🐍 In the Clock Tower KingCobraJFS / Josh Saunders - Amateur musician, YouTube Streamer, wandmaker, and self-proclaimed "sexy goth badboy". Perpetually circling the drain.

[Paul Revere Pantry Raider]

Are there any channels that have archives of the gothic king cobra era and videos from when he was living with Clint?

I posted this many, many pages ago. There's nearly two hundred videos from that era.

https://archive.org/details/my-life-story-so-far/

 

[Slim Boglim]

what is Cobes unironically best album?

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Hell’s Advocate followed by Love and Vanity.

 

[themidsmoker]

I called heart failure in sleep.

"I called it."

 

[Butt Fucker]

Wyoming has laws against just this. So Clint doesn't need to be the one to pursue it. It would be up to the Attorney General if they would want to pursue any criminal charges.
At the very least some kind of change to delivery service would happen as a result.
Which could prevent this from happening to someone else in the future.
Maybe call it Josh's law.

Can I get a statute? I am genuinely curious and not doing legal research outside of work.

I think seeing logs and logs of these fags laughing and hoping he’ll die during the stream is evidence they were sending him it with intent he kill himself. But it’s a moot point to speculate, let the authorities decide.

I’m starting to side eye everyone coming in like “nuh uh there’s no way I- I mean they can be prosecuted.” If ever there was a time to listen to a woman, now’s it: they can. And if it’s determined by the cops they have evidence and names, they will. America for all its faults gets off on being law and order. If there is evidence that certain people sending him liquor contributed to his death, well. Sorry, toobz. Maybe think next time you endanger another person’s life.

Between “1st degree murder” and “innocent” are a ton of other levels of prosecution. If it’s bad enough, it’s not even in Clint’s hands. If the PTB determine that there is a gang of assholes murdering humans by proxy, you’re done.

Clink clink baby. Better go clean up your browser history (not that it matters, but how many Cobra haters you think have shit on their hard drive they definitely don’t want the authorities to see? He hated sickos after all)

Stunning argument, counselor.

 

[Slim Boglim]

Is “can the trolls be held legally accountable?” Going to be the new “should Clint put Josh in a group home?”

 

[Blurst]

Actual bars and liquor stores and their employees have been found guilty for providing alcohol that led to a death as well as held liable in civil suits for wrongful death. While the situation has to be fairly extreme to be criminal, but if you actively and publicly gloat about how much you want to harm someone by doing something, then do it, and then they die of it, there are decent odds they take that more seriously than just providing alcohol to an alcoholic and then they get cirrhosis.

Way different scenario. A bar can be liable when someone is over served and the goes and hurts someone else, and they should have know that was likely to happen.

I've ran through it before but nothing is ever going to happen in court, civil or criminal. Cobra's conduct was completely voluntary and didn't have any legal status as incompetent or not in charge of his own decisions.

What you're both referring to is Dram Shop Liability.

Quick AI sperg:
Dram shop liability is a civil law that holds commercial alcohol providers responsible for damages caused by intoxicated or underage patrons. It applies when an establishment negligently serves alcohol to a customer who is already intoxicated or underage, and that customer then causes harm. Harm can include injuries, death, or damages from alcohol-related accidents.

The keyword is commercial. While Doordash could fall into that category, does it apply to somome in their own home?

Probably not, but with the rise of alcohol delivery maybe the laws need to be clarified and updated.

How can a bar cut you off, but doordash will drop off alcohol as long they can scan your ID and disregarding your intoxication level. Seems to be a lot of room for lawyers to pick that apart.

 

[Judy's Baked Apple Pies]

To absolutely no one's surprise, Laurel is refusing to acknowledge Josh's death and continues to deny knowing who Josh and Clint even are. Everytime anyone ever comments on her channel it's always a reference or about something related to the Cobraverse. Nobody ever actually tunes in because they're interested in her cooking. She mostly refuses to acknowledge any comments and if she does comment she comments about her cooking. Honestly, I'm surprised she hasn't just disabled comments entirely.

 

[Blurst]

Wyoming has laws against just this. So Clint doesn't need to be the one to pursue it. It would be up to the Attorney General if they would want to pursue any criminal charges.
At the very least some kind of change to delivery service would happen as a result.
Which could prevent this from happening to someone else in the future.
Maybe call it Josh's law.

