Incel and Lonely Men Debate thread - Defend men giving up or tell them otherwise

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because I'm a retard and I use a Mac , I've somehow lost a load of tabs I had open.
I looking for a story/arcticle about someone's best friend who killed himself due to loneliness.
it was written by the guys best friend and said how his friend never developed the ability to start a relationship.

I'm sure it was posted on here but I was to retarded to bookmark it
 
I'm surprised the Rehab Room channel is not discussed anywhere on this forum. He is an unofficial spokesman for the blackpill community, and made videos under a different channel titled "IncelTV". He was also active on incels.is, under the username "13k". I believe his account was removed, but he was very active on that forum years ago. I think a lot of his commentary regarding this issue is fair. A lot of people like to hate on the so called "incel community" and lookism theory as a whole, but I've yet to hear a compelling disproval of these ideas.
 
A lot of people like to hate on the so called "incel community" and lookism theory as a whole, but I've yet to hear a compelling disproval of these ideas.
I mean, generally, there is little to disprove. Humans are animals, and animals have sexual selection. The selective sex is the one that puts the most "effort" into reproduction, and in the modern world where both men and women have to work full-time, the agony, effort, physical risk, and childrearing-obligation of motherhood is more taxing than siring a child. As a result, women are going to be more selective than men to at least some degree. (It's uncomfortable, but you can argue that women going to work made this situation far more extreme. Personally I think more women should be stay at home moms, but the option of not being one should never be taken away. But for that, we need a fairer distribution of wealth, better economy, what have you.)

Most people are pretty uninteresting and have extremely generic taste in men and women, but women have more of an ability to actually select for these preferences, with more men settling. So the incel "theory" of a bunch of women trying to go after a small group of conventionally highly attractive people is right to an extent.

The information age has obviously made this much, much, much worse by giving people far more "choices" than humans ever evolved to have. Stuff like Tinder has basically broken the sex economy in that way. I talked about this a couple pages ago and won't go into it here.

Now, I'm going to differ from incel doctrine with this particular advice. All the above applies to maybe 66-95% of men and women-- the kinds of people who are relatively generic. People within a standard deviation or two of the "mean" of humanity, mentally. When you get to people a standard deviation or two away from the mean, you get to the people who select for unexpected and highly individualistic things.

For example, take my brother and his wife. Both of them waited until their 30s to date even a single other person because they were only interested in dating someone else in their field of mathematics, despite being conventionally attractive. Then after years and years, they finally met each other and basically instantly paired for life. Or take one of my friends, who basically selects boyfriends based on how good at Smash Ultimate they are. She's an incredibly beautiful opera singer, and her current boyfriend had never dated anyone else, is overweight, has a recessed chin, and never goes outside. I know personally more women who are like this than not, just because I tend to be in very niche communities, but every time I see an incel thread I think about these kinds of women. This is personally how I meet 100% of the men I date, and I can assure you that the competition is not as strong as you'd think.

Basically my most earnest practical advice is that if you're not supremely handsome, you should try to be highly interesting in some niche way that will appeal to a woman in that niche. And then, you have to physically go to locations where this niche gathers. This could be a hobby, grad school, etc. If you are that and clean-kept, respectful, and not addicted to porn or drugs you will be leagues and leagues ahead of the other men you'd be "competing with" in these niches.

I sperged a while ago about how the internet is fucking over men, but here is some actually practical advice for someone who's struggling to date from my (admittedly specific) point of view. People find "incel theory" uncomfortable because it shows aspects of dating/sex that are true but reflect poorly on the majority of the population. It's a theory that (in its less schizo form) does model a big part of the sex economy well, but it's not the whole picture. My advice is that you can ignore this population and can get out this system entirely if you have the acumen.
 
I'd like to point out how retarded of a word "femcel" is. Incel is a short for involuntary celibate, which could already be applied to both genders. Want to specify? Ok, use fincel or something, but replacing in- with fem- makes the word lose any meaning, now it just means celibate female. What a bunch of retards.
This case may be viewed as a microchasm for any "woman" movement.

As for Incels and their problem, I already made a post in the "why are you alone" thread. You can click my godawful avatar and find it, I only made like three posts. In short, stop seeking sex and start seeking for a meaningful relationship.
 
