Incel and Lonely Men Debate thread - Defend men giving up or tell them otherwise

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I hate women (like you) said:
and what 'stage' are you on right now? sounds like a great way to lose a female friend and gain a memory to lose your sleep over for the next decade
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We first met at a friend's party, talked to each other for most of the evening. Later she layed down with her head on my belly. Then we started with the sport and it's mostly body language - how we stand close, neither of us flinches when we happen to touch etc. She also told me she's looking for a relationship and made some jokes in that direction (like how I should clean my fingernails when I kiss a girl and such).

Point being I think she knows I'm intetested and either she simply enjoys the attention or is actually waiting for me to do something. Do you think it would be better to just ask her? I fear that might come off as me being weak.
 
Gone Innawoods said:
We first met at a friend's party, talked to each other for most of the evening. Later she layed down with her head on my belly. Then we started with the sport and it's mostly body language - how we stand close, neither of us flinches when we happen to touch etc. She also told me she's looking for a relationship and made some jokes in that direction (like how I should clean my fingernails when I kiss a girl and such).

Point being I think she knows I'm intetested and either she simply enjoys the attention or is actually waiting for me to do something. Do you think it would be better to just ask her? I fear that might come off as me being weak.
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Alright my nigga, what you wrote changes things SLIGHTLY. let's sum up where you are:
*You two met at a party, hit it off, got a bit touchy - GOOD
*You then started playing a sport together - GOOD
*She seems to be enjoying her time with you, doesn't recoil from touch - GOOD
*She brought up the topic of relationships first - GOOD
*You aren't sure whether she's friendly, she's using you, or is hinting that she's interested in you (and vice versa) - VERY BAD
Overall, from what you are telling me, you, at the very least, are in a good position to have a close female friend - congratulations

Let's now examine the choice to kiss her out of the blue:
Pros:
-Gets the message across
-If you're in, you're in
Cons:
-you've yet to kiss a girl, ie if she doesnt pick up on what you're trying to do instantly, it's gonna be really awkward and dumb when you stare at her with puckered lips
-if she is not positively sure about how she feels towards you - she aint got time to consider, it's over, there's no recovering from that
-it's generally not a good idea to surprise people with stuff like this

And I think that there are ways with comparable capacity to get the message across and gauge her interest, with much fewer cons. What I have mind is - asking her out and clearly stating that it's a date type of situation; yet again, let's examine the pros and cons:
Pros:
-gets the message across
-if she's not interested, then it is not necessarily a biggie
-you get immediate feedback
Cons:
-there's a risk that you say it in a way she doesn't understand
-it's not as immediate as a kiss

As to the idea that you'd come off as "weak" - I don't know you nor her, but, generally speaking, if she's interested in you, then: 1) she appreciates your weak ass 2) coming off as weak shouldn't put her off

To sum up all of this shit, what I'd recommend you do is:
1) go up to her
2) ask whether she got any shit to do on, let's say, saturday, and if yes, ask straight-up if she wants to go and, let's say, grab a coffee, go to a bakery, whatever
3) signal that you mean that as a date; for example, by saying: "like, a date"
4) if she says 'no', do not even think of trying to convince her otherwise or ask her whether she's sure

Additional, but crucial tips:
*don't be autistic - be clear, loud, and to the point (none of that 'well you see, I've noticed that... - anything over 2 short sentences is too much)
*at least try to be casual about it - that way, if she says no, it's not as awkward
*DO NOT, under ANY circumstance, not specify that you want to bring her on a date

My advice does not come from my ass, but from my experience. I have been in a similar situation:
*I met this girl at a party, got touchy with her
*asked her out, didn't specify that it was a date
*she invited me over to her place
*after a while I tried to make a move
*got rejected
*stayed semi-close friends
as you can see, touch and general friendliness doesn't necessarily mean shit; be clear with your intentions and be cool if it doesn't go the way you want it to.
 
Thanks man.

Anyway she knew, didn't feel the same way and I'm fucking done. Proboha proč maj všechny holky do jedný v hlavě úplně kurva nasráno. I decided against trying to kiss, so at least I spared myself that.

Got a friend to get hammered with me in the evening so that's a plus.
 
Gone Innawoods said:
Thanks man.

Anyway she knew, didn't feel the same way and I'm fucking done. Proboha proč maj všechny holky do jedný v hlavě úplně kurva nasráno. I decided against trying to kiss, so at least I spared myself that.

Got a friend to get hammered with me in the evening so that's a plus.
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ay fucking sucks brother, know the feeling all too well. Kudos for having the balls to go through with the plan. Wishing you that the next girl you ask is gonna give you a yes. Don't get discouraged.
 
Gone Innawoods said:
Thanks man.

Anyway she knew, didn't feel the same way and I'm fucking done. Proboha proč maj všechny holky do jedný v hlavě úplně kurva nasráno. I decided against trying to kiss, so at least I spared myself that.

Got a friend to get hammered with me in the evening so that's a plus.
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Hang in there man. It gets better, trust me.
 
Gone Innawoods said:
Anyway she knew, didn't feel the same way and I'm fucking done.
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Next time don't take flirting too seriously even if it's physical. That way you'll avoid frustration.

Some sickfucks take it to face-value and end up hitching a ride straight to the police station.
Gone Innawoods said:
Proboha proč maj všechny holky do jedný v hlavě úplně kurva nasráno.
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Escreva em inglês, senão, essa thread vira uma bagunça.
 
>witcher 4 reveal
>open reddit
>not a single "ciri uggo" thread
>3 titled INCELS ARE GONNA CALL HER UGGO
Whoever told women of this word and led them to think it's a win-card needs to get castrated
 
Posting here because I'm just distressed about what I've seen happen to men I know. American society has completely fucked over men's ability to develop normally. There is just something terribly wrong happening, and the anger is being directed into the gender war instead of at the actual culprits.

