KF Guide to Woke Games

[LazyLizard]

This didn't sit very well with one twitter user, who is also a wheelchair user. She was upset that a character was depicted as hating his disability and hating his chair, because to her her chair is not a negative, yada yada.
The game devs eventually published an apology and vowed to do better. They went ahead and changed the story of the character completely, despite the fact that the story was based on a real human's experience with his disability and his chair.

fucking tumblrtards, a disability is a disability for a reason, if you've lost a limb you would want it back, if you can't walk then you wish you could, if you lost your sights you wish you could see, just because this person is ok with their disability doesn't mean the VAST majority wouldn't want to be fixed. even if the vast majority were ok with their disabilities this character isn't. these people have such a main character syndrome, everything is based on them and if it doesn't fit them it's wrong.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

fucking tumblrtards, a disability is a disability for a reason, if you've lost a limb you would want it back, if you can't walk then you wish you could, if you lost your sights you wish you could see, just because this person is ok with their disability doesn't mean the VAST majority wouldn't want to be fixed. even if the vast majority were ok with their disabilities this character isn't. these people have such a main character syndrome, everything is based on them and if it doesn't fit them it's wrong.

It's not just that, but the fact that a disability is a hindrance to everyone around the person. Sane people would feel bad merely for seeing how everyone else need to acclimate for them. But in modern clown world it's all sociopaths that see being unable to walk as a fair price to pay to get more updoots via victim points.

 

[NarkDigger]

I don't get it either. It's really fucking stupid but I've seen a lot of weird claims about a handful of Disney villains CLEARLY being hecking gay icons. Scar, Ursula, Jafar and even the clearly heterosexual Frollo from Hunchback are the villains I remember off the top of my head that are queer coded.

I mean it more in the sense, why would they want to identify themselves with evil? It's almost like another one of the masks off moments like "no actually, we don't want to be accepted into your civilisation. We want to destroy it and we think it's funny"

Makes sense to me, doesn't make sense to trannies because they NEED to be visibly trans. It's not about being a woman, it's about being better than a woman etc.

If trans women are real women, then every woman in the game is a trans representation. Why would you ask for your representation to be visibly trans?

 

[Cactuar King]

I love how the dudes look like this:
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But the women look like this:
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You can just tell the artist is some fat fucking fujo lmao

The men are pinheads.

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

I mean it more in the sense, why would they want to identify themselves with evil? It's almost like another one of the masks off moments like "no actually, we don't want to be accepted into your civilisation. We want to destroy it and we think it's funny"

No you don't understand, the good guys are the REAL villains and the original villains are heckin smol beans doing the best they can and subverting tropes

 

[PetiteFeet]

The owl form is a cool way of doing that in-world and dealing with disability in the story. I'd be fine with a disabled character in a fantasy setting using a flying carpet or golem legs to carry them around or something.

Exactly, the owl form was a great way to express the emotions of the character.
If I were to play a disabled character in a fantasy setting, I would actively try to make the handicap seem like a quirk you'd play around with, rather than play against. I would want the DM to, not outright punish because that's the wrong wording, encourage the storytelling with the handicap in mind. I don't want a setting that's handicap-friendly, with ramps and shit.
Magic legs or mechanical legs sounds way more fun than a normal-ass wheelchair.

Why be boring and "realistic" when you're in an escapist, fantastical setting. Come on. Have some fun with it!

Why would you ask for your representation to be visibly trans?

because if they aren't visibly trans, they aren't trans. It's a weird identity thing, and a narcissistic identity thing at that, because they want to use their trans identity as a cudgel. It's not about acceptance and blending in, it never was.

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

If I were to play a disabled character in a fantasy setting, I would actively try to make the handicap seem like a quirk you'd play around with, rather than play against. I would want the DM to, not outright punish because that's the wrong wording, encourage the storytelling with the handicap in mind. I don't want a setting that's handicap-friendly, with ramps and shit.
Magic legs or mechanical legs sounds way more fun than a normal-ass wheelchair.

Or if the world HAS to have ramps and shit, make it dominated by a legless species. Crawling worms or snake people or something. They wouldn't build stairs because they can't use them. Like in the Underdark where all the native species have darkvision or echolocation or are fine being blind, it's dark, so having normal eyes doesn't give any advantage.
It's the problem of real world and very culture and time bound issues clashing with the setting. I've talked about this before but the troon in Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear and the non binary woman in Dragon Age: Veilguard pissed me off for the same reason. You can literally change sex with magic, why wouldn't they just say "I want to be a woman/man, help me gather potion ingredients or piss off a wizard so he curses me". They talk like 2010s Tumblr users instead of like someone who'd always lived in that world and only had that world as a frame of reference.

Actually in Baldur's Gate 1, you can do a quest to kill "an ogre with a belt fetish" and raid his belt collection, which includes a Cursed Girdle of Masculinity/Femininity that makes the wearer change sex. Literally hunting AGPs for their troon gear, it's hilarious.

 

[Scream Aim Fire]

I don't understand one thing. Those are supposed to be the bad guys. Why would 'media literacy' people want characters meant to be evil for the sake of it as their little hecking gay icons?

It's because the woke want everything to be a hugbox; EVERYTHING must be about them and their fetishistic/hedonistic worldviews, and the only people that're truly evil, in their eyes, are the "straight white Christian male" stereotypes that they brainwash themselves to hate. It's a cult mentality, plain and simple.

It's another thing I genuinely do not understand in media in general. You want to be disabled in D&D and have a normal ass wheelchair? Why not just cure your handicap with magic or a potion.

I think the only fantasy game that I remember, off the top of my head, that actually handled the topic of a disabled character well was AdventureQuest. Sage Uldor, one of the major characters, is a man that was born blind; the game and story actually bring up that there were potential treatments for his blindness in lore. Thing is, his disability was explicitly supernatural in nature, and implied to be tied to his (somewhat limited) future sight abilities; friends and family tried countless times to fix his vision, but nothing would ever last, and his body is too old and frail nowadays to keep up with the treatments anymore regardless. Nonetheless, he does his best to support you and the rest of the cast, albeit strictly in a non-combatant role most of the time, and the game goes at lengths to discuss issues that he faces.

In sci-fi games, meanwhile, we have Hugh Darrow, from Deus Ex: Human Revolution. The main creator and progenitor of mechanical augmentation, Darrow himself is noted to not have any augs installed, instead still making use of a leg brace and cane whilst also missing an arm. There's two main reasons for this, and both of which tie heavily into his motives; the main reason is that he has an extremely rare genetic condition that makes his body violently reject any and all attempts at modification, meaning he can't benefit from any of his own creations. The other, is that he wants to stop a conspiracy to control the human race through augmentation, via sending out a specific signal that drives every augmented individual insane; trying to warn the world of the dangers of excessive augmentation, essentially.

I think the main issue with how the woke handle disabilities is that... there's never any attempts at justification, worldbuilding, anything, that would justify why a character is still disabled when treatments are available. Both examples I mentioned above address why the characters are still crippled in a world where treatments are a thing, and the disabilities both help shape the characters and motivations, rather than simply being a trait that's tacked on. By contrast, the woke shove disabled characters in a setting for the sole purpose of their fetish fantasies; it's not representation, it's hedonism.

 

[LazyLizard]

In sci-fi games, meanwhile, we have Hugh Darrow, from Deus Ex: Human Revolution. The main creator and progenitor of mechanical augmentation, Darrow himself is noted to not have any augs installed, instead still making use of a leg brace and cane whilst also missing an arm. There's two main reasons for this, and both of which tie heavily into his motives; the main reason is that he has an extremely rare genetic condition that makes his body violently reject any and all attempts at modification, meaning he can't benefit from any of his own creations. The other, is that he wants to stop a conspiracy to control the human race through augmentation, via sending out a specific signal that drives every augmented individual insane; trying to warn the world of the dangers of excessive augmentation, essentially.

on the topic on Deus Ex Human Revolution, could you imagine if that tumblrtards had gotten their claws on it, instead of getting augments after that terrorist attack they would have let Adam stay a limbless vegetable

 

[Scream Aim Fire]

on the topic on Deus Ex Human Revolution, could you imagine if that tumblrtards had gotten their claws on it, instead of getting augments after that terrorist attack they would have let Adam stay a limbless vegetable

Bit funny, given that I remember tumblrtards back in the day being on the opposite spectrum; all the augments, no flesh, obsessive need to make themselves "better" than the normal people.
Given that Human Revolution and its sequel (Mankind Divided) are fairly woke-coded (first game treated augs akin to abortion, talking about "anti-augs" bombing clinics and such because they view augmentation as unnatural; second game tries to compared the treatment of augmented people in the same way as racial minority shit), it's all the more notable.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

In the original pen-and-paper Cyberpunk 2020, medical tech is advanced enough to allow for sex changes to include genetic resequencing, actually changing biological sex. It also was that way in William Gibson’s writing, so it’s actually quite anti-woke.

In cyberpunk fiction, nobody has to be forced to pretend a linebacker in a skirt is a real woman.

As horrifying as real life HRT and SRS are, I think if it were truly possible to change biological sex, that's probably even worse. More dystopian.

That would actually be a dream come true for the LGBTQ, to actually be able to do that. That such a situation is deeply dystopian would fly over their heads.

The ability to change any aspect of yourself willy nilly is actually very dystopian if you think about it, especially if you factor in unintended consequences. I think in many other cyberpunk or other dystopian sci-fi settings, many people even go as far as to intentionally hack off limbs so they can replace it with super dooper cool robot prosthetics or something.

 

[Newcomer 42]

Troons are already insane, so suffering from mental side effects from changing your gender wouldn't matter. Plus if it was possible to indeed change genders, the alphabet cult would die off or switch to something more extreme, like turning into literal furries.

 

[Scream Aim Fire]

As horrifying as real life HRT and SRS are, I think if it were truly possible to change biological sex, that's probably even worse. More dystopian.

That would actually be a dream come true for the LGBTQ, to actually be able to do that. That such a situation is deeply dystopian would fly over their heads.

The ability to change any aspect of yourself willy nilly is actually very dystopian if you think about it, especially if you factor in unintended consequences. I think in many other cyberpunk or other dystopian sci-fi settings, many people even go as far as to intentionally hack off limbs so they can replace it with super dooper cool robot prosthetics or something.

Troons are already insane, so suffering from mental side effects from changing your gender wouldn't matter. Plus if it was possible to indeed change genders, the alphabet cult would die off or switch to something more extreme, like turning into literal furries.

Remember that gendercultists don't care about turning themselves into the opposite sex; they WANT to look like malformed freaks, remember? MTF ones in particular; they want to look ugly, because beauty is a horrible thing to them and everything must cater to their oppression fetish. Even in a hypothetical scenario where perfect gender change shit existed, these freaks would still look for ways to mess themselves up, because (to paraphrase); it's not about looking like the opposite sex, it's about "being better" than the opposite sex. Furries wouldn't even be the most extreme; they'd make themselves look like Lovecraftian horrors just so they can say they're "oppressed" or "special".

 

[PetiteFeet]

on the topic on Deus Ex Human Revolution, could you imagine if that tumblrtards had gotten their claws on it, instead of getting augments after that terrorist attack they would have let Adam stay a limbless vegetable

Slap some Adam Jensen glasses on the trans nugget.

 

[regalterry]

That would actually be a dream come true for the LGBTQ, to actually be able to do that. That such a situation is deeply dystopian would fly over their heads.

The fun part is that most fantasy and sci-fi settings apply a malus to your character, usually in the context of going insane or losing your souls, the more you modify your body.

In Cyberpunk there's very few people that can cope with most of their body being metal, and you wouldn't really consider them all that sane to begin with. For most the more chrome they have, the more Humanity they lose until they go completely insane. In Shadowrun you lose Essence the more augs you have.

In Deus Ex, people with mechanical augs live miserable lives. In the old lore they were mostly associated with UNATCO and other globohomo letter agencies and viewed with fear and disgust by the population, while in the new lore they're forced to pay for Neuropozyne their whole lives or risk their bodies rejecting the augs.

Messing with your body or brain has always been portrayed as a net negative in cyberpunk, just a further extension of the spiritual death of the self and the breach of the ultimate barrier of the self when you fool yourself into installing augs that mess with your brain.

 

[Gatdam Animal Person]

The owl form is a cool way of doing that in-world and dealing with disability in the story. I'd be fine with a disabled character in a fantasy setting using a flying carpet or golem legs to carry them around or something.

Definitely, though if you go the route of magical artifacts, you also have the side effect of being particuraly vulnerable to anti-magic fields, which adds an extra challenge. Mechanical equivalents are also affected with EMP fields.

Any limbless fellows would go AWWW SHIET whenever they get a new plasma-cannon arm to play around with.

If you really want to go the cripple route, a wizard would make the most sense. You dont swing nor aim, you fireball your way to victory... Or just shield yourself while you 23 skidoo away at ludicrous speeds.

