EU Le Gilets Jaune protests thread - Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46233560

One protester has died and dozens were injured as almost a quarter of a million people took to the streets of France, angry at rising fuel prices.

The female protester who died was struck after a driver surrounded by demonstrators panicked and accelerated.

The "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, blocked motorways and roundabouts.

They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".

Mr Macron has not so far commented on the protests, some of which have seen demonstrators call for him to resign.

But he admitted earlier in the week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".

Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

What has happened so far?
Some 244,000 people took part in protests across France, the interior ministry said in its latest update.

It said 106 people were injured during the day, five seriously, with 52 people arrested.

Most of the protests have been taking place without incident although several of the injuries came when drivers tried to force their way through protesters.

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Image captionA driver forces a car through a group of protesters in Donges, western France
Chantal Mazet, 63, was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them.

The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock.

In Paris protesters approaching the Élysée Palace, the president's official residence, were repelled with tear gas.

Why are drivers on the warpath?
The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months to an average of €1.51 (£1.32; $1.71) per litre, its highest point since the early 2000s, AFP news agency reports.

World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.

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Image captionTear gas was used to disperse protesters in Paris
The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.

Speaking on Wednesday, the president blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise. He also said more tax on fossil fuels was needed to fund renewable energy investments.

How big is the movement?
It has broad support. Nearly three-quarters of respondents to a poll by the Elabe institute backed the Yellow Vests and 70% wanted the government to reverse the fuel tax hikes.

More than half of French people who voted for Mr Macron support the protests, Elabe's Vincent Thibault told AFP.

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Image captionPolice attend as protesters block a motorway in Antibes
"The expectations and discontent over spending power are fairly broad, it's not just something that concerns rural France or the lower classes," he said.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the movement has grown via social media into a broad and public criticism of Mr Macron's economic policies.

Are opposition politicians involved?
They have certainly tried to tap into it. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was defeated by Mr Macron in the second round of the presidential election, has been encouraging it on Twitter.

She said: "The government shouldn't be afraid of French people who come to express their revolt and do it in a peaceful fashion."

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Laurent Wauquiez, leader of the centre-right Republicans, called on the Macron government to scrap the next planned increase in carbon tax on fossil fuels in January to offset rising vehicle fuel prices.

Mr Castaner has described Saturday's action as a "political protest with the Republicans behind it".

Olivier Faure, leader of the left-wing Socialist Party said the movement - which has no single leader and is not linked to any trade union - had been "born outside political parties".

"People want politicians to listen to them and respond. Their demand is to have purchasing power and financial justice," he said.

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Is there any room for compromise?
On Wednesday, the government announced action to help poor families pay their energy and transport bills.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that 5.6 million households would receive energy subsidies. Currently 3.6 million receive them.

A state scrappage bonus on polluting vehicles would also be doubled for France's poorest families, he said, and fuel tax credits would be brought in for people who depend on their cars for work.

Protesters have mocked the president relentlessly as "Micron" or "Macaron" (Macaroon) or simply Manu, the short form of Emmanuel, which he famously scolded a student for using.

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To be honest, I don't blame the driver at all.
 
So Macron has been firing up his offensive against the protestors and it's resulted in its resulting in a fucking torrent of wounded. Hospitals in the area are filling up, and not only with protestors; there's numerous documented cases of riot police targetting basically anyone within reach, including French journalists.

One of the key reasons for the sudden spike in wounded seems to be because the French decided to up the deployment on a device for their Riot Police en masse: The Flash-Ball. Effectively, its a "soft" 44mm rubber ball hot-loaded into a grenade launcher shell. The idea is to create a maximum-impact, but zero-penetration projectile for use in riot siutations, but in practice, it's still hitting targets at around six to seven hundred feet per second and an impact of around 200 joules. Enough to shatter bones and cause organ damage at closer ranges, and now they're being actively used at point blank range. At this point, the French riot police have been caught on camera intentionally going for headshots and legshots, with a French Riot Policeman holding a fucking French journalist at gunpoint with a Flash-Ball launcher being the piece de la resistance.

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While the weapon's been around for about a decade, they've never caught on outside of France, Macau, and Portugal, despite being available: Even western law enforcement, which brought you LRADs and Tazers considers these things to be too fucking dangerous. To compare, a Ring Airfoil grenade, which *is* used by US law enforcement, hits at about 270 feet per second: Less than half that of the Flash-Ball.

The message on the ground seems to be that the French Riot Police have been told to break the back of the protests no matter the cost, but this is only going to foster further resentment and further swell the ranks of the Yellow Vests. There's going to be deaths if they keep up this heavy-handed approach, and god show mercy to these officers if that happens, because the French sure as fuck aren't going to.
Ok actual violence on the part of the protesters is now justified. I'll stop bitching about them.
 
Le Pen's time may soon be coming.

That is the problem with this situation. The French don’t want Macron but they don’t want Le Pen or Melenchon either. So when Macron steps down, it will be either far left, far right, or another shit eating globalist who will retry what Macron failed to do and we are back to square one.
 
their republic just sucks tbh
someone should step in and recreate vichy france instead, that would be better
So a mess of a nation run by an incompetent yet arrogant moron who is really just a puppet for the Germans?
 
Holy shit the french are going to fix the world for us? OK, if you guys pull this off you've paid us back for WW2.

You know, it's funny with France and the US. We don't always see eye to eye, but when shit gets real we end up on the same side. They let us beat england in the revolution, now they're helping beat the EU.

Man though... all the people saying we should copy europe's ways of doing things probably feel pretty dumb right now... hahahah not really, I'm sure they still think these are all russians.
 
their republic just sucks tbh
someone should step in and recreate vichy france instead, that would be better
Hell, the Bourbons and the Bonapartes are still around, surely they can't possibly be as big of fuck ups as their predecessors were
Holy shit the french are going to fix the world for us? OK, if you guys pull this off you've paid us back for WW2.