(For this whole post I'm referring to men and women are groups, but obviously they aren't monoliths and I'm just referring to overall trends.)

Some aspects of it are technology-induced, like online dating, and the super refinement of porn and entertainment to satisfy men's inherent drives. While online dating turning sex/romance into a gross, heartless grind is awful, the latter two really, really occupy my thoughts.

It's a double edged sword because when they get fucked by nature or nuture they can get dangerous, but men's strong sexual drive is one of the most important things for the propagation of the human race and general QoL for both sexes, and men's drive (some women have this too, but more often men) to get completely obsessed with something and put all their time/effort/thought into pushing it forward is responsible for a ton of society's advancement.

Both of these innate drives that humanity needs to survive have been basically hijacked by decades of corporate research, and we are seeing the results today. They have identified exactly what porn and entertainment to produce to make these neurons fire in ways that can only be replicated in real life with immense time and effort, and they have introduced their products to young, young children for decades, all while destroying the outside world and making it more and more inaccessible and generally disgusting looking. These drives are so powerful that men will chase them to the ends of the Earth given the right conditions, so where there should have been hard fought battles full of life, interaction, friendship, love, etc providing this kind of satisfaction, there's just instant gratification. We're now seeing the first adults who grew up completely in the world of these super refined products (like online HD BDSM porn clips, Tiktok, hyper-immersive escapist games, etc) and their minds have obviously been completely fucked by them.

My parents didn't let us use computers in our bedrooms and we didn't have smart phones until adulthood, so my older brothers have basically completely escaped using porn and video games as emotional crutches, but every single man my age I know who didn't have like spectacular instant success with girls and life in general has fallen into this spiral of coping with life through porn and escapism. And how the fuck couldn't they? The world outside is gray concrete behind a paywall, and the online world has been tuned with billions of dollars of corporate research into releasing as much dopamine in their brains as physically possible. It's fucking terrifying. It's almost every. single. young. man. I know.

And the world is basically disparaging and making fun of men for it.

A similar phenomenon has happened with women and social media, but it's kind of a different set of drives being hijacked and it's not causing the same kind of disaster except by making many women's personalities worse, which is just kind of making the world shittier. People rag on them all the time, but we need horny young men who are passionate about random shit to make society work at all, and directing all that energy into porn and entertainment to make certain industries money has actually caused the ruination of almost a whole generation.

Thank you for coming to my sperg
 
cybertoaster said:
She didn't have hidden feelings for you, she wasn't sending you signals, its all in your head dude, she was never interested. If she had then she would've kept going, trust me I know because I had a stalker chick and no she wasn't hot, this is real life not a fucking anime. I seen this shit happen even IRL, is like dudes having a crush on a girl for years, a girl that never even talked to them, ever. And no the chick who bullied you wasn't secretely in love with you, she hated your ass.
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It’s so cathartic reading shit like this, because I thought I was the only one who thought this way.

If a girl is into you, she’d make it abundantly clear. She won’t send you subliminal messages or “mixed signals” like she’s trying to activate a CIA sleeper agent. All this “signals” crap is just dudes coping by trying to rewrite history.
 
EpicGamerMoment said:
It’s so cathartic reading shit like this, because I thought I was the only one who thought this way.
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EpicGamerMoment said:
All this “signals” crap is just dudes coping by trying to rewrite history.
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My take is that if you're really down in your luck and are truly unattractive to the opposite sex (far more common among men than most people realize) it is a nice cope, "Oh I just didn't get the hint silly me!" is better than accepting that no women ever had any romantic interest in you. Many therapists say their most damaged patients are those who are unloved, unloved by parents, unloved by other people, no significant others, no close friends, everybody is just "a colleague" or "someone I know". The difference between men and women is that the women can at the very least expect some pity from others for their condition while men only get scorn.

Truly being a men is like being in business: if you're successful then everybody wants to be your friend and meet you, but the moment things take a nosedive you're basically a pariah, like JFK once said "Victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan" is what its like to be a man.

Back to "that chick was totally into me" cope it tends to happen with the men who obsess over a girl they barely know at all. There's a poignant scene in EoE that most people ignore because its neither action nor bizarre like the rest of the movie. In that scene Shinji is seen just standing holding Misato's cross pendant while looking with disgust at a young Misato getting banged in a dingy apartment. No actual sex is shown its just hinted at but the message is clear, and the narration just drives the point home for the most autistic viewers that no, you (Shinji) don't really know her or what's she's been doing with her life, the image you have of her does not correlate with how she really is. Shinji's mental image of Misato is what he wants her to be and not what she actually is, and this applies to all men who have these fantasies about women they don't actually know but then go and imagine an entire life with them. What they think those women are like is what they wish said women were like, not how they actually are.
 
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soup peddler said:
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I think something that's not quite been discussed with the impact of prawn addiction is that the same energy that's causing men (and women, as an aside the barely-even-a-story YA smut section at my local bookstore has been on an incredible blitzkrieg over the past year) is the same one which fuels creative pursuits (which is why a great number famous artists have been single) meaning that the west is missing out on a massive amount of cultural generation.

And something else that people don't seem to like to touch is premarital sex. This has been an outright nuclear bomb on both men and women. The amount of relationships I've seen that all follow the same formula of:
-Start a relationship for the sex
-its goes okay for the first 2-3 months
-uh oh an argument happens
-sex stops
-relationship implodes

Ideally we would role back votes for women. And then voting for the poor. Then for men at all. Then we go back to having a king (this would be me).
 
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