Koei-Tecmo's Warriors Series - DON'T PURSUE LU BU

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Scarlett Johansson said:
All Stars has Atelier characters and some gambler girl im dying. And a cat Nobunaga Oda?!
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It's something else having the cutesy Atelier girl next to the Kagerou girls that kill people by laying violent traps everywhere. Nobunaga Kitty next to William from Nioh. However they are both male characters so they can bathe together.

I found out by complete accident that same gender characters can hang out with each other if you walk in in them showering by accident.

Also I read up on Lu Bu's voice lines and All Star made him a lot nicer.
Scarlett Johansson said:
As an aside am I the only one who adores the glossary and encyclopedia some of the games have? Its fun reading about the different characters and their historical records
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No, I find it interesting too. My dumbass now understands that Zhang Jiao is actually Zhang Jue. It made me dig deeper into the various figures and I had no idea Zhang Fei was such a fucking Asshole.
Scarlett Johansson said:
Oh and best team in WO3? Noh, Motochika Chokosabe, and Zhang Jiao.
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Noted for future reference when I get my ass handed to me in Gauntlet Mode. I tend to settle for speed characters, because I like to zip around the battlefield as to not get killed super fast.
 
Yeah. Those three are Wonder characters with the ability that makes your musou bar only drain slowly. I think it stacks iirc so get weapon and add musou and musou gauge related skills you can literally for example walk backwards as noh in her musou the entire level. Or my favorite being Zhang Jiao's R1. Prepare to hover around like a badass.

Started Spirit of Sanada. (Oh my god its a bb Yukimura) Its interesting. In dialogue certain words are highlighted and if you press a button you get info about it and I believe it updates for characters. I learned for example that the guy who tried to take over for the Imagawa after Yoshimoto was killed by Nobunaga was actually into kemari. It explains why they made Yoshimoto a kemari fan. Blending one guy into the other is an interesting historical tidbit in a way.

SoS also does something interesting in the encyclopedia entries, whenever there's a location, they almost always will state 'currently modern day Tokyo, or currently Chiba prefecture' for example which is a fun little bonus.
 
I wish that the Orochi games also had encyclopedias for the mystic characters. Sure, figures like Wukong and Orochi and Susanoo and maybe Kaguya are super known but a lore entry on Da Ji and Himiko would be stellar.

I had no idea Da Ji was such a lunatic historically.

I'm a weeb so I'm aware of Benkei and Yoshitsune Mimamoto but what about Nuwa and Fu Xi and Hundun?

Which reminds me of the Strikeforce games. We never got game 2 but I know they added historical from dynasties pre-Han and the three kingdoms so it sort of loses that RoTK flavor but I will admit I'd be super down for more side games doing that.

Plus it's educational because encountering Xiang Yu led me to read up on Liu Bang and the clusterfuck that came after his death and how it connects to Liu Beis claims of restoring the Han - as Liu Bang was its founder.
 
Snekposter said:
I legitimately have no idea how Guan Yu ever tolerated his shit, let alone to the point of swearing an oath of brotherhood with him.

Dude seemed completely unsurprised at him winding up dead only a few months after being given a job that wasn't "Kill those assholes for me".
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It does make that whole Peach Garden thing seem like extreme Shu propoganda, signal boosted by RoTK.

Then signal boosted again by the games. The way they wrote Xiahouji into DW9 was a curious choice.

I remember the DW reddit having a melt down because of it.

If memory serves, I remember reading that Liu Bei had repeatedly warned Zhang Fei about his treatment of his officers but I suppose it fell for death ears.

So it wouldn't shock me if Liu Bei was "I told him, the stupid fuck"
 
DenseDeerFather said:
It does make that whole Peach Garden thing seem like extreme Shu propoganda, signal boosted by RoTK.
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Eh, I can kinda see it as a misguided attempt to steer him in a better direction. "Dude, quit fucking up, remember that oath we swore? You need to do better by us." That and considering some of the shit they had been through together the other two owed him and his drunken, violent assholery their lives several times over. He may have been a complete fuckup at anything that wasn't chugging down an entire barrel of wine before applying foot to ass but well... in times like those you can't tell me he didn't pull his weight with helping the other two out with all the asses that needed kicking. There are, unfortunately, obligations that must be met.
 
Snekposter said:
Eh, I can kinda see it as a misguided attempt to steer him in a better direction. "Dude, quit fucking up, remember that oath we swore? You need to do better by us." That and considering some of the shit they had been through together the other two owed him and his drunken, violent assholery their lives several times over. He may have been a complete fuckup at anything that wasn't chugging down an entire barrel of wine before applying foot to ass but well... in times like those you can't tell me he didn't pull his weight with helping the other two out with all the asses that needed kicking. There are, unfortunately, obligations that must be met.
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Oh certainly, the man could fight 100%. I do wonder how things had turned out for Shu had he and Guan Yu not been killed.

Though in Zhang Feis case, it's like wondering if Lu Bu didn't burn every goddamn bridge in his wake.
 
DenseDeerFather said:
Oh certainly, the man could fight 100%. I do wonder how things had turned out for Shu had he and Guan Yu not been killed.

Though in Zhang Feis case, it's like wondering if Lu Bu didn't burn every goddamn bridge in his wake.
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Yeah, that's Challenge Level: Impossible territory right there. That said out of all the men Liu Bei managed to assemble, he sticks out like a giant, red-haired thumb.

Let's start with the undisputed top man of his Five Tiger Generals: Guan Yu, a man known equally for his righteousness and asskicking to the point he was eventually deified as the god of war after his passing.

After than we've got Zhao Yun, who while not the equal of Guan Yu in asskicking or being a swell guy was still better than 99% of the people alive at the time in both respects.

