limit access to abortion in order to keep women down is a just that—a story. In order to prop it up, fetuses had to be literally dehumanized, and the narrative bolstered with overtly anti-natal supporting philosophies, philosophies which, in their anti-natalism rob life of most of its meaning for most people. For women, this anti-natalism is expressly anti-mother, hence, anti-feminine, transforming motherhood—one of the few truly transcendent human experiences—into a dupe’s prison.

That said, I remain pro-choice, fundamentally because after the past two+ years, all I want is the government smaller and weakened in every possible capacity. I don’t want the government legislating or coercing morality (we’ve had quite enough of that over the past few years) any more than I want it coercing medical decisions. Further, I believe that the vicissitudes of life can make such government interventions result in dangerous corner cases.

But despite being pro-choice, I have become a single issue voter. My vote this cycle is a vote for vengeance against the party that kept my kids masked for two years; that robbed me of my best friends, and strained every relationship I have; that caused us to move to an entirely different part of the country; that perverted a discipline that I love, and which I use to navigate my life (science); and that then lied about doing it, and called me a terrorist for being upset about it. After this cycle, my vote will always be for the party that represents the most decentralized power structure, and the greatest respect for individual rights and responsibility. For me, the new f-word is “federal”.

While I can only speak for myself, my experience has been that in the aftermath of our leaders’ decision to break and reset the world, there are new coalitions forming. I don’t think I’m alone in my efforts to try to better understand the positions of others who became my “comrades in arms”—and I have felt that reciprocated, with the possibility of compromise arising out of mutual respect and in the face of a greater perceived mutual threat. At the moment, I think this is only happening on the “right”. But if the democrats get the drubbing that looks likely in the mid-terms, this will also happen on the left; it’s why this drubbing needs to happen. Such a shake-up can only be to the good. Indeed, our leaders may yet have gotten a “Great Reset”—just not the one they were hoping for.

In this newly emerging political and ideological landscape, I think the votes of women will be great importance.

Moms in general, but SAHMs in particular played a very significant part in the grassroots pushback of COVID policy malfeasance. I believe this was due to three key things. First, COVID policies created many more SAHMs, as the exigencies of virtual school made work impossible. Second, these SAHMs experienced the harmful impacts of COVID policies directly for years in their own lives, and in those of their children. Third, I think that stay-at-home moms ended up being a very important and vocal minority because they could be. You can’t fire or cancel a stay-at-home-mom, and there is significant power in not being anonymous.

Emily is asking us to forgive a mistake. There was no mistake. There was a political calculation that harmed us, but even more, that harmed our children. The harm was considered acceptable because those who undertook it, took the votes of women for granted. They assumed they could lie and manipulate us into believing these harms were necessary, or barring that, unintentional. If we, as women, want our votes to be courted in the future by either party, we must vote to punish the past three years treachery.

After we have exacted some political retribution, if there is acknowledgement of the wrongs committed and contrition for those wrongs, then we can talk about amnesty.
 
If you can't even fucking apologize properly without trying to get a dig in don't fucking expect forgiveness especially if the noose is almost fucking taut.
 
If they don't, they don't deserve it. Live free or fucking die.
You sound like a faggot. Not like 4chan faggot where everyone is a fag, but a literal butt fucking boy who thinks that just because a super oppressed buttfucker got into college, anyone who isn't able to similarly go to college is just a slacking moocher who should be kicked off welfare because being kicked out of mommy's house (but still receiving free room and board from other relatives!) is just as big a handicap as being disabled, being unable to speak English, or having other adult responsibilities that would preclude being able to even get a GED.

And not a theoretical butt fucking boy, a specific one.

I remember him describing how he would achieve the same success even if he were put in the same position as those less fortunate as him, and the answer always included knowledge he only has because he grew up as privileged as he did.

He's like a rich boi saying that if he were suddenly homeless, he'd go eat at the soup kitchen to save money and budget anything he can get while busking.

D: Ok, but how do you find the soup kitchen?
F: Google.
D: How do you Google?
F: Obama phone.
D: This was before Obama phones though?
F: Library.
D: Pre-Obama phones fair enough, but current year we don't have libraries, they're being reduced to pickup only services so no computers. Only nice neighborhoods are allowed libraries.
D: But also, how do you find the library/apply for an Obama phone?
F: Google.

