🐮 Lolcow Jack David Sickenberger / The Cunning Condor - Prudish, Nosy, and Pretentious Cartoonist who Hates WHORES and makes REAL ART

[SpessCaptain]

What the fuck is an art hooker?

Art is a really broad spectrum of illustrative ideas or thoughts which has many definitions as people have different standards on what an art is. The origins of the word art comes from the Latin word ars or artem - ‘skill, craft, craftsmanship.’

A hooker is a slang/insult term for a woman who is given a dowry for sexual acts, they are also known as a prostitute.

An art hooker is from Condlish which is a person who draws art to attract others: the definition might be a person who is paid for commissions for custom artwork - or someone who makes art simply for attention.

 

[Meowthkip]

Art is a really broad spectrum of illustrative ideas or thoughts which has many definitions as people have different standards on what an art is. The origins of the word art comes from the Latin word ars or artem - ‘skill, craft, craftsmanship.’

A hooker is a slang/insult term for a woman who is given a dowry for sexual acts, they are also known as a prostitute.

An art hooker is from Condlish which is a person who draws art to attract others: the definition might be a person who is paid for commissions for custom artwork - or someone who makes art simply for attention.

Is that not the point of art, for man to create, and shout to the universe, "I AM HERE?"

... Somebody famous said something like that once. I don't know who, or the exact quote.

 

[Springer]

No offense but I don't understand what form of irony this provides.

It does not seem to be irony, I suspect it is justification for the fact that drawing garbage Anatomy of a 'cartoon' Human is easier than to try and draw clothing sporting Persons.

I do like that this person's art has some nice "squash and stretch" to it. I just wish they would focus on the building blocks of drawing, the overlap forms and shape of the real Body from life, then return to their stylised version. I feel bad when I see an artist limit their progresses in art because they insist on an extreme 'style' and ignore returning to work on and improve the basics.
In my experiences style comes organically, it is not the place to start from. It comes along as you practice your learnings of figure drawings and gesture sketches, light studies and shapes in deep space.

 

[Surtur]

Christ, another one?

 

[BOLDYSPICY!]

I kinda like the style. It's got a lively feel to it. Whereas Dobson & DisneyFan01 have the flattest, dead-looking-est art ever, even if it seems okay on the surface.

I dunno, guy seems pretty civil so far. I'm just gonna watch for a while.

 

[The Cunning Condor]

Ok, everyone slooow down now.

To get a few things outta the way, lemmie just... collect everything here.

First off, let's try to remain polite and civil here. I'm simply here to put any rumors to rest.

As for my views on porn, yes, they are true. I do not like porn, nor do I care much for those who create and/or distribute it. That's just my opinion on the matter. Because of that... I have a thing for making fun of sexual stupidity. That's all. I do get heated if someone decides that me hating porn is a good reason to send me death threats, but I'm sure anyone would.

I am civil, but like anyone, I do get angry (hell, I accidentally punched a window a few days ago and currently have stitches on my wrist). I understand that my anger may be louder than my chill, but I try and keep it contained when I can.

It is true that my drawing methods are unorthodox and I focus more on structuring (most of) my characters like clay models rather than building pieces. That's just my method.

As for Naked People, it's simply a satirically styled comic I do with my free time. The reason the people are "naked" is simply to sort of hyperbolize the sexuality of a lot of cartooning lately. I personally notice a lot of characters in web cartoons are sexualized for whatever reason, so I decided to sort of make fun of this in a light way. I have many ideas for future strips and don't worry, they're not all stabs at sexual stupidity. They'll be all over the place as time goes on.

I'm well aware that my art is in fact not mediocre. I've had people who hate my guts even admit my skill to me. However, like any art style, I'm aware that my style may not be everyone's cup of tea. That's fine. But liking something and thinking something's good needn't go hand in hand.

I will admit that as of right now, my traditional drawing skill far exceeds that of my digital drawing skill, but it'll balance itself out eventually as long as I keep at it.

Any other questions y'all have, feel free to message me on DeviantArt or here or whatever. I'm simply here to provide clarity. (:

 

[Meowthkip]

As for my views on porn, yes, they are true. I do not like porn, nor do I care much for those who create and/or distribute it. That's just my opinion on the matter. Because of that... I have a thing for making fun of sexual stupidity. That's all. I do get heated if someone decides that me hating porn is a good reason to send me death threats, but I'm sure anyone would.

What's the reasoning behind your dislike of porn?

 

[The Cunning Condor]

Why do I not believe that for a second?

unless you contract out your friends to do Google searches on your name...

