Science Let's Declare a Pandemic Amnesty - [LOL] We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID.

  • 🏰 The Fediverse is up. If you know, you know.
  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
original.png

In April 2020, with nothing else to do, my family took an enormous number of hikes. We all wore cloth masks that I had made myself. We had a family hand signal, which the person in the front would use if someone was approaching on the trail and we needed to put on our masks. Once, when another child got too close to my then-4-year-old son on a bridge, he yelled at her “SOCIAL DISTANCING!”

These precautions were totally misguided. In April 2020, no one got the coronavirus from passing someone else hiking. Outdoor transmission was vanishingly rare. Our cloth masks made out of old bandanas wouldn’t have done anything, anyway. But the thing is: We didn’t know.

I have been reflecting on this lack of knowledge thanks to a class I’m co-teaching at Brown University on COVID. We’ve spent several lectures reliving the first year of the pandemic, discussing the many important choices we had to make under conditions of tremendous uncertainty.

Some of these choices turned out better than others. To take an example close to my own work, there is an emerging (if not universal) consensus that schools in the U.S. were closed for too long: The health risks of in-school spread were relatively low, whereas the costs to students’ well-being and educational progress were high. The latest figures on learning loss are alarming. But in spring and summer 2020, we had only glimmers of information. Reasonable people—people who cared about children and teachers—advocated on both sides of the reopening debate.

Another example: When the vaccines came out, we lacked definitive data on the relative efficacies of the Johnson & Johnson shot versus the mRNA options from Pfizer and Moderna. The mRNA vaccines have won out. But at the time, many people in public health were either neutral or expressed a J&J preference. This misstep wasn’t nefarious. It was the result of uncertainty.

Obviously some people intended to mislead and made wildly irresponsible claims. Remember when the public-health community had to spend a lot of time and resources urging Americans not to inject themselves with bleach? That was bad. Misinformation was, and remains, a huge problem. But most errors were made by people who were working in earnest for the good of society.

Given the amount of uncertainty, almost every position was taken on every topic. And on every topic, someone was eventually proved right, and someone else was proved wrong. In some instances, the right people were right for the wrong reasons. In other instances, they had a prescient understanding of the available information.

The people who got it right, for whatever reason, may want to gloat. Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. All of this gloating and defensiveness continues to gobble up a lot of social energy and to drive the culture wars, especially on the internet. These discussions are heated, unpleasant and, ultimately, unproductive. In the face of so much uncertainty, getting something right had a hefty element of luck. And, similarly, getting something wrong wasn’t a moral failing. Treating pandemic choices as a scorecard on which some people racked up more points than others is preventing us from moving forward.

We have to put these fights aside and declare a pandemic amnesty. We can leave out the willful purveyors of actual misinformation while forgiving the hard calls that people had no choice but to make with imperfect knowledge. Los Angeles County closed its beaches in summer 2020. Ex post facto, this makes no more sense than my family’s masked hiking trips. But we need to learn from our mistakes and then let them go. We need to forgive the attacks, too. Because I thought schools should reopen and argued that kids as a group were not at high risk, I was called a “teacher killer” and a “génocidaire.” It wasn’t pleasant, but feelings were high. And I certainly don’t need to dissect and rehash that time for the rest of my days.

Moving on is crucial now, because the pandemic created many problems that we still need to solve.

Student test scores have shown historic declines, more so in math than in reading, and more so for students who were disadvantaged at the start. We need to collect data, experiment, and invest. Is high-dosage tutoring more or less cost-effective than extended school years? Why have some states recovered faster than others? We should focus on questions like these, because answering them is how we will help our children recover.

Many people have neglected their health care over the past several years. Notably, routine vaccination rates for children (for measles, pertussis, etc.) are way down. Rather than debating the role that messaging about COVID vaccines had in this decline, we need to put all our energy into bringing these rates back up. Pediatricians and public-health officials will need to work together on community outreach, and politicians will need to consider school mandates.