I sperged a while ago about how the internet is fucking over men, but here is some actually practical advice for someone who's struggling to date from my (admittedly specific) point of view. People find "incel theory" uncomfortable because it shows aspects of dating/sex that are true but reflect poorly on the majority of the population. It's a theory that (in its less schizo form) does model a big part of the sex economy well, but it's not the whole picture. My advice is that you can ignore this population and can get out this system entirely if you have the acumen.
I do not deny that outliers exist. By participating in niche interests, one indeed can distinguish themselves within the confines of that niche. Often with niches, there is a gender imbalance (take STEM for example). Would STEM be a good niche to embed oneself into, cognizant of the fact it is comprised overwhelmingly of men? Niches comprised of mostly women have the tendency to be that way through gatekeeping men out. In my experience, niches tend to be massive sausagefests, and the few women that are present tend to always be surrounded by dozens of orbiters. Could you provide some examples of niches that would be worthwhile to explore?
As for Incels and their problem, I already made a post in the "why are you alone" thread. You can click my godawful avatar and find it, I only made like three posts. In short, stop seeking sex and start seeking for a meaningful relationship.
Essentially your post is "men are PIGS who just want SEX!!!". You think women don't want sex either? This is peak delusion. The men that women obsess over the most are the men who have sex with the most amount of women. If women wanted long-term commitment, they would not be using hookup apps in the numbers that they do. Most men cannot get a women to even acknowledge their existence, but the issue is that they are only interested in casual hookups? That is truly a wild belief to hold.
 

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Or take one of my friends, who basically selects boyfriends based on how good at Smash Ultimate they are. She's an incredibly beautiful opera singer, and her current boyfriend had never dated anyone else, is overweight, has a recessed chin, and never goes outside
I don't believe this for a second.
 
It’s so cathartic reading shit like this, because I thought I was the only one who thought this way.

If a girl is into you, she’d make it abundantly clear. She won’t send you subliminal messages or “mixed signals” like she’s trying to activate a CIA sleeper agent. All this “signals” crap is just dudes coping by trying to rewrite history.
Bro you underestimate how retarded some men including me are in their youth and even now.
A girl asking you out or rubbing her ass on your crotch is a signal too, a somewhat blunt one but you can still miss that
 
Could you provide some examples of niches that would be worthwhile to explore?
Against the stereotype of STEM, biological sciences/ nature focused activities tend to be pretty female dominated. You'd assume otherwise, but the entomology department and entomology society at my school are almost entirely women. Exotics husbandry tends to be very male, but most of the men involved are tattooed, extremely poorly adjusted, or like, felonious.

This is cursed, but female-centric nerdy circles are completely losing gatekeeping as a result of pooners. If you want to meet tons of women, get into the fiber arts. You're unlikely to find a "no men allowed!!!" group because like 25% of that hobby is female gender specials.

So yeah, imo things involving nature or crafting will have lots of women and there will be less gatekeeping than there used to be because of the gender mess. Aside from that, music is an obvious one. But genuinely anything you really love that isn't video gaming, programming, or MtG could do the job.

Sorry for doubleposting
 
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I said nothing about men. In fact, the majority of my post is about how stupid gender wars are.
But it is men who are facing true forced loneliness. So when you write in the thread "why are you still single", it's heavily implied (in my view) to be directed towards men. Women don't need to be explained to why they are single, it is by choice. There are always open offers. Women may not like them, but they stand nonetheless.
No one's forcing you to pursue a whore or to be one. If you do - you ARE a pig.
I'm not pursuing any women at the moment. I think if I were to at this point it would end ugly.
 
Perhaps I'll be autisting harder than I ever did in this forum but here we go.

People in this forum like to dump on incels saying they should take a shower/go to a shrink/touch grass and all these Friends-tier tropes but I sometimes ask myself if these people either have nothing of substance to say or are full-blown mentally handicapped because I'd imagine a literal brain damaged retard repeating things ad nauseam like a broken record without paying attention to how he sounds.

It would be wise for incels to just deal with the fact they are romantically unattractive. Romanticism is a living dead at this point and tech has came to prove it to society, only people aren't accepting that and making all kinds of dumb excuses for the fact the current Zeitgeist is the exhaustion of interpersonal relationships. Tech is not to blame, capitalism perhaps but in the end people are the mainspring of this. And current era came to separate further those who can breed from those who can't causing the polarity to widen.

Unattractive people and loveshies have always existed and weren't even worthy of a footnote in societal analysis. Most likely because in the pre-Industrial world breeding was main source of continuity and those who were unable to for whatever fucking reason have persihed onto obliviousness. Post-Industrial world made breeding something to exploit for economic benefits and, once more, the squeaky wheels would either get the grease or be discarded. The key factor here is people who couldn't land a partner and/or didn't had any children would be shunned by society.

What do you do with an unproductive worker? Fire him. Pretty much the same thing.