 

[NarkDigger]

The fun part is that most fantasy and sci-fi settings apply a malus to your character, usually in the context of going insane or losing your souls, the more you modify your body.

In Cyberpunk there's very few people that can cope with most of their body being metal, and you wouldn't really consider them all that sane to begin with. For most the more chrome they have, the more Humanity they lose until they go completely insane. In Shadowrun you lose Essence the more augs you have.

In Deus Ex, people with mechanical augs live miserable lives. In the old lore they were mostly associated with UNATCO and other globohomo letter agencies and viewed with fear and disgust by the population, while in the new lore they're forced to pay for Neuropozyne their whole lives or risk their bodies rejecting the augs.

Messing with your body or brain has always been portrayed as a net negative in cyberpunk, just a further extension of the spiritual death of the self and the breach of the ultimate barrier of the self when you fool yourself into installing augs that mess with your brain.

Troons loving cyberpunk reminds me of a meme that went something like: Scientists have just created The Torment Nexus from the hit sci-fi novel called 'Never Create The Torment Nexus'

 

[Dysnomia]

I love how the dudes look like this:
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But the women look like this:
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You can just tell the artist is some fat fucking fujo lmao

Yaoi hands!. Even for the women. Can't say I like the facial expressions. They all look like they are in various states of constipation. Doesn't anyone study anatomy anymore? The actual in-game sprites are very cute. It doesn't gel well with the constipation faces and yaoi hands with small heads. I'd play it for the story even though I hate farm games. But I'd like to have a mod that disables that horrible artwork.

 

[PetiteFeet]

In Cyberpunk there's very few people that can cope with most of their body being metal, and you wouldn't really consider them all that sane to begin with. For most the more chrome they have, the more Humanity they lose until they go completely insane.
Messing with your body or brain has always been portrayed as a net negative in cyberpunk, just a further extension of the spiritual death of the self and the breach of the ultimate barrier of the self when you fool yourself into installing augs that mess with your brain.

One of my favourite side missions in CP2077 was Lizzy Wizzy's
It wasn't super long or super in depth but it poses the question of whether or not Lizzy is still her after her chrome upgrades. She's literally a chrome coloured humanoid when you meet her. She's not visibly full on cyberpsycho unlike a random Maelstrom member, or any of the cyberpsychos you can help stop around NC, but she's not particularly good at hiding how disturbed she actually is.

The same question can be asked of V as the game progresses and depending on how you play, which ending you're going for etc.
Is Johnny Silverhand's engram in your head taking over, is V going cyberpsycho because of the chip/damage caused by the chip.
I really liked the Silverhand takeover ending, although it was a bit jarring because my V was female.

I haven't played the TTRPG or consumed any Cyberpunk content beyond 2077, so I can't really compare the game to the source material, it might be more shallowly written in the game.

Yaoi hands!. Even for the women. Can't say I like the facial expressions. They all look like they are in various states of constipation. Doesn't anyone study anatomy anymore? The actual in-game sprites are very cute. It doesn't gel well with the constipation faces and yaoi hands with small heads. I'd play it for the story even though I hate farm games. But I'd like to have a mod that disables that horrible artwork.

yeah everything but the character portraits is great. The portraits just detract that much from the overall experience. A mod would be the ideal solution and then we'd just have to pray to god there isn't something equally terrible in the rest of the game.

 

[Safir]

I mean it more in the sense, why would they want to identify themselves with evil? It's almost like another one of the masks off moments like "no actually, we don't want to be accepted into your civilisation. We want to destroy it and we think it's funny"

Yes, it's part this (pedos don't want to be accepted because they can't be accepted, they can't CoExi$t)

No you don't understand, the good guys are the REAL villains and the original villains are heckin smol beans doing the best they can and subverting tropes

and part this, "history is written by the victors", stories codify normie morality; the point is to turn "normies are boring" into "normies can't be trusted".

Remember that gendercultists don't care about turning themselves into the opposite sex; they WANT to look like malformed freaks, remember?

^ this. A "good" fictional troon is an androgynous prettyboi they/them: tall, lanky, beardless, full head of hair, looks like a kpop male to women and female enough to at least some men (and because the creature is fictional, you never really know for sure, this is what subversively sells the idea). Instead, troon "androgynes" are unshaved horrors in skirts and lipstick and fat balding dwarves. How is it supposed to convince anyone? (It isn't, it's humiliation/demoralization.)