Science Let's Declare a Pandemic Amnesty - [LOL] We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID.

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In April 2020, with nothing else to do, my family took an enormous number of hikes. We all wore cloth masks that I had made myself. We had a family hand signal, which the person in the front would use if someone was approaching on the trail and we needed to put on our masks. Once, when another child got too close to my then-4-year-old son on a bridge, he yelled at her “SOCIAL DISTANCING!”

These precautions were totally misguided. In April 2020, no one got the coronavirus from passing someone else hiking. Outdoor transmission was vanishingly rare. Our cloth masks made out of old bandanas wouldn’t have done anything, anyway. But the thing is: We didn’t know.

I have been reflecting on this lack of knowledge thanks to a class I’m co-teaching at Brown University on COVID. We’ve spent several lectures reliving the first year of the pandemic, discussing the many important choices we had to make under conditions of tremendous uncertainty.

Some of these choices turned out better than others. To take an example close to my own work, there is an emerging (if not universal) consensus that schools in the U.S. were closed for too long: The health risks of in-school spread were relatively low, whereas the costs to students’ well-being and educational progress were high. The latest figures on learning loss are alarming. But in spring and summer 2020, we had only glimmers of information. Reasonable people—people who cared about children and teachers—advocated on both sides of the reopening debate.

Another example: When the vaccines came out, we lacked definitive data on the relative efficacies of the Johnson & Johnson shot versus the mRNA options from Pfizer and Moderna. The mRNA vaccines have won out. But at the time, many people in public health were either neutral or expressed a J&J preference. This misstep wasn’t nefarious. It was the result of uncertainty.

Obviously some people intended to mislead and made wildly irresponsible claims. Remember when the public-health community had to spend a lot of time and resources urging Americans not to inject themselves with bleach? That was bad. Misinformation was, and remains, a huge problem. But most errors were made by people who were working in earnest for the good of society.

Given the amount of uncertainty, almost every position was taken on every topic. And on every topic, someone was eventually proved right, and someone else was proved wrong. In some instances, the right people were right for the wrong reasons. In other instances, they had a prescient understanding of the available information.

The people who got it right, for whatever reason, may want to gloat. Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. All of this gloating and defensiveness continues to gobble up a lot of social energy and to drive the culture wars, especially on the internet. These discussions are heated, unpleasant and, ultimately, unproductive. In the face of so much uncertainty, getting something right had a hefty element of luck. And, similarly, getting something wrong wasn’t a moral failing. Treating pandemic choices as a scorecard on which some people racked up more points than others is preventing us from moving forward.

We have to put these fights aside and declare a pandemic amnesty. We can leave out the willful purveyors of actual misinformation while forgiving the hard calls that people had no choice but to make with imperfect knowledge. Los Angeles County closed its beaches in summer 2020. Ex post facto, this makes no more sense than my family’s masked hiking trips. But we need to learn from our mistakes and then let them go. We need to forgive the attacks, too. Because I thought schools should reopen and argued that kids as a group were not at high risk, I was called a “teacher killer” and a “génocidaire.” It wasn’t pleasant, but feelings were high. And I certainly don’t need to dissect and rehash that time for the rest of my days.

Moving on is crucial now, because the pandemic created many problems that we still need to solve.

Student test scores have shown historic declines, more so in math than in reading, and more so for students who were disadvantaged at the start. We need to collect data, experiment, and invest. Is high-dosage tutoring more or less cost-effective than extended school years? Why have some states recovered faster than others? We should focus on questions like these, because answering them is how we will help our children recover.

Many people have neglected their health care over the past several years. Notably, routine vaccination rates for children (for measles, pertussis, etc.) are way down. Rather than debating the role that messaging about COVID vaccines had in this decline, we need to put all our energy into bringing these rates back up. Pediatricians and public-health officials will need to work together on community outreach, and politicians will need to consider school mandates.

The standard saying is that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. But dwelling on the mistakes of history can lead to a repetitive doom loop as well. Let’s acknowledge that we made complicated choices in the face of deep uncertainty, and then try to work together to build back and move forward.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/ (Archive)
 
As soon as it looks like accountability is within reach, they say "well actually, everyone is at fault here" so that the whole thing becomes a wash.
It probably isn't an intrinsically feminine thing, but I've gained the impression that women-- more often than men-- perform this strange displacement of blame, often doing so onto an abstract concept that can't be held accountable such as "white supremacy" or "toxic masculinity".