The standard saying is that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. But dwelling on the mistakes of history can lead to a repetitive doom loop as well. Let’s acknowledge that we made complicated choices in the face of deep uncertainty, and then try to work together to build back and move forward.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/ (Archive)
 
The only winning move is not to play.

I refuse to participate anymore. Go out Saturday have a blast, meet people, new best friend suddenly out of nowhere: Are you a racist? If I were a little more on the ball I'd have asked her when she stopped beating her dog, but I just walked away. At least it wasn't, "Are you vaxxed?" I mean, what the actual fucking hell is this shit anymore? Do I need to answer a questionnaire now in order to make new friends? Fuck all the way off.

I will not participate in this new society any further. Like another astute poster said, they just want us to be confused and angry and they sure managed that. I refuse to let this devil world steal my joy. I don't need friends like that. This weird miasma has permeated every facet of life and I'll find or make my own fun in my home thank you very much. And no, you people are NOT invited. I will never forgive you. Kiwis only. Thank the Gods we're back. It's been sad going not having you all around.

YWNBAW

Nigger.
 
What this country needs is not forgiveness but honesty. We need a public truth-telling of the depth of the corruption, the collusion, the censorship, the propaganda, the lies, and the grift that prevailed over the last few years.
1667298931607188.jpg
 
I’ll accept an apology if you can somehow undo all the nightmarish political and social precedents you set for the rest of time.

Oh wait, you can’t
 
You can also add the cats, dogs, hamsters, and other animals that were killed, as "COVID preventing measures".
26b.jpg
Remember when an animal shelter in Australia murdered all of its dogs, including ten puppies, so that people couldn't spread Chinese DeathAIDS by rehousing them?
These pieces of human refuse don't deserve to be forgiven. I personally had a loved one I wasn't allowed to see off before they died, pretty much everyone around me is worse off now than they were in 2019 because of the mass hysteria-infused measures imposed on us by our betters, and all this time anyone with an ounce of sense was belittled at best, were bashed by the cops like in Melbourne, or had their own government attempt to make them destitute like in Canada. No amount of "oops, we made a fucky wucky, sowwy ;)" will ever clean their hands of all the suffering and death they caused, especially because each and every single one of them were the ones screaming "racist" at people concerned about the footage coming out of China all the way up until early 2020 and were complicit in spreading the disease across the globe in the first place.
 
Tell ya what, I'll forgive and forget when you take back the stroke my grandma had right after her mandatory third jab.
 
I'd spit (and worse) on these holier-than-thou faggots, not forgive and forget. Disgusting filth gloating over people's deaths, and acting like the garbage vax makes them better than those who died.
View attachment 3767148

View attachment 3767160
These are fiends, not humans. Their own words and actions have made me despise them more than Trump or Tucker or 4chan ever could (shit, even those guys will tell you to temper your anger now and then, and give some of the gullible rubes the benefit of the doubt).

Nothing has radicalized me more than their self-evident cruelty and lust for power.

If they want forgiveness, they need to be remorseful. That requires them to grovel at my feet and to admit they were, are, and always will be full of shit.

As my confirmation saint John the Baptist put it:
You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Produce good fruit as evidence of your repentance. And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you, God can raise up children to Abraham from these stones. Even now the ax lies at the root of the trees. Therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
 
I'll forgive the shitbloods when the last of their kind has either been sterilized, keeled over from a heart attack, or dragged to the nearest wall and shot. Both the petty tyrants that wanted us dead for refusing to trust the same pharmaceutical companies that fucking decimated my home county with opioids, and the traitors that bent the knee to the mandates, instead of standing alongside us so my friends and I were forced out of our jobs, when a united 'no' would have made them back down.

This amnesty bullshit has helped me finally solidify my views on the niggercattle. I have nothing for them but malice.
 