You know, it's funny with France and the US. We don't always see eye to eye, but when shit gets real we end up on the same side. They let us beat england in the revolution, now they're helping beat the EU.

Man though... all the people saying we should copy europe's ways of doing things probably feel pretty dumb right now... hahahah not really, I'm sure they still think these are all russians.
Pretty interesting how Trump hasn't said a word on the riots, but you can be damn sure he's looking at this in his spare time laughing like that Flipagram roast dude
 
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Man though... all the people saying we should copy europe's ways of doing things probably feel pretty dumb right now... hahahah not really, I'm sure they still think these are all russians.
They should already be happy, government shutdowns are pretty common in parliamentary republics.
 
Le Pen's time may soon be coming.
Honestly she's a bad option. This is the harpy who couldn't be bothered to learn her lines for the presidential debate, was utterly incapable of explaining her economic policy and spent the whole debate desperately trying to bully Macaroni into submission, and failed. Macron fucking owned her, let that sink in. And he didn't even try. He just asked her simple questions and she was incapable of answering any of them. It was almost painful to watch. She sunk her own ship all by herself.

And shortly after they had this big meeting where they were supposed to review her campaign and see what mistakes they had made and what they could possibly learn from them, and she expressly forbade anyone from mentioning the debate. You know, the number one reason why she failed. She has something of an ego problem.

Like her father before her she has no idea what's she doing here. She has no allies, the more competent people left because they couldn't stand her anymore and her entire party is just an election machine, there's neither discussion nor debate.

If that's the only alternative the French have, they're utterly fucked. Imagine the bitchiness, entitlement and hypocrisy of Hillary Clinton mixed with the insanity and incompetence of Theresa May. Who would want that ?

Note that the only other alternative they have right now is a bunch of screeching ANTIFA monkeys led by an old, opportunistic communist with a God complex whose ultimate dream is starting a jihad against anyone who makes more than 500 a month. Like I said, fucked.
 
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I never predicted that the GJ would be a big push for the end of the EU at the hand of the people. I predicted the potential for violence but funny enough, I thought it'd be by the protesters, agitators among the crowd looking for an excuse.
Instead, it's the police escalating this beyond where it should go. If the protesters respond in kind and it keeps escalating, we'll hit live bullets instead of rubber bullets and shit that should be illegal to fire into a crowd. And if that happens, shit, everything spirals into a potential civil war.
 
I never predicted that the GJ would be a big push for the end of the EU at the hand of the people. I predicted the potential for violence but funny enough, I thought it'd be by the protesters, agitators among the crowd looking for an excuse.
Instead, it's the police escalating this beyond where it should go. If the protesters respond in kind and it keeps escalating, we'll hit live bullets instead of rubber bullets and shit that should be illegal to fire into a crowd. And if that happens, shit, everything spirals into a potential civil war.
While the euros still call the US a fascist dictatorship while simultaneously cheering on the obvious russian spy yellow vests being gunned down.
 
Do the French cops have some kind of drive where they actively recruit ghetto people? Because some of them sure do seem to have that "legalised street gang" attitude.
 
Do the French cops have some kind of drive where they actively recruit ghetto people? Because some of them sure do seem to have that "legalised street gang" attitude.

Nah just no focus on community policing
 
Note that the only other alternative they have right now is a bunch of screeching ANTIFA monkeys led by an old, opportunistic communist with a God complex whose ultimate dream is starting a jihad against anyone who makes more than 500 a month. Like I said, fucked.
Bob Avakian? I know that he's been in "exile" in Paris for some time now and that fits his description rather well unless you're talking about some other French politician. He and his cult are already directly connected with Antifa groups like BAMN here in the states as it is
 
Do the French cops have some kind of drive where they actively recruit ghetto people? Because some of them sure do seem to have that "legalised street gang" attitude.

France is kind of unusual in that it has two "main" police groups: The Police Nationale, and the National Gendarmerie. The main difference is that while the Police Nationale are basically cops, the Gendarmerie are technically a branch of the armed forces, akin to the national guard. All of the riot control operations you're seeing now are almost entirely under the auspices of The Gendarmerie, which answers to France's Minister of the Interior. They're not overreaching because of criminality, they're overreaching because they're a military force on what is amounting to a sustained deployment with no end in sight and tensions were already running hot.

That said: The current French Interior Minister is Cristophe Castaner.
Would it surprise fucking anyone here that he was Macron's campaign manager during his election in 2017 and is a shameless cheerleader for the guy?
 
just going to toss this in; when you examine history, france has produced quite a few badasses. Joan of Arc and Napolean to name a few. So there is some badass gene in frenchies, if dormant.

unfortunately, macron fucked up so bad he made the genes become active. otherwise we're going to see a repeat of what happened after the english burned joan for being a 'witch', except to macron.
 
The message on the ground seems to be that the French Riot Police have been told to break the back of the protests no matter the cost, but this is only going to foster further resentment and further swell the ranks of the Yellow Vests. There's going to be deaths if they keep up this heavy-handed approach, and god show mercy to these officers if that happens, because the French sure as fuck aren't going to.
Already happened with that 80 year old lady who died when she caught a CS canister in the face while trying to close her apartment's window a few weeks back. Didn't really get that much coverage for some reason. I get the feeling there's gonna be a Reginald Denny moment in one of these protests soon, except here it'll be the riot cops dragging some innocent bystander into the street and beating them to death with iPhones rolling. That fireman taking a grenade to the head last week was close, but the next incident like that is going to be more egregious.
 
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