When those sorts of people hold people (rather than concepts) responsible, it's just "everybody's wrong" with perfunctory-at-best (and arguably incorrect) elaboration as to the wrong that was done in the first place. Such is the diffusion of blame. Mind you, it's not as if it's impossible for "everyone" to be at fault-- it's just that in this case, the charge is so poorly developed, seemingly as to avoid laying blame at all.
 
I'll forgive the shitbloods when the last of their kind has either been sterilized, keeled over from a heart attack, or dragged to the nearest wall and shot.
I take issue with sterilization because that's exactly what they want (see: abortion spergery) and they'll still kill grandma (see: super gonorrhea making us piss away our last resort antibiotics instead of saving them for vulnerable persons).

Sterilization still allows them to have babyless sex that transmits STDs, which they cure, and the cure hurts the rest of us.

We need something a little more extreme. We can't just take babies away from them, we need to take sex away from them as well.

As soon as it looks like accountability is within reach, they say "well actually, everyone is at fault here" so that the whole thing becomes a wash.
Or the classic AGG tactic of "we all had a crazy teenager phase, we've all been predators on IRC and pro CSA to be edgey"

Uhm no, I did not. I don't even know what helldump is anymore because I didn't have one and heard about it because Van Valkenburg insisted it was internet rite of passage that everyone had one.
 
I'll forgive the shitbloods when the last of their kind has either been sterilized, keeled over from a heart attack, or dragged to the nearest wall and shot. Both the petty tyrants that wanted us dead for refusing to trust the same pharmaceutical companies that fucking decimated my home county with opioids, and the traitors that bent the knee to the mandates, instead of standing alongside us so my friends and I were forced out of our jobs, when a united 'no' would have made them back down.

This amnesty bullshit has helped me finally solidify my views on the niggercattle. I have nothing for them but malice.
Don't forget their children too. You don't want their off spring to dedicate their lives to revenge.
 
why are all of you blaming other people

we let this happen by allowing those people power

I'm to blame, you are to blame, we did this

neurotic kindergarten teachers don't get control over an entire society unless we let them

we all need to repent
>It's not my fault
>It's not your fault
Nobody is invalidated but nobody is correct. The status quo remains as the focus has now gone from a select group to the entire population. A change on such a scale is impossible in a short amount of time.

and i cannot color text green without an error for some reason
 
Fuck off, you were willing to kill people because of your irrational fear and blind obedience. The untold damage inflicted on people mentally and physically will far exceed all of the deaths that will ever occur because of this bullshit flu. So many lives lost to suicide, to drug abuse, to alcohol, to despair. Dying elderly not allowed to be visited by family and buried alone in a goddamn sealed casket like they're a piece of garbage.

I will never forgive them for what they did. This was a true atrocity that can never, ever be forgotten.
 
and a booster earlier this year
You're part of the problem.

I will never forgive *you* for not standing up

I will never forgive myself
lol, fuck off with that shit. I was a college degree and four years into my career with another degree in the works when covid hit. When the mandates came for schools, I dropped out. When the mandates came for our workplaces, I quit. When I couldn't afford my apartment, I moved. I threw away not just my current life, but the future I was building for myself to stand by my principles and I spit on anyone who didn't do the same.
 
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Actually forget the January 6th protestors - you REALLY wanna see the fireworks fly, try applying the exact same defense to the Nazis during WWII: "we should forgive and forget about what the Nazis did because they didn't know, they were just following orders, bro!" You'd be tarred and feathered faster than you could even blink.
 
I got fired because greedy assholes in the board of directors at my last company used the vaccines as an excuse to save money while pandemic psychopaths sat there and justified this despite no scientific basis in reality. My state government also did nothing despite having the power to stop it. So no, I’m not feeling particularly forgiving, all three of these groups either directly tried to ruin lives or else allowed this to happen by their inaction, and they’d all do this again the second there is another “crisis” excuse to dehumanize and punish a group in society they don’t like.

These same people also have high overlap with groups who support endless reparations for people who play the victim in society over harms done to their ancestors. But no, if you’ve actually lost your job, or had a bad reaction to one of the shots, or your kid failed a grade because online learning doesn’t work for 7 year olds - it’s time to forgive your oppressors. Sorry, no, you don’t get to dictate the terms once the scale of public opinion is starting to weigh against you.
 
I would be willing to forgive people but none of them are asking for forgiveness, certainly not the author in this case. Not a shred of remorse, no acknowledgement they were deceived, no attempt to make things right or prevent another hijacking of the world by drug companies.
 
Okay, deal.

I'll forgive your malfeasance if you agree to give my sister-in-law back her perma-shuttered business and the lost investment it took her to open it.
 
