💊 Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

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Sweetpeaa said:
What I'll never understand. Is what was with his flirtation with the American far right a couple years ago?


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I know ''pepe'' was kind of a troll meme for 18-25 year olds and rather benign but Peterson seemed to be rather attracted to these type of internet fringe movements.

Being an out spoken critic of transgenders and freedom of speech restrictions is fine, but you shouldn't have to team up with this crowd to get your message expressed unless of course you're looking at them for financial backing (which he was).
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What part of it don't you understand? You seem to give answers to your own questions.

And shouldn't have to team up? It was obvious they tried to get him fired, fined and shut up, up to an including considerable neighborhood campaigns if we are to believe the guy posting here earlier (I believe it).

Final note: they can't both be fringe movements and help you get significant financial / eyeball backing. Either it's fringe or it is popular.
 
Sweetpeaa said:
What I'll never understand. Is what was with his flirtation with the American far right a couple years ago?
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Sweetpeaa said:
Jordan has been catering to the MGTOW and incel community for quite a few years now. He has had to satisfy these men's fragile ego's that the problem isn't them, but feminists. He got most of his star power from them and the corporations that love his message of ''bootstraps and a clean room'' for a whole new generation.
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Here's your answer. Now clean your fucking room.
 
Lemmingwise said:
What part of it don't you understand? You seem to give answers to your own questions.

And shouldn't have to team up? It was obvious they tried to get him fired, fined and shut up, up to an including considerable neighborhood campaigns if we are to believe the guy posting here earlier (I believe it).

Final note: they can't both be fringe movements and help you get significant financial / eyeball backing. Either it's fringe or it is popular.
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If he felt confident enough in his own ideas and ability to sell a book he wouldn't need to be propped up by any particular group or movement. This new book is much of the same thing, call it the sequel, except Peterson is in a much more decrepit state.
 
Sweetpeaa said:
If he felt confident enough in his own ideas
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Fantastical fairy tale thinking. There are good books written everyday that barely anyone finds or buys. Publicity is far more important than the quality of the work.

Sweetpeaa said:
This new book is much of the same thing
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What parts of the book did you like and which did you dislike?
 
Sweetpeaa said:
I know ''pepe'' was kind of a troll meme for 18-25 year olds and rather benign but Peterson seemed to be rather attracted to these type of internet fringe movements.
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He's spoken about this a lot, it's because the right was using identity politics to make fun of the post-modernists who he hates.

He also wasn't popular among hard core "alt-right" people, they made fun of the lobster and clean your room stuff just like the liberals do.

Jimjamflimflam said:
Because the "far right" (lmao) was one of the social groups that took a liking to his ideas and gave him support back.
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Who specifically?... I think you find it's the opposite.
 
Sweetpeaa said:
Jordan has been catering to the MGTOW and incel community for quite a few years now. He has had to satisfy these men's fragile ego's that the problem isn't them, but feminists. He got most of his star power from them and the corporations that love his message of ''bootstraps and a clean room'' for a whole new generation.
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hot hot leg said:
Here's your answer. Now clean your fucking room.
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I don't quite follow the mental gymnastics here. Peterson is catering to fragile Incel and MGTOW egos... by telling them they need to correct their own failings, before blaming it on something or someone else? Quoting the tremendously autistic Incel wiki:
Despite his short rhetoric on 'enforced monogamy', Jordan's ideas and lectures had poor reception on various incel communities. Mostly because of his 'muh bootstraps' and chadsplaining rhetoric, blaming MGTOWs and incels for their own sexual failure (most of the time), even when incels have tried what society has offered them to improve themselves.
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Validity of the ideas aside, this take on them doesn't make much sense to me. It seems to echo the far-left rags that claimed he was catering to "incels and MGTOWs" by way of him arguing that marriage ("enforced monogamy") was good and healthy, even though marriage is a concept those groups really seem to hate.
Also, as an evolutionary realist, Peterson also essentially argues that incels/MGTOWs are untermensch who are being purged by natural (mating) selection.
 
marfusha said:
He actually shifts blame a lot though. Dude literally said that men play too much videogames cause society finds them useless.
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I do think Peterson appeals to some Incels because he thinks culture has shifted in a way that is negative to productive behaviors (this is the old definition of "reactionary conservative" by the way), but identifying videogames as an example of that is not somehow advocating playing videogames, or elevating no-lifer gamer dudes.
The bulk of Peterson's body of work both as a psychologist and a writer is focused on self-improvement, which means accepting that society may work against you, but you can't just roll over and be a fat, unproductive piece of shit and whine about it. Adding to this, a lot of Peterson's own drive and self-image seems to be driven by his anecdotal meetings with people whose lives he's changed for the better, and he does not appear to define better as "an unemployed future school shooter with a neckbeard," at least as far as I know.
Which is probably why the majority of Incels and MGTOW I'm aware of that have brushed up against him seem to intensely dislike him. He represents an apostate, someone who agrees with some of the underlying principles of their groups, but still says "ok, so? get back to fucking work"
 
marfusha said:
He actually shifts blame a lot though. Dude literally said that men play too much videogames cause society finds them useless.
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That's half right though, isn't it? The number of men that participate productively in society is decreasing; whether through videogames or other nonsense. Part of the reason must be that the deal they're being offered is worsening over time.

