Incel and Lonely Men Debate thread - Defend men giving up or tell them otherwise

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Not talking, not spending time together? Just the sexual?
Idk, base needs can be kind of amorphous. There’s something emotionally healthy about being around your biological counterpart and being aware that that particular boundary isn’t there. Adam and Eve before the fall, as like, a Jungian archetype.

Not having to say anything or think any particular thought, but your subconscious being satisfied that there’s no outstanding unmet need
 
Idk, base needs can be kind of amorphous. There’s something emotionally healthy about being around your biological counterpart and being aware that that particular boundary isn’t there. Adam and Eve before the fall, as like, a Jungian archetype.

Not having to say anything or think any particular thought, but your subconscious being satisfied that there’s no outstanding unmet need

There are Women paid to interact with Men, say a psychologist for example, although you could get down to nurses and support workers. So it seems like the social is satisfied. And if they need anything else, theres virtually unlimited Women online doing anything you can imagine. So I think that's why some guys are just checking out completely from the dating market.

These guys are getting exactly what they want, without all the drama or cheating or anything else.
 
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There are Women paid to interact with Men, say a psychologist for example, although you could get down to nurses and support workers. So it seems like the social is satisfied. And if they need anything else, theres virtually unlimited Women online doing anything you can imagine. So I think that's why some guys are just checking out completely from the dating market.

These guys are getting exactly what they want, without all the drama or cheating or anything else.
And it's all gone when you turn off the screen and go outside, and you can never be sure it'll still be there when you come back.
That's assuming you even want to come back. Screens are pretty unhealthy. Not a good idea to establish your source of emotional and social fulfillment through it.
 
And it's all gone when you turn off the screen and go outside, and you can never be sure it'll still be there when you come back.
That's assuming you even want to come back. Screens are pretty unhealthy. Not a good idea to establish your source of emotional and social fulfillment through it.

These are Incel NEETS we are talking about, theres barely an outside. And to be fair, no woman would be interested in that anyway, unless they were being paid.
 
There are Women paid to interact with Men, say a psychologist for example. So I feel like the social is satisfied. And if they need anything else, theres virtually unlimited Women online doing anything you can imagine. So I think that's why some guys are just checking out completely from the dating market.
Psychologists have strong professional boundaries. You know you’re talking about ways to trick yourself?
 
Yeah, talking to some stranger. That will fix the problem caused by an external force.

Unlike women men's problems actually exist in reality, so they don't need to just talk their way out of it.
Where is your psyche at in relation to your problems? Is it being crushed under them, or?
 
Psychologists have strong professional boundaries. You know you’re talking about ways to trick yourself?

I'm not sure what you mean. You can talk about anything about your psych unless you come onto her or talk about your suicide plan. It's not exactly a trick. Because you are such a failure no Woman will talk to you about your problems unless shes being paid for it.

Although I've heard of Prostitutes being hired and instead of sex the guy just vents to her and then she hugs him. And the guy is married.
 
I don’t think it’s particularly moral or fair to put the prostitutes in charge of “pacifying” frustrated and violent men. They’re there to have sex, not be de facto psychologists to men who claim they don’t need to see a shrink.
I think in some cases they can help better than psychologists.
It's more for the frustrated, anxious or retarded/autistic not the violent.
It can be an outlet for some to relax (it does not need to be violent).
In my country there's even sexual assistants for retards (providing a blowjob/sex to a retard so he can try sex)
Protitution is legal and protitutes pay taxes and have state mandated STD test where I am from so I am a bit more open to the question.

If it's illegal in your country in can understand seeing protitution differently tho.

Yeah, talking to some stranger. That will fix the problem caused by an external force.

Unlike women men's problems actually exist in reality, so they don't need to just talk their way out of it.
Fuck off dude, this is retarded.
Do you really think women don't experience any hardships?

Yes women are more verbal and neurotic so they go to the psychologist more and have in general less concrete problems, but what you said is retarded.
 
Men are Visual, front loaded, they pretty much don't care about other stuff unless you are a literal screaming meth addict. Women are Mental, back loaded. They want to know what did you study? where do you work? where is your life going? whats your five year plan?

If you are guy looking for a relationship with a girl, you'd better have a plan, even if it's to be the best crack dealer on the block and expand your crack business.
Nonsequitur to avoid replying to what I really said; which is that you think you’re repulsive and need to trick a woman into getting into a relationship with you.

Also what you say (in this post and many others) is stereotyped to the point of caricature. Women aren't a monolith and your dates are at partially evaluating you on your unquantifiable characteristics; she's thinking to herself "do we click?" but you think she's judging your metrics like an AKC judge judging a dog's teeth.

One more thing. I've noticed this attitude or aura about your postings. It's kind of a self-hating, desperate, and anxious disposition. You think you need to trick women into liking you by looksmaxxing or finance-maxxing or getting her drunk. That if she knew the real you, she'd find you repulsive. And you act like you need to line up a bunch of enticements (like a high-paying career, fast car, owns home, has hair, etc.) to attract someone into going steady with you.

My friend! The call is coming from inside the house. This Franz Kafka RP needs to stop. Spergio is right that women can sense desperation, and they can also sense resentment. I can sense it from you from just reading your poor-Eeyore postings. They're so nihilistic and self-defeating that I don't even need to see you in person; I can smell it through the goddamn fiber.

When you land that date, you need to treat her as her own person, and not an avