💊 Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

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Lemmingwise said:
This just seems like a video ripe for internet discussions.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=DzbWnaK46tw
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Well, the MGTOW movement was oddly enough started by black men...

It got a whitewash makeover, but it was black men who started it talking about their baby mama's, child support and how ''dem black women and their fake weaves''. Maybe JP should stat talking to a more ''Urban'' audience. Can you even imagine?
 
Sweetpeaa said:
Maybe JP should stat talking to a more ''Urban'' audience. Can you even imagine?
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He should use the acronym P.J online similar to C.J in GTA SA.
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Sweetpeaa said:
Well, the MGTOW movement was oddly enough started by black men...

It got a whitewash makeover, but it was black men who started it talking about their baby mama's, child support and how ''dem black women and their fake weaves''. Maybe JP should stat talking to a more ''Urban'' audience. Can you even imagine?
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Where did it start? I wouldn't have guessed.

Wouldn't be surprising though. Sub saharan africans have been going their own way since forever.

It is very unsurprising that after the civil rights movement that when they had the luxury to persue their own destiny, they chose what they have done forever, more or less.

As for Peterson talking to black audiences, it'd probably be like watching taylor talk to black audiences more or less.
 
Bit of an off-track point, but I was checking peterson for some more stuff that might be funny and listened to the podcast about luxury beliefs. Mostly I found Peterson did not add much to the discussion, but that's besides the point. The topic and ideas discussed were very very interesting and now days later I find myself still thinking about them.

Recommended I guess:

The label of "sex and dating apps" is kinda clickbaity and actually only a minor part of the conversation.
 
Lemmingwise said:
Bit of an off-track point, but I was checking peterson for some more stuff that might be funny and listened to the podcast about luxury beliefs. Mostly I found Peterson did not add much to the discussion, but that's besides the point. The topic and ideas discussed were very very interesting and now days later I find myself still thinking about them.

Recommended I guess:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-6ZyQKiwMQw
The label of "sex and dating apps" is kinda clickbaity and actually only a minor part of the conversation.
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this is almost 2 hours long nigger you had better cook up some cliffs notes
 
William S. Sessions said:
this is almost 2 hours long nigger you had better cook up some cliffs notes
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I listened to the whole thing while working out.

Like many youtube videos it already has cliff notes:

[00:00] Introduction [00:18] Jordan B. Peterson introduces the guest Rob Henderson [01:00] Luxury Beliefs, what they are, and how he came up with them. [06:30] Prospect Theory [07:30] Rob's experience at University and the competitiveness between students. [09:30] Examples of luxury beliefs. [12:00] Competitiveness in University into financial services. [16:00] The idea that the affluent are shielded from social unrest because of the communities they were raised in. [19:00] The universe of luxury beliefs. [20:00] Polyamory, Tinder, and the luxury belief of polyamory trickling down from University into the working class. [26:00] The idea of the Patriarchal Institution. [28:00] Psychopathy and dating apps [33:00] Hypergamy [39:30] Dark Triad and dating app; the differences between experiences from college women and single mothers. [43:30] Dating apps "seeding" with fake attractive profiles [46:00] The different experiences for different social classes when dating [50:00] Names that pass down the social hierarchy [50:30] Rob Hendersons color blindness theory [55:30] Trump's attraction and working classes contempt for the elites [01:02:30] Consequences of voicing certain beliefs [01:07:30] Gender differences in luxury beliefs [01:14:30] Consequences of reproductive technology [01:18:30] The consent debates taking place on campuses and the role of sex. [01:21:30] Sexlessness in Japan [01:22:00] Pornagraphies affect and NoFap [01:28:00] Sex ratio and their impact on the different cultures at universities. [01:32:00] Sexy Selfies [01:33:00] Consequences of pursuing this sort of thought [01:36:30] Rob's collegiate career and his experience at Cambridge. [01:44:00] Rob's results from taking Jordan’s personality test. [01:46:00] Rob’s plans for the future.
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I can distill the principle idea I took from it, though.

It starts with an observation that young students dreams and aspirations clash with the values they proclaim to have. One day they're going to an event and champion socialism and equality and the literal next day they're competing for goldman sachs jobs. Or as another example: I champion promiscuity and polyamory, while I also seek to build a family with a monogamous relationship in the future. Having contraproductive ideas basicly.

There are two different interprations given to this apparent contradiction. On the one hand the idea of luxury beliefs, like peacock feathers. I can have these contraproductive ideas and values and still thrive. And just as a personal note, just a couple of months ago I decided to act kinda like that in my personal life, just be couragous, spit good ideas in the face and act like a general (hopefully funny) douchebag. It really paid dividends which I found surprising. It was a bit of an experiment. People do think you're better if you're doing wacky risky shit and manage to not get hurt.