I think it's true for women as well to a certain degree; though that's a different conversation.
 
Lemmingwise said:
That's half right though, isn't it? The number of men that participate productively in society is decreasing; whether through videogames or other nonsense. Part of the reason must be that the deal they're being offered is worsening over time.

I think it's true for women as well to a certain degree; though that's a different conversation.
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Marriage, or more accurately, divorce is an objective measure of disincentivizing male participation in society. In today's society, marriage is a contract where the weaker party can gain by voluntarily severing the contract. On the individual level, the breadwinner (who tends to be male because women don't like broke jokers) could lose half of all property they bought in the marriage and be expected to pay alimony afterwards. What should be a move to stabilize a financial situation is now the most significant gamble a man could ever make. He could have done nothing wrong, but because she got tired of the arrangement can end the marriage and be called stunning and brave while the husband instantly becomes a loser. For society at large, men don't have a reason to invest in a society that makes them pariahs for trying to start a nuclear family. MGTOW, which Peterson vilified, recognize this fact and check out of society. The result is men have no investment in low-time preference behaviors like raising children or home ownership and that affects society in negative ways.
 
marfusha said:
He actually shifts blame a lot though. Dude literally said that men play too much videogames cause society finds them useless.
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He also says the way out of that is for the men to change, grow up, find purpose (kids) and it's on them to do these things.

That's the opposite of what the incels think.
 
Lemmingwise said:
That's half right though, isn't it? The number of men that participate productively in society is decreasing; whether through videogames or other nonsense. Part of the reason must be that the deal they're being offered is worsening over time.

I think it's true for women as well to a certain degree; though that's a different conversation.
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People play video games cause it's a fun and engaging activity. Those who spend a significant amount of time on it don't have willpower to switch to something more productive. It's not that complicated.
Mr. Brown said:
He also says the way out of that is for the men to change, grow up, find purpose (kids) and it's on them to do these things.
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He also teaches to always tell the truth but still denies he was (still is?) a junkie. Seems like JP is a walking contradiction.
 
marfusha said:
He also teaches to always tell the truth but still denies he was (still is?) a junkie. Seems like JP is a walking contradiction.
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What are you talking about, there's countless interviews about his addiction at this point...

I understand you guys thinking he's dumb (he is) and how his fans are a bit too dedicated (they are), but at least come up with come decent attacks. There's plenty of things to talk about with JP that's legitimate but if he's lying about his drug addiction or trying to hide it then he must be doing an awful job because I bet I can find 10 interviews where he talks about it in depth.
 
marfusha said:
He also teaches to always tell the truth but still denies he was (still is?) a junkie. Seems like JP is a walking contradiction
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He doesn't say he is not a junkie does he? He just doesn't really talk about it. I guess he's really focusing on the second part of that commandment: "or at least, don't lie". You don't have to lie if you don't talk about it!

Lolol. It's amazing that people like him above all for his honesty.

As for him being a mix of contradictions, it's true.

I thought barring a journalist from a free speech event for talking to the wrong people and then admitting the irony without blinking was peak Peterson doublethink.
 
Mr. Brown said:
What are you talking about, there's countless interviews about his addiction at this point...
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And in none of those interviews he takes responsibility for his benzo popping.
Here is a prime example
Btw I don't think he's dumb. Not as intelligent as his fans portray him to be but definitely not dumb.
 
marfusha said:
And in none of those interviews he takes responsibility for his benzo popping.
Here is a prime example
https://youtube.com/watch?v=mmk6aESKYWE:773Btw I don't think he's dumb. Not as intelligent as his fans portray him to be but definitely not dumb.
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He was taking a medication that a doctor told him to... He wasn't popping benzo's at the weekend and going partying with the boys every night.

How is he responsible to a side effect from that exactly?

I get that he's a "Dr" and should know better, but he's a psychologist not a medical doctor.
 
Mr. Brown said:
He was taking a medication that a doctor told him to... He wasn't popping benzo's at the weekend and going partying with the boys every night.

How is he responsible to a side effect from that exactly?

I get that he's a "Dr" and should know better, but he's a psychologist not a medical doctor.
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I have never met a benzo addict who took the pills “exactly as prescribed” because they aren’t to be used long term and usually have instructions like PRN/ “take as needed” or “one in evening”.

I guess he could have just gotten a PRN script, he just happened to need them eight times a day.

Don’t kid yourself, Jordan was eating his pills whenever he wanted not carefully monitoring the clock until he could take another at 7 pm.

I think this is why people view him as being in denial - because he will only say he had a physical dependence taking pills on doctors orders! (Which is like a stereotypical addict script) You don’t end up in induced comas in Russia because you were taking a Xanax at bedtime, but because you were eating them like pez.
 
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