Can I get a statute? I am genuinely curious and not doing legal research outside of work.

According to AI:
Wyoming has a very limited form of dram shop liability, as generally, legally provided alcohol does not create liability for damages caused by an intoxicated person.

It only seems to go after people who serve mineors.

 

[mars]

A grocery store can be held to follow Dram shop laws too, which is why Cobes got banned from Albertsons actually. Well he got banned for arguing about it with them but still. I agree the law should be updated, but I doubt this case is going to be the one that does it. Nor do I think it's possible to hold any individuals liable for whatever they sent to Cobes. Fortunately there's a little solace in knowing whatever mental illness causes someone to send everclear to an alcoholic should serve to make their lives pretty terrible.

 

[titty nigga]

Its crazy how many people think its completely fine for a retard with substance abuse to drink himself to death because ”thats what he wanted”. What fucking addict wouldnt want to abuse their substance of choice? ”He didnt want help”, well obviously he doesnt fucking know whats best for him. He havent brushed his teeth since he was a minor because his dad cant force him anymore, that itself is a huge red flag that this guy should have more suppport and guidance in his daily life. As son as he turned 18 and became a legal adult it went downhill. Its just sad.

From what I've seen, most people didn't think it was fine, but there just isn't very much anybody could've done about it apart from clint trying to strongarm him into accepting more support and guidance, which imo probably would've just lead to cobes telling him to fuck off and putting himself in a worse situation than he already was. Even Larson was allowed to just pack up and leave his group home. I know most people here realize he probably should've had someone around to help him out, but I doubt he was considered low-functioning enough for someone to force him to let them, I don't really know what Wyoming's standards are for that though. Even if he was, he would've fought it every step of the way. Like, it's sad and fucked up, but really what could've been done without trying to completely take his autonomy away?

 

[Ignatius von Cistern]

How can a bar cut you off, but doordash will drop off alcohol as long they can scan your ID and disregarding your intoxication level. Seems to be a lot of room for lawyers to pick that apart.

Nanny state argument. The meat is in the people ordering him booze while interacting with his videos. They probably have content celebrating how drunk he gets and that's the evidence you need to collect in order to convict.

The door-dash guy is just a courier, he doesn't have a liquor license and is not responsible for what he's carrying other than carrying it from A to B on time.

 

[Butt Fucker]

What you're both referring to is Dram Shop Liability.

Quick AI sperg:
Dram shop liability is a civil law that holds commercial alcohol providers responsible for damages caused by intoxicated or underage patrons. It applies when an establishment negligently serves alcohol to a customer who is already intoxicated or underage, and that customer then causes harm. Harm can include injuries, death, or damages from alcohol-related accidents.

The keyword is commercial. While Doordash could fall into that category, does it apply to somome in their own home?

Probably not, but with the rise of alcohol delivery maybe the laws need to be clarified and updated.

How can a bar cut you off, but doordash will drop off alcohol as long they can scan your ID and disregarding your intoxication level. Seems to be a lot of room for lawyers to pick that apart.

I am aware of the concept and it's different in the way I explained earlier. It's not about harm to the consumer, it's harm to othe people because the drunk goes and causes an accident.

I thought you had a Wyoming statute tho

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

How can a bar cut you off, but doordash will drop off alcohol as long they can scan your ID and disregarding your intoxication level.

The site's alcohol policy does state that they won't deliver to someone who is intoxicated, but realistically how many Doordash contractors are going to risk an argument (or much worse) with someone drunk?

They're definitely not paid remotely well enough, have zero employment protections, and without any other evidence it'd be almost impossible to prove they broke the law anyways even under the lower standards for civil vs. criminal cases. Plus you're in a lot more vulnerable position at someone's house vs. an employee at a bar or liquor store where there are other customers and workers.

I think the simplest solution is to ban delivery of hard liquor. At least here that's not allowed, just beer, wine and other <20% ABV drinks.

 

[Blurst]

Nanny state argument. The meat is in the people ordering him booze while interacting with his videos. They probably have content celebrating how drunk he gets and that's the evidence you need to collect in order to convict.