D: Now how do you busk?
F: With my guitar.
D: Where do you get the guitar?
F: <I don't remember this part>
D: How do you learn how to play the guitar?
F: Google.
(leads to the same issue as the soup kitchen)

D: How do you budget?
F: Just... Make a budget lmao how dumb are you?
D: Making a budget is a learned skill you only have because you were privileged enough to grow up with people who budgeted.
F: OK, if I didn't know how to budget, I'd get on Google and learn how to make a budget!
Yes, everything fucking goes back to Google. One trick pony. Skipping over those points again, but with one comment: You truly need a library for anything educational tier. Yes Obama phones can get you on the internet, but the form factor is bad for actual lessons and more informative resources will eat up your data.

No, I don't know why he didn't just Google "How to not get kicked out of the house by a homophobic family" and learn the skill of being abstinent until he was at college. Stereotypical catholic school girls do it, surely he can too.
D: OK Google issues aside, how do you even recognize that you need to learn to make a budget?
F: <insert that IQ pill about niggers not being able to imagine a world where they missed lunch> What do you mean how do I realize I need to learn to make a budget? I know I need to make a budget.

I have changed the specific skills he cited and of course added modern day tech, so this is more the gist of his argument than an actual transcript. But yeah, he would just keep magicking knowledge out of nowhere and assume a real poorboy who grew up poor would know everything he knew or realize it if they didn't. And the above entirely ignores the whole issue of how he was still getting free room and board, so he had the time and energy to Google all he wanted. The people he wants to kick off of welfare don't get that (or they wouldn't if he got his way), and the only reason he needed to get a job is his pants weren't designer pants and so they didn't make his ass look fuckable enough.

Horseshoe theory I suppose. Jonathan Haidt said that the far left is incapable of empathizing with others because they only recognize 2 axis - Care and Fairness. Not sure I'd describe the literal faggot by those two axis, but that's the archetypal lefty anyways. Now if we create another profile for someone who only recognizes one axis, and we set that axis to liberty...

You know, for 2-3 years, I was told I was selfish, ignorant, crazy, a conspiracy theorist, a Nazi, uneducated, a liar, stupid, reckless, dumb, evil and deserved to die.

I've come to accept and love this horrible person I am and I intend fully to continue, nay, blossom into an even more horrible person.

May she die of suddenly, for many lifetimes.
I'm with you sister! I mean, it wasn't the bat flu specifically that tipped me over, but life is so much more enjoyable when you accept the ad hominem as fact and make time for bigger issues.
 
Fauci should go to prison for life. And not just for what he did to puppies.
 
No. You assholes wanted to treat people like me like a national terror threat for refusing to trust the cult of science, expert worship, and refusing to get jabs. How many peoples careers were fucked over by refusing jab mandates alone? Not to mention all the mom and pop shops destroyed by government enforced shutdowns of business and what feels like an intentional plan to crash the economy to build back better to WEF standards. You fucks are the blame for all this with your double standard bullshit and sucking the cock of Big Pharma harder than ever.

Fuck you faggots, burn in hell after a lifetime of being a protected class you lying sacks of shit.
 
Sure, ill consider accepting your apologies - after the midterms that is
 
I well remember when people were told going to church, to conventions, to theme parks, to concerts, to weddings, to funerals, to sit-down restaurants, to movie theaters, to small mom-and-pop stores, to grocery, to the beach, to outside play parks, to school, was all superspreader events.

And that nigger riots with hundreds of thousands of niggers both black and white pressed up against each other while they burned down city after city weren't superspreader events, somehow.

This, I will never forgive. This I will want piano wire for.
 
If you can't even fucking apologize properly without trying to get a dig in don't fucking expect forgiveness especially if the noose is almost fucking taut.
There wasn't even an attempt at any apology. The whole article was "we couldn't have known, therefore there should be no accountability".

No regret, no remorse, just yet another petulant demand from someone who is in no position to be making them.
 
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