I will never forgive the shit that the Good People(tm) tried to pull over the last two and a half years. Absolutely not. These were the people so eager to punish anyone they saw as being a Orange Man supporter (rightly or wrongly) that they
eagerly ran a fucking bulldozer over small businesses,
wrecked families,
did potentially unfixable harm to millions of kids,
got tons of people fired
tried their best to get anyone remaining fired and banned from essential things like hospitals and grocery stores.

These fucking trash were so eager to create their two-tiered society, where they who got the vaxx and had all the right opinions could jet around, go to bars and restaurants, pay rent. But most importantly, those of us who had one too many incorrect opinions would have to be crushed into the dirt. And they tried, with childish glee when they thought they could pull it off (most of 2021).

I lost two jobs to the lockdowns. I had a pretty sweet gig. I would have lost another job if the OSHA vaccination mandate hadn't been struck down by SCOTUS. I dropped my family's doctor because despite being probably the healthiest patient he had, he decided to be a pissy bitch when I told him I wasn't interested in the vaxx. Things still aren't great with my wider family either, I have one aunt and uncle (who I really liked growing up) who decided they would go full meltdown and repeatedly try to pressure my part of the family to get vaccinated.

Hard to just forget all that shit. Don't think I will. You get called evil, dumb, misinformed, a plague rat, nazi. And then they back it up with trying to (and somewhat succeeding) completely ruing your life and starve you into submission.

Nah. Now I want you fucking dead.
 
You're part of the problem.
No, he's not.

Vaccine issues aside, the problem was never the vaccine or people choosing to get it-- it was government officials doing everything they could to bully you into getting the vaccine instead of you making the individual decision, and various citizens giving their support for such actions while also being assholes to compensate for their lack of sense of true morality. Nobody should have to not get the vaccine with you, in the same way nobody should have to get the vaccine.

You can talk about what you gave up in your refusal to be vaccinated by mandate, but in saying what you've said, you commit almost the same error that the author and her ilk have: you're unwilling, and in fact unable, to shoulder responsibility for what you're demanding. @Meat Target said that part of his motivation was doing what he could to prevent harm from befalling people that were definitely at risk of severe illness from COVID. Many of the people who submitted due to the mandate did so because they literally couldn't afford to just throw away their job as the primary household breadwinner. Many figured that the benefit for them would have outweighed any cost.

In any of these circumstances, where does your individual plight factor in, and how does it lead said people to specifically choosing to not take the vaccine?
 
lmao I am never forgetting how quick everyone was willing to espouse unironic fascist talking points the millisecond the media told them to be scared, even people I loved.
If real shit that isn't a glorified flu ever hits the fan, this country will tear itself apart. Thank god we have oceans, a bunch of prissy faggots, and a failed narco state on our borders instead of a real military threat.
 
No, he's not.

Vaccine issues aside, the problem was never the vaccine or people choosing to get it-- it was government officials doing everything they could to bully you into getting the vaccine instead of you making the individual decision, and various citizens giving their support for such actions while also being assholes to compensate for their lack of sense of true morality. Nobody should have to not get the vaccine with you, in the same way nobody should have to get the vaccine.

You can talk about what you gave up in your refusal to be vaccinated by mandate, but in saying what you've said, you commit almost the same error that the author and her ilk have: you're unwilling, and in fact unable, to shoulder responsibility for what you're demanding. @Meat Target said that part of his motivation was doing what he could to prevent harm from befalling people that were definitely at risk of severe illness from COVID. Many of the people who submitted due to the mandate did so because they literally couldn't afford to just throw away their job as the primary household breadwinner. Many figured that the benefit for them would have outweighed any cost.

In any of these circumstances, where does your individual plight factor in, and how does it lead said people to specifically choosing to not take the vaccine?
First off, the second half of that post was in reply to a different user. Second, there is no putting vaccine issues aside. There were plenty of us saying that shit was poison when it came out, and far more of us saying so by the time the first booster arrived. It's killed people and didn't deliver on a single benefit it promised. Everyone who caved to peer pressure or mandates, no matter how reluctantly, gave legitimacy to the tyrants making life hell for the rest of us that were trying to preserve what little freedoms we were still afforded, or even just trying to hold on to our fucking livelihoods. A unified effort of "no, fuck you" would have stopped that shit a lot sooner. As Ben Franklin said, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

The world underwent an unprecedented power grab and transfer of wealth from the working class to the elites, the damage unlikely to be undone in our lifetimes, and a portion of that blame rests with those reluctant compliers who knew what they were doing was wrong but did so anyway. And yes, I am saying people shouldn't be allowed to get the vaccine that, at best, does nothing, and just as often causes actual harm. It should be banned and its creators hanged. Fuck the mark of the beast.
 
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