The door-dash guy is just a courier, he doesn't have a liquor license and is not responsible for what he's carrying other than carrying it from A to B on time.

I agree that delivery person does't have a liquor liscense and legally couldn't be liable. But that shows a huge legal loophole.

If I own a liquor store and sell a bottle and the person later gets in a accident I could be liable.

If I own a liquor store and a doordasher comes in gets a bottle, delivers it and the person later gets in accident I'm not liable.

That's pretty wild how adding a courier absolves my business. I think delivery laws will catch up eventually. Sadly a lot more people are going to have to die before it happens.

They're now arresting drug dealers after people OD and die. Now they just need to apply it to alcohol..

 

[CircusCat]

Can I get a statute? I am genuinely curious and not doing legal research outside of work.

Exploitation of a vulnerable adult (Wyoming Statutes § 35‑20‑102)

 

[Blurst]

I am aware of the concept and it's different in the way I explained earlier. It's not about harm to the consumer, it's harm to othe people because the drunk goes and causes an accident.

I thought you had a Wyoming statute tho

I wasn't the one talking about the statute. I responded earlier with Wyoming Dram Shop rules but here it is again:

Wyoming has a very limited form of dram shop liability, as generally, legally provided alcohol does not create liability for damages caused by an intoxicated person.

 

[pooterino]

Is “can the trolls be held legally accountable?” Going to be the new “should Clint put Josh in a group home?”

"Does anyone else want rapemurder teh trolls for Cobra!? How to sexhurt Reddit/Discord users, amirite???"

As much as we all despise the glasstappers, especially those who helped the boy die ain't shit gonna happen to bring him back. At this point that if the cops are aware of the low possibility of him being poisoned by fucking seeds that they've thought about how alcohol might have killed him.

It's more important that we remember the good times. Like Cobra wearing the lean-green-peen-machine briefs on camera repeatedly. Leading to Chauncey's coining of the phrase "all balls Saunders."

I'll spare you all the sight of him 80% hard in the green undies but...remember when he sold them? https://kiwifarms.net/threads/kingcobrajfs-josh-saunders.22713/post-8848965

Imagine buying the GothicKingCobra underwear signed by "Jealm Saundemex" himself. That person has a one-of-a-kind artifact on their hands. Lol, jesus

 

[Ignatius von Cistern]

I agree that delivery person does't have a liquor liscense and legally couldn't be liable. But that shows a huge legal loophole.

If I own a liquor store and sell a bottle and the person later gets in a accident I could be liable.

If I own a liquor store and a doordasher comes in gets a bottle, delivers it and the person later gets in accident I'm not liable.

That's pretty wild how adding a courier absolves my business. I think delivery laws will catch up eventually. Sadly a lot more people are going to have to die before it happens.

They're now arresting drug dealers after people OD and die. Now they just need to apply it to alcohol..

The stipulation is that Joshes trolls ordered him booze so that he hurts himself on camera and stated as such in public or private messaging. That's a criminal conspiracy.

A booze store, selling booze to a booze hound is not the same thing. And they already have cut-off rules.

Laundering responsibility via door delivery is a loophole, but what are you going to do? Seriously?

The solution is fascistic and bear with me, you're not going to like it. Promote a sober lifestyle. Hold up a normal hetero family as the essence of what is desired. Print it on stamps, currency and flags.

It won't eradicate drunkedness, but it will at least hold up an ideal.

Americans don't have ideals besides diversity.

 

[A-Stump]

Josh to me seems like the kind of person who'd get the alcohol somewhere one way or another so in the end does it really matter? The guy was funny but he was booze soaked. I wouldn't put it past him to be the kind of guy who would have drank mouthwash just to be drunk.

Also it seemed like one of the things he truly wanted in life was to have his own personal agency and now everyone is treating him like some kid who didn't know any better. He did know better. He said several times his lifestyle was going to kill him.

 

[harmacist]

nobody is going to subpoena reddit and doordash to get payment information or names. statutes or not its unrealistic, especially considering the investigation that would be involved. the only person who can be held criminally responsible is that pig jessica, and thats only if the tox report comes back with some weird shit going on. we would all like to hold those reddit faggots accountable but i just dont see it happening.