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Solid recommendation. Made by one dude. Super fun game and the first area music is fire and the general music of the game is pretty good. Although fuck the castle puzzles.
JRPG General - Video games were never meant to be shorter than 50 hours.
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I am currently playing Chrono Trigger and it's the only thing besides the Berserk manga that I ever experienced and could agree that it deserves all the reverence and hype it gets. I've had more free time than usual recently but don't know what to play next so I'll leave it up to a vote.
Like for Chrono Cross, Agree for Xenogears, Lol for Final Fantasy VI
Like for Chrono Cross, Agree for Xenogears, Lol for Final Fantasy VI
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Felt the same when I played it a couple years ago. It's so finely crafted, doesn't matter that it's an old SNES game, it was clearly GOTY material when it released. The pacing is fantastic, so is the music, the story, and the characters. It's proof that you don't need modern slop if you don't want it, there is a lifetime's worth of good material in the past just waiting to be dug up and emulated.
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It's also extremely well balanced for a JRPG of this time period. Usually you'd have a party member left off to the wayside but I only beat the final boss because I swapped out a party member with one I rarely used. Also group techs are sick as hell and the only JRPG I know to have done this is Grandia Xtreme.
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Why do so many speds think remakes and remasters are being done by the main teams? They farm that shit out or use them to train rookie teams for real stuff later on.
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I just finished Chrono Trigger, pretty sure I did all the side quests so I didn't miss any parts of the story. It's a 10/10, easily not just one of the best RPGs I've ever played but one of the best games I've ever played. I don't think I could possibly shower it in enough praise because even though I don't think it's the absolute best in any specific category, it hits the sweet spot in all of them. I will be going back and getting the different endings later because I want to experience it again in the future but for now I'm moving onto Xenogears since that won the vote.
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There's currently a fan patch in progress that improves the translation, fixes bugs, and has some other gameplay tweaks. I've been putting off my replay of XG until they finish it.
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I keep forgetting to plate Fate Extra CCC translation patch, though pretty sure it's having a remake done.
If you are going for PS1 classics, Valkyria Profile is a must. The second game is also really good.
I never trust those fan patches to not shit up the translation and gameplay. It doesn't even matter that much when part of the issue is the devs putting half the story into sources outside the game
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They've got a wiki documenting the various changes.
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That's just Fate/Extra unfortunately, which is just kind of an okay game. It's gonna be nice to have a combat system that isn't literally rock paper scissors. It was the first Nasuverse thing I've ever read/played and i was surprisingly underwhelmed by the story for it so hopefully the remake lets you do more.
The OST is also bangin which is a surprise because it came from one of the guys who made the shitty Xenosaga 2 OST.
I'm also seconding the patch too. XG's translation is good considering that one guy worked on it but it isn't perfect and needed a once over by some autistically dedicated fans. The gameplay also getting a rebalance is welcome because it gets ridiculously stale by end of Disc 1 into Disc 2.
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I mean, if it was made over 25 years ago and is only getting a fan translation now then it can't be that bad, right?
I'm gonna give it a try and just play the fan patch when it comes out if I enjoy it.
How is Xenosaga by the way? Are those games worth playing?
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The game's translation has always had a reputation of being rough, but I'd reckon attempting a retranslation is a pretty daunting task. The script is huge -- it's the type of game where you're gonna be reading text during cut scenes for 30+ minutes at a time. Not even that patch is an actual retranslation, it sounds more like they're just polishing it.
Xenosaga is meh. I really liked the first game but after that a lot of behind the scenes fuckery messed up the series. I've been waiting for someone to translate the DS remake of Episodes 1 & 2, since that version of Episode 2 is supposed to more closely match what was originally intended.
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Xenosaga 1 is probably one of my favorites from the Xeno series and Xenosaga 3 is a great game despite having to follow after and course correct after how bad Xenosaga 2 was. Xenosaga 2 is the worst game in the series to the point where I'd argue your time is better spent watching the cutscenes off YouTube instead of playing the game itself, the gameplay the Saga trilogy was never anything to write home about but Saga 2's gameplay is just fucking awful. The story for the trilogy is interesting but you have to be the type to be able to sit for 30+ minutes just watching cutscenes at times without having any gameplay. Shion is also a top tier protagonist and people who hate her got filtered hard.
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Now I can agree with the rest of your post but I am absolutely not endorsing this part. I am gonna need an explanation.
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After the Ryza games, I've been slowly working my way through the rest of the Atelier series. It's been a lot of fun so far (aside from Yumia, which was a bit of a slog). Haven't gotten to the ones with time limits and multiple endings yet, so fingers crossed with those ones.
Along with that, I also played Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth, Hacker's Memory, and Time Stranger this. More very fun games.
Along with that, I also played Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth, Hacker's Memory, and Time Stranger this. More very fun games.
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It's been a while since I had gone through the series so forgive me if I'm wrong on certain parts here, but I always found Shion to be interesting as a protagonist and I feel like most people disliking her and what she does in 3 to be a result of the poor pacing brought about from the series having to half its length because of how shit Xenosaga 2 did. There wasn't really a whole lot of time to let things breathe and they kind of justify it with the time skip in 3 but I would've loved more time to let things simmer. This also won't be my full thoughts as there's a lot to say about Shion and my memories are muddling things a bit. I definitely don't think Shion is for everyone, but god I couldn't imagine Xenosaga without her, or with her taking a backseat to KOS-MOS.