For number three we've got Ma Chao, hotblooded, tough-as-nails Northerner and one of the few men who could come close to Zhang Fei's ass-kicking talents since not even getting whacked in the neck with a broken spear was enough to slow him down in the slightest once he recovered.

Number four is Huang Zong, oldfag and tactical mastermind with balls of steel.

Honorable callout to Zhuge Liang, who while not one of the Five Tiger Generals was equally indispensable to Liu Bei, and was a man as morally upright as Guan Yu and infamous for his unpleasant surprises to the point that all it took was him playing a musical instrument on top of a city gate for an entire army to decide to beat feet than learn first-hand what he had in store for them given his absurd bravado on display. Spoiler alert: his solo performance was all he had planned for them but he knew damn well nobody would want to risk sticking around for any potential encore.



And then that detour aside as the final Tiger General we've got... Zhang Fei, a man who felt the eternal need to apply a boot to someone's ass simply because he could, and for all parties in mere proximity to him was distressingly good at it.
 
DenseDeerFather said:
Oh certainly, the man could fight 100%. I do wonder how things had turned out for Shu had he and Guan Yu not been killed.
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At the time of Guan Yu's death they were all in their 60's. I don't think the IRL Guan was going to last much longer as an effective fighting man.

Story Guan probably beheads Cao Cao himself and Liu Bei turns east to conquer Rome or something like that.
 
I don’t know much about Warriors games in general, but all I know is this; Dynasty Warriors 4 is fucking PEAK.
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Gravityqueen4life said:
It was my first and will always have a special place in my heart.
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2 was mine. I think it was the only game in the series where Lu Bu is as OP when you unlock him as he is when you fight him. Not that I would know for certain considering I GameSharked that shit to unlock him since I had no clue how to do it fairly and I had managed to properly unlock just about everyone else. One thing I loved about that game was the bodyguard system, where the more points you snagged the more and better bodyguards you got until you had an entire team of Captain-ranked dudes following you around. And of course certain characters had different levels of bodyguards that they started with. Yuan Shao had mediocre combat stats balanced out by mid-level guards when unlocked, and Dong Zhuo had absolutely dogshit stats but a full team of elite guards protecting him. You could of course level up your stats for a character (ATK/DEF/LIFE), and they'd be persistent across all modes, simply by killing gate and guard captains and picking up their stat boosters, so even Dong Zhuo could go from zero to uh... not-hero after your body guards did most of the work, and the infamously backstabbing Lu Bu would have a team of elite toadies who'd be unable to keep up with what would inevitably be your maxed-out stats by that point.
 
I love how the /vg/ threads on these games is called something like "Eastern Genocide General".

Anyway. I finally gave in and got Origins. After having played the same story like 5-6 times going on decades, I can appreciate the 'new' angle on it. I am however not a fan of the self-insert timeless nobody sort of meta character, cause clearly you're not just helping history along but actually partaking in it. I'm also very confused by what they were going for: You basically run around boss rushing to solve conflicts, okay. But they also constantly hammer it into your head that you should support your allies, yet troops disappear when the officer is gone? So you're -meant- to rush around deleting officers?

Then there's the triple-whammy of popups saying "Once the fight area is blue, they're gonna win without your interference" to be followed immediately by them losing, either by new enemies appearing or.. just cause, I guess. I had this one 2-on-2 fight going on in an isolated area of the map, no external influence. It was blue from the start and then ran all the way down to near-death. I'm enjoying it so far, but man it really lacks that 'maining' aspect. To grind out xp and weapons for a character you enjoy. I ain't enjoying the kpop fuckboy I play as.
 
I said "FUCK MY OTHER PLANS" and decided to play through visions of the four hero DLC. To get this out of the way, yes, i think the DLC is overpriced for what you get (around 8-10 hours of gameplay, new customs and two new weapons). They should have made it ten dollars cheaper to be honest. Now is it any good? If you want more DW Origins, i think it was pretty good. Some routes however, are more polish then others.

zhang jiao, Doung Zhuo and Yuan shao routes were great. Right amount of stages, great character moments (especially for Yuan Shao) and some cool battles. Then we have Lu Bu who gets one stage less then the others and not even part of his own route much, since Chen Gong is mostly the one doing all the talking and you and Lu Bu, is just there for the ride. Would not be so disappointed if not for the fact Lu Bu already had an awesome route in DW8 so that's prove they could have made it better.

As for the new weapons, Bow is really fun to use. Became one of my favorites after figuring it out. Did not get a chance to try the rope much since i got it by the end of Yuan shao DLC.
 
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I beat the base game and tried to 100% peace in each region etc. Only then did I realize that you can literally browse missions from the Chronicles (?) tab, making it all the easier. Then I looked at the bonds, unable to even find the ones I needed in their respective points in time and gave up. Fuck even attempting to get the Red Hare; the difficulty of this game seems beyond artificial. The way they literally tell you "if it's a blue engagement, you're winning without interference" and then that not being the case sucks.

I've been thinking back to previous DW games in terms of what happens if you don't engage. Squad captains apparently hold a value that influence battle if you're away from the area, so an officer vs 5 unit captains has a certain outcome, which is why I always run around killing squad leaders at the very least. Then I remember some DW game having spawn gate captains you could kill to stop the flood, which became more important than squad leaders.. It's a mess.

I bought Samurai Warriors 5. It's almost too scripted and mechanically complex but I do like the way the map is parted up in influence zones you.. influence, by killing shit. And it also has the spawn gate captains to take over a spawn point. Iunno what I expect of the DW3 remaster, but I'll probably accept it, given it runs well and has -some- QoL changes from DW:O which seems to be the case.

Anyone tried Abyss? Is it just complete slop?
 
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