I can imagine that. But I dunno. Someone from DA (I think it may have been some dude named Hyper or something) linked me here, and I decided to clear up any confusion.

This whole thing seems to have been blown completely out of proportion, and it's made both me and you guys come off as hostile and unfriendly. Granted, I'm not a people-person, but I'm not a curmudgeon.

What's the reasoning behind your dislike of porn?

Well, like any young stupid adolescent, in my earlier years, it did indeed get my attention and for a few years I was into it like any other person, but then as I progressed through my teens, I grew more and more... mindful of things. Not to sound pretentious, but I started becoming more ... aware of the world around me, and this lead to me becoming a bit more respectful of the "beauty of sex" (as well as other things).

(for the record, I'm 1

And the porn industry became on of the many things that would piss me off. I'm not religious at all, but I am somewhat spiritual and I have my personal beliefs on the beauty of life, the human mind, and so on. So seeing a person fizzled down to a sex object kind of pisses me off. And it's abundance doesn't help either. :/

How many cows will end up in this place just this month? Hell, I am suprised people aren't already sockpuppeting as them.

Anyway, how are you doing, Condor?

Aside from a tendon in my wrist being injured, thus rendering it unusable for the next few days, as well as having to deal with stitches and pills that make me vomit from time to time due to my system not being used to them, I've been okay.

Thanks for asking. I've been spending my "cripple days" being kinda lazy and catching up on TV shows and reading some.

Where do you stand on the issues of Sonic's [literally too autistic to type blue arms]?

I don't feel obligated to really give a damn about a cartoon character's arm color... :l

 

[Meowthkip]

Well, like any young stupid adolescent, in my earlier years, it did indeed get my attention and for a few years I was into it like any other person, but then as I progressed through my teens, I grew more and more... mindful of things. Not to sound pretentious, but I started becoming more ... aware of the world around me, and this lead to me becoming a bit more respectful of the "beauty of sex" (as well as other things).

(for the record, I'm 1

And the porn industry became on of the many things that would piss me off. I'm not religious at all, but I am somewhat spiritual and I have my personal beliefs on the beauty of life, the human mind, and so on. So seeing a person fizzled down to a sex object kind of pisses me off. And it's abundance doesn't help either. :/

So, what about drawn or written erotica? No actual bodies are being exploited there. Surely they're preferable to filmed pornography?

 

[The Cunning Condor]

So, what about drawn or written erotica? No actual bodies are being exploited there. Surely they're preferable to filmed pornography?

Well, as I said before, there is a difference between nudity, sexuality, and pornography.

It all really depends on how it is executed. But it's usually very easy to identify if it's meant to be sexual or just flat out smut.

Drawn pornography tends to piss me off the most seeing as drawing is where I usually reside. Seeing someone use potential talent for brainless smut is what tends to get to me the most.

 

[Meowthkip]

Well, as I said before, there is a difference between nudity, sexuality, and pornography.
For example I thought Blue is the Warmest Color was a pretty good film (and no, I don't have a lebian fetish, ya wackadoodles d
Also, I read Fifty Shades, expecting it to be good, but was very disappointed. It sucked.

It all really depends on how the story is executed. But it's usually very easy to identify if it's meant to be sexual or just flat out smut.

So what is wrong with a work being flat-out smut, if it does not exploit the bodies of real people, such as artwork or literature?

 

[Frank Rizzo]

it's always refreshing to see a lolcow make an appearance and be.....well....so polite.

Nice change of pace from the shit Space Jesus, Croat Scrot, and Teej spew daily.

 

[Marionette]

I'm well aware that my art is in fact not mediocre. I've had people who hate my guts even admit my skill to me. However, like any art style, I'm aware that my style may not be everyone's cup of tea. That's fine. But liking something and thinking something's good needn't go hand in hand.

Except it is mediocre. It's not awful but even on a cartoonist level it's nothing special. I hate to say it but Tom Preston is much better than you. A LOT needs work.

 

[The Cunning Condor]

So what is wrong with a work being flat-out smut, if it does not exploit the bodies of real people, such as artwork or literature?

The lack of creativity or original thought just makes the quality flat out bad. But writing flat-out smut takes little to no constructive thought. It's hopelessly bland, yet it gets peoples attention because a lot of people are easily noticed by the mere mention of sexuality or whatnot. That's what irks me.

If you're talking about a book that simply has some sex scenes in it, that's fine. I'm not the type of person who flips their shit over the depiction of genetalia. I'm not a complete fruitcake. I just don't like exploitative stuff, objectifying stuff or overexposure of stuff. Y'know?

(I'm doin' my best here ^^)

it's always refreshing to see a lolcow make an appearance and be.....well....so polite.

Nice change of pace from the shit Space Jesus, Croat Scrot, and Teej spew daily.

Last thing anyone wants is a shitstorm. I'm just doin' what I can to lay any rumors to rest and provide whatever clarity I can.

Except it is mediocre. It's not awful but even on a cartoonist level it's nothing special. I hate to say it but Tom Preston is much better than you. A LOT needs work.

While you say that, another person says it's "beautiful" or "amazing". Taste in art varies from person to person. I get if it ain't your cup of tea. Hell, I dislike most of Warhol's stuff, for example.

 

[Springer]

You aren't realistic in how good you think your Art is or how talented you are. Please understand.

I do not see you as much of a Lolcow, I think maybe this thread would be very quiet and fade away if you did not arrive.
However I do see you suffer the delusion many do when they are at the level which is above the terrible and the rank beginner, but who still has very far to travel in techniques and true skill.

You may wish to try Concept Art forums for the 'rude awakening', which is not really rude, I find that English term a bit funny, but just honest.

May I make a couple suggestions?

This clay idea of building the Unterbau(...under model/foundation?) is good for the cartoony styles of pulling and squash/stretch, and you do these well which gives a lively look to things you draw. This is very nice, but you are very flat and do not draw in deep space.
Now you still need to learn the way shapes and the Body shapes overlap to help make a more 3-d person, even if you want to be very simple in your cartoon person's appearence.
Start to Think of a globe or sphere not a circle, and cube not square. This is how you make the look of space, not just flat. Twitsing their views in space is how to learn before combining them. In the alltogether form the globe can be made of your squishy clay and can move like that but you still want to learn shapes in deep space.

Work on the lighting and the Shade, try to shade and light with tones of colour, not blacks and whites. Going back to Shapes and shading Shapes in all different lightings and views helps you shade the whole.

So I hope you might take some advice. Right now you have some more ego than maybe is deserved for your drawings, but you seem to be a good person over all, so I hope you don't trip over your mind with this. Taste is a factor in liking or not liking art, but does negate proficiency and skill.
Right now you need to build skill.

 

[Bucharest]

While you say that, another person says it's "beautiful" or "amazing". Taste in art varies from person to person. I get if it ain't your cup of tea. Hell, I dislike most of Warhol's stuff, for example.

"Your mileage may vary" is not the same thing as "My art is good."

 

[Meowthkip]

The lack of creativity or original thought just makes the quality flat out bad. If you're talking about a book that simply has some sex scenes in it, that's fine. I'm not the type of person who flips their shit over the depiction of genetalia. I'm not a complete fruitcake. I just don't like exploitative stuff, objectifying stuff or overexposure of stuff. Y'know?

(I'm doin' my best here ^^)

I'm actually really interested in this conversation, so no worries.

It's funny that you say that, because I have seen some very loving rendered pornography made by professional artists, or professional level artists. The acts depicted are absolutely filthy, but the skill used is beyond the average hentai smut you may be thinking of. I should also add that a lot of these artists I'm thinking of are women drawing porn of men.

At what point does art become smut? Is it the presence of an erect phallus, or visible penetration? Is it the inclusion of a plot, or the skill level of the creator?

 

[SpessCaptain]

Wait what? I was correct about Art Hookers?

You don't like people making money for art and attention? Sorry to break it to you but that's what modern art is now basically.

As for the term, yes you should change it its a pretty autistic thing to say.

 

[Randall Fragg]

it's always refreshing to see a lolcow make an appearance and be.....well....so polite.

Nice change of pace from the shit Space Jesus, Croat Scrot, and Teej spew daily.

I know.
@The Cunning Condor we currently have a guy who believes he's the reincarnation of Einstein and Jesus handing out angry judgments, a guy with incomprehensible grammar who believes he's a genius making a 200+ page thread asking the thread about him be removed, an apathetic '2edgyngrimdark4u' wanna be writer with a crotch fungus and a sexual fixation on Molly Ringwald, and @Holden, a man who believes that women deserve to be raped.
You're actually pretty chill. I might not like your art, but you seem like a decent guy.

 

[Dork Of Ages]

Would you personally draw pornography as a comission? What is the avatar you are using?

Also, do you respect wolves and skeletons? Or skeleton wolves? Cuz they're sick, ok.