I'll forgive the shitbloods when the last of their kind has either been sterilized, keeled over from a heart attack, or dragged to the nearest wall and shot. Both the petty tyrants that wanted us dead for refusing to trust the same pharmaceutical companies that fucking decimated my home county with opioids, and the traitors that bent the knee to the mandates, instead of standing alongside us so my friends and I were forced out of our jobs, when a united 'no' would have made them back down.

This amnesty bullshit has helped me finally solidify my views on the niggercattle. I have nothing for them but malice.
There's a difference between those who simply got vaxxed and those who were sanctimonious fucksticks about it. I got the first two in 2021 and a booster earlier this year, and even that was after much hesitation and insistence from my family (my parents are aging and I didn't wanna give it to them).

I did it for them, not for Fraudci and his hordes of sycophant lemmings.
 
nah, fuck you
we were right
you were wrong
you got jabbed with an experimental blend of goy juice for an illness that only kills if you're unhealthy or unlucky
we told you not to get it and you called us a bunch of retards for an untested 'vaccine' with no proof whatsoever it helps
 
I lost a loved one during Covid and I wasn't able to see them before they passed, so I'd sooner put them in the ground before I forgave them for what they did.
 
You're missing the subtext of the article, which is understandable because it's supposed to be subliminal. The author was one of the earliest critics of school closure and other COVID measures. She's telling progressives that their COVID policies were misinformed, overly-harsh, sanctimonious, and electorally suicidal. But, being center-left, the author lives in unceasing fear that the woke queen bees will kick her from the popular girls' table, so she dedicates 90% of the article, including the title and apparent thesis, to massaging their egos. Thus to an outsider, it seems like she's on their side.
 
View attachment 3771616
Remember when an animal shelter in Australia murdered all of its dogs, including ten puppies, so that people couldn't spread Chinese DeathAIDS by rehousing them?
These pieces of human refuse don't deserve to be forgiven. I personally had a loved one I wasn't allowed to see off before they died, pretty much everyone around me is worse off now than they were in 2019 because of the mass hysteria-infused measures imposed on us by our betters, and all this time anyone with an ounce of sense was belittled at best, were bashed by the cops like in Melbourne, or had their own government attempt to make them destitute like in Canada. No amount of "oops, we made a fucky wucky, sowwy ;)" will ever clean their hands of all the suffering and death they caused, especially because each and every single one of them were the ones screaming "racist" at people concerned about the footage coming out of China all the way up until early 2020 and were complicit in spreading the disease across the globe in the first place.
I forgot about this.

Okay I take back my offer, bring out the fucking Guillotines.

You're missing the subtext of the article, which is understandable because it's supposed to be subliminal. The author was one of the earliest critics of school closure and other COVID measures. She's telling progressives that their COVID policies were misinformed, overly-harsh, sanctimonious, and electorally suicidal. But, being center-left, the author lives in unceasing fear that the woke queen bees will kick her from the popular girls' table, so she dedicates 90% of the article, including the title and apparent thesis, to massaging their egos. Thus to an outsider, it seems like she's on their side.
Cowards get the bullet too.
 
"For what we said and did to each other."

lol
lmao

The absolute fucking balls. This is the Hail Mary of every fuckwit feminist as soon as they get backed into a corner. People who remember the fiasco surrounding the Johnny Depp trial should know all about this gambit. As soon as it looks like accountability is within reach, they say "well actually, everyone is at fault here" so that the whole thing becomes a wash.

I can't believe this bitch isn't Jewish.
 
Forgiveness is for those who want to be forgiven in the eyes of God for they knew they have erred.

Forgiveness is not for totalitarian bureaucrats, journalists, and experts being caught with their pants down after terrorizing the world's life for 2 years and feigning sadness to not be lynched.

Them trying to feign regret reminds me of a certain interview

 
"For what we said and did to each other."

lol
lmao

The absolute fucking balls. This is the Hail Mary of every fuckwit feminist as soon as they get backed into a corner. People who remember the fiasco surrounding the Johnny Depp trial should know all about this gambit. As soon as it looks like accountability is within reach, they say "well actually, everyone is at fault here" so that the whole thing becomes a wash.