I don't hate the standard JRPG protagonist at all, but I feel like Xenosaga (as well as Xenogears) wouldn't benefit from having one at ALL. In matter of fact, it'd probably make those games' stories worse in some way. Shion was somebody who really didn't take shit from anybody, she'd actively threaten the lives of people around her to get her way which is probably the most she could do considering she's practically just an engineer stuck in a cosmic situation with her ex-boyfriend's murder robot.
Xenosaga 3 Shion is somebody who is at the end of their mental rope and the parts where the game explore her backstory are probably the best parts of the trilogy next to some parts in Saga 1. I think she can be a whiny bitch at times, but considering all she's gone through, it's partially justified. I don't think a character is bad or terrible because they're whiny, it's just if they're only exclusively whiny when it becomes a problem. I don't expect a 20 something year old mentally-ill scientist to handle any of this shit well or normally or in any stoic fashion. She does absolutely develop and change between Saga 1 and Saga 3 though.
What most people hate Shion for was probably when she heel-turned in Xenosaga 3 for her ex-boyfriend for a total of like 30 seconds. I don't particularly love this decision either and it's probably the dumbest that she ever gets. I will say that she went through a considerably high about of shit in this game and she wasn't ever the most mentally stable even back in Xenosaga 1. If Shion had more time with Kevin before the heelturn I could see it but as it is now, it doesn't really work for me.
I don't hate Shulk at all, but having him fall more in line with other JRPG protagonists instead of being something like Fei and Shion kind of hurt a bit when I was playing Xenoblade. I always liked the fact that the Xeno series up until this point had complex protagonists who didn't always do the right thing all of the time.
I don't hate the standard JRPG protagonist at all, but I feel like Xenosaga (as well as Xenogears) wouldn't benefit from having one at ALL. In matter of fact, it'd probably make those games' stories worse in some way. Shion was somebody who really didn't take shit from anybody, she'd actively threaten the lives of people around her to get her way which is probably the most she could do considering she's practically just an engineer stuck in a cosmic situation with her ex-boyfriend's murder robot.
Xenosaga 3 Shion is somebody who is at the end of their mental rope and the parts where the game explore her backstory are probably the best parts of the trilogy next to some parts in Saga 1. I think she can be a whiny bitch at times, but considering all she's gone through, it's partially justified. I don't think a character is bad or terrible because they're whiny, it's just if they're only exclusively whiny when it becomes a problem. I don't expect a 20 something year old mentally-ill scientist to handle any of this shit well or normally or in any stoic fashion. She does absolutely develop and change between Saga 1 and Saga 3 though.
What most people hate Shion for was probably when she heel-turned in Xenosaga 3 for her ex-boyfriend for a total of like 30 seconds. I don't particularly love this decision either and it's probably the dumbest that she ever gets. I will say that she went through a considerably high about of shit in this game and she wasn't ever the most mentally stable even back in Xenosaga 1. If Shion had more time with Kevin before the heelturn I could see it but as it is now, it doesn't really work for me.
I don't hate Shulk at all, but having him fall more in line with other JRPG protagonists instead of being something like Fei and Shion kind of hurt a bit when I was playing Xenoblade. I always liked the fact that the Xeno series up until this point had complex protagonists who didn't always do the right thing all of the time.
Apparently they did a full rerelease of the Ryza games with extra content. Are those games actually worth playing now?
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I haven't played the DX versions, and I probably won't for a good while, unless they go massively on sale. If you haven't played the Ryza games, though, you should definitely check them out. Though maybe wait a bit for them to patch the games. The steam forums say that they're kind of buggy right now.
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Rock Paper Scissors with statistics though, I remember it was pretty tactical gambling on what moves the enemy would make. And yeah the OST was great.
Xenosaga 1 was awesome, also the first time I discovered on the bullshit that was PAL and NTSC that would haunt me for years as a part of the Euro. The only thing I remember from 2 was the battles taking incredibly long. 3 was amazing and really nailed the gameplay and the robot battles. I also remember it had a fantastic minigame. As for Shion, she was more interesting than the usual for the genre (which has some absolutely trash protagonists), but I really hated that they redesigned her from her cute glasses scientist look into generic anime girl.
I really liked the first, but I absolutely loathed the second. Don't know how the third is. First game is still worth it.
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That means you're different than 99% of JRPG consumers, especially if the character is a woman.
I am not saying this from a woke perspective, to be perfectly clear. It's just been my observation that most people who say they want complex characters are liars. I respect your opinion on this matter; I played all three Xenosaga games to completion but it was all so long ago that my memories are fuzzy.
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Yeah I probably thought it was way more annoying because I played Caster who could take a grand total of 2 hits before dying. I felt my inner
come out when the enemy got 3 right in a row because I guessed wrong.XS1's designs were so good and I hate that they seemingly got rid of the Gears' character designer to make them more realistic in XS2. XS3 was probably the best course correction ever but I have a hard time believing that Shion could ever pull off the "sexy" look, especially after like a 1-2 year time skip. The mech designs only got better though.
I think when people say they want complex characters, they never realize that they could act in a way that the player might dislike. Unlikable characters aren't necessarily bad.