And the other one is that it's a way of undercutting the competition. If other people do buy the socialism thing, then that's one less competitor applying to goldman sachs.

They also go into how these contraproductive ideas trickle down to less wealthy and they believe them and are hampered by them, like young women into single motherhood as a result of them.

My big takeaway is that the reason the seeming contradictions are a way to brag. Like the haute couture eat the rich dress of cortez. People love to point at how hypocritical it looks. But that's the joke. I can be a fucking hypocrite, and still live it up. I can champion socialism and still eat caviar. Or even: I can be a hypocrite, and still be an elected official.

Especially after material displays of status declined; everyone has their iphone and a lot of material things are relatively easy to acquire and thus not a way to denote status for the very rich. So instead status is displayed with beliefs to some degree. Or being able to get away with hypocrisy with impunity. Like a pope sitting on a throne, holding a golden staff and being called a champion of the poor.
 
It starts with an observation that young students dreams and aspirations clash with the values they proclaim to have. One day they're going to an event and champion socialism and equality and the literal next day they're competing for goldman sachs jobs. Or as another example: I champion promiscuity and polyamory, while I also seek to build a family with a monogamous relationship in the future. Having contraproductive ideas basicly.
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This is so true. I, for example, once knew an old guy (who still watches Disney cartoons for some reason, even cries reminiscing Pinocchio) who kept saying men should have an orderly life, with aspiration and desires, steady work, always fighting for the best things in life through rough but fulfilling paths. But in real life, he was a fucking mess. He fried his brain with benzos, went to a clandestine hospital in the butthole of the world, went in a coma, and came out of that like a mongoloid retartd.

Funny how this world is filled with... hypocrite morons, isn't it?
 
@Lemmingwise
I think there are a few parts to this at play, and they are simpler.

First, there is peer pressure and these are popular ideas in these sorts of circles at Universities. Even if you are broadly unpolitical, or have differing political beliefs, it can be easier to just go with the flow in order to get by socially. Once you leave University you don't care. Lots of the far left types at University are emboldened by the fact they are surrounded by like minded people and act like zealots - so it's easy to just placate them or ignore them. Meanwhile, you work towards what you actually want and ignore all of that shit.

Second, it's hard to live up to the sorts of principles that are demanded of you in terms of socialism. It's easy to say you have principles, to espouse positions and berate others, but when the question is between making a point that will be ignored entirely or taking a chance to better your own future most people will go with the latter. Especially when you add in the first point, people have degrees of belief and while people might believe something on one level about the West being some fucking made up Leftist Feminist Racial Studies definition of an evil oppressive regime of white suits, the reality that it isn't must creep in for most from time to time.

Finally, people's circumstances change. Taxes are great if you are not the ones paying them etc. People soon change their tune when extra tax means they only get one sunny holiday a year instead of two.
 
Mr E. Grifter said:
First, there is peer pressure and these are popular ideas in these sorts of circles at Universities. Even if you are broadly unpolitical, or have differing political beliefs, it can be easier to just go with the flow in order to get by socially. Once you leave University you don't care. Lots of the far left types at University are emboldened by the fact they are surrounded by like minded people and act like zealots - so it's easy to just placate them or ignore them. Meanwhile, you work towards what you actually want and ignore all of that shit.
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This is true.

Although one of their (non exhaustive) experiments was interesting, where in the university area, they saw all these young women with polyamory type values, whereas if they centered the tinder app in the other surrounding areas, instead they'd get all these single mothers of about the same age.

Their interpretation was that the beliefs filtered down from the university. I certainly have met more than a few non-university people who started going the kind of polyamory and its variations direction.

Raging Capybara said:
This is so true. I, for example, once knew an old guy (who still watches Disney cartoons for some reason, even cries reminiscing Pinocchio) who kept saying men should have an orderly life, with aspiration and desires, steady work, always fighting for the best things in life through rough but fulfilling paths. But in real life, he was a fucking mess. He fried his brain with benzos, went to a clandestine hospital in the butthole of the world, went in a coma, and came out of that like a mongoloid retartd.

Funny how this world is filled with... hypocrite morons, isn't it?
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12 Luxury beliefs for life. 12 more luxury beliefs for life.
 
William S. Sessions said:
funny how jp fans always wither up and pretend it's all a big joke as soon as someone points out peterson is a hack quack whose own methods failed him (or vice versa)
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If you think I'm a fan you haven't read much of this thread.
 
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