I can't believe this bitch isn't Jewish.
evading responsibility by sharing it
You don't see it often, but it's the most disingenuous shit.
 
Nah, I don't think so. I'm never going to forget what people did, no matter how much they want us to.

Real harm was caused to society and what we deserve is justice, not a request for us to forgive and forget so they can do it again.
“But.. but… but… I was just following orders!” -Journalist
 
You want forgiveness? I'm fresh out. Tie on your bib, you hysterical NPC moron, because in a week you're eating the biggest, sloppiest shit sandwich of your life. You aided and abetted a scam that destroyed countless lives, and caused damage we've still yet to see the full effects of, and now you want all the people you demonized and castigated mercilessly to just let bygones be bygones? Fat fucking chance.
 
If they want forgiveness, they need to be remorseful. That requires them to grovel at my feet and to admit they were, are, and always will be full of shit.
You're right that they need to feel something inside them that inspires change, and they need to do something to manifest it in the real world, but that thing isn't groveling. I'm not sure what that thing is, but it has to be more meaningful and less performative.

Never trust these fuckers when they grovel and pander and clearly want something from you. If they literally ask, "What can I do to make you think better of me?", that shows they're trying to manipulate you. PL: I say this as a woman who has seen some pretty desperate incels. Bias: I therefore have an irrational, hormone-linked hatred of these tactics.

But, as Jonathan Haidt's moral foundations theory says, these people are bad at understanding motives. Any degree of change they can muster is only skin deep because they are literally incapable of doing the calculations required to understand the people they're trying to appease.

20220521_203543.jpg

Any attempts at reconciliation are nothing more that a rat pulling every lever it can hoping to get the results it wants while failing to comprehend the underlying system. Or a chimp flashing every sign it knows in hopes of the same.

Calm it with the racism, I'm referencing literal chimpanzees. Could be a gorilla for all I know but I think chimps were the ones that had their reputations cleaned up by The Science so it's probably chimps. In either case, literal monkeys, I'm not talking about joggers and gang symbols.

There's linguistic studies about teaching animals human language, and people like(d?) teaching monkeys sign language. One such monkey died and it's final message to humanity was some political environmentalist bs, but the whole message was jumpcutted together harder than the episode of The Simpsons where Homer ate that gummy off the chick's ass. Upon reviewing longer form footage of the monkey in action in the past, people found that it didn't really understand the words or how to make sentences. A lot of times the monkey would go off topic, but even those instances were actually the monkey saying something else entirely and the human interpreting for the monkey "Oh that sounds like/rhymes with this relevant word! Ahaha monke like word games" but that makes zero sense because the word play was based on spoken English words instead of sign language words (yes, sign language does have its own rhyming scheme).

I want to say there's a video about this on YouTube, but come on I just posted a whole disclaimer and explanation about how I'm not trying to be racist for once. There's a real risk the video isn't there anymore.

The author was one of the earliest critics of school closure and other COVID measures.
Does she write on more than just the Atlantic? Because while that does appear to be true in her Atlantic history, all her other articles are about her being a mommy and momming around. Not that she's written a lot of that, but she's a one trick pony.

Knowing that she's a mom makes her pro-sanity headlines read a little more selfishly, like she can't wrangle her kids and is only complaining because she has to live with the consequences of her actions. I don't get the feeling that she'd be pro-sanity for any non-parent adults.

While yes, it's true that everyone acts in their own interests, there was bullshit during the lockdowns like the schools actually being open but only nurses' kids being allowed to attend. So, some people on the basis of their parentage are allowed a proper education, but if you think about it those are the last people who should attend in person because if they get mommy sick then they kill Grandma and the whole town.

I'm not in the mood to be generous to people who only support rights that personally benefit themselves.
 
Last edited:
why are all of you blaming other people

we let this happen by allowing those people power

I'm to blame, you are to blame, we did this

neurotic kindergarten teachers don't get control over an entire society unless we let them

we all need to repent
 
Back
Top Bottom