Lots of things have changed throughout the years and now we're in present day, present time and some social dynamics became outdated. Tradfags can LARP all they want but the thing is, as it was with all generations, things will never be the same again. Millenials can pretend everybody was living like American Pie and still be missing these fratboy years, Zoomers took the concept and said "Fuck you!" and with the help of technology and Internet carved the world a new reality: One where typical social dynamics are defenestrated, one where young people aren't willing to comply with the ole 9-5 meat grinding opportunities (because there aren't much available anyway), one where the Internet became srs bsns, one where women seek out the kind of man that is a minority where they use the "most men are toxic" defense card that has been rehearsed well with feminists and one where the unsung are heard (in this case, incels).

What should be done then? Nothing. Let nature take its course and a new will day will dawn like always. Only this time it'll be a day where Earth's population may have decreased a significant bit.

Perhaps the only thing to do 'till then is let incels be. They should perhaps accept themselves and realize they weren't supposed to be romantically involved with anyone. Ever. Fools can lie to them thinking that brand new clothes, a haircut, shaving, going outside will grant them a courtship. It won't. It's like packaging a cow dung sandwich inside a Big Mac box and expect people to ignore the smell of shit.

Incels are psychologically wrecked dudes who, willfully or not, can't comply with social dynamics. I'm not sure where I heard this from but there's a theory about incels being the spawn of toxic mothers and broken households. Don't know how much does this explain but there should be a concrete study about this. Toxic moms and broken households can only explain how they relate to other women but it also applies to abusive boyfriends/husbands. The difference being incels don't have the wherewithal to find a partner to abuse.

The question that should be asked is: Is one born an incel or becomes an incel?
But it doesn't fix loneliness
What do you mean by "loneliness"? Because I can also feel frustrated and desperate when I can't find something I want instead of having what's available for me. Or I could use what's available for me for a while then throw it away because I lost interest. Which hardly fits in the dictionary definition of "loneliness".

Loneliness is when you have jack shit, wants something and anything is fine. Being selective wouldn't be a good indicative of being lonely.
 
Basically my most earnest practical advice is that if you're not supremely handsome, you should try to be highly interesting in some niche way that will appeal to a woman in that niche. And then, you have to physically go to locations where this niche gathers. This could be a hobby, grad school, etc. If you are that and clean-kept, respectful, and not addicted to porn or drugs you will be leagues and leagues ahead of the other men you'd be "competing with" in these niches.
What an incredibly stupid idea. Specialize your life into a niche and hope that a partner materializes, otherwise LOL you’re not only single for life but now tied to some bizarre niche.
 
women seek out man
No, they don't.

Or I could use what's available for me for a while then throw it away because I lost interest. Which hardly fits in the dictionary definition of "loneliness".
You're falling into that same tunnel-visioned trap as everyone else. "Oh those dumb slack-jawed incels just refuse to settle." There are no women available. If there were, then incels would gladly date them. One of the many problems now is that 3s and 4s act like 10s but this works for those women with how society is set up. They get guys that should have been out of their league, leaving the 3s and 4s men with nothing but staring into the abyss contemplating the futility & hopelessness of their existence.
 
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"Oh those dumb slack-jawed incels just refuse to settle."
Congrats, that wasn't even the point I was making.

I was talking about incels being inherently fucked in the head to the point of no return.

But, of course, people ITT like to pretend they can do it. Why the fuck you insist on some borderline and sometimes anti-social freaks thinking they're able to land a girlfriend is beyond me.
 
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What should be done then? Nothing. Let nature take its course and a new will day will dawn like always. Only this time it'll be a day where Earth's population may have decreased a significant bit.
Yeah, except that's not a good enough answer. I need a way to teach my children to navigate this world and teaching them that the Zoomer culture that's currently dominating is going to be anything more than a footnote-even in their lives, is absolutely insane and I refuse to do it. I may be Old Man Screeching At the Clouds for a bit, but these Zoomers are going to hit 30 soon enough and they're going to realize how much they've absolutely FUCKED their lives over. I get it, I'm not much different. I squandered a lot of my youth playing video games until the heat death of the universe. However, I refused to let that be the case for my 20s and time in college. It wasn't. My life vastly improved after *GASP* going outside and touching grass.

So the guys out there who are in their early and mid 20s, having never had a girlfriend and spend their Friday nights playing Helldivers till 4AM with their "good friends" whom they maybe seen in person 1 or 2 times, you're wasting your lives. You're going to wake up 30 years old someday and your entire youth is going to be gone and you'll realize you did absolutely fucking NOTHING with it. You won't even have a funny story to tell. Zoomers play life too safely. I understand getting friends together is difficult in this day and age, but if it wasn't difficult, it wouldn't be worth it. I hope future generations understand this. I'm old, a lot older than some of these Zoomers, but there's not a single week that goes by where I don't something with at least 1 of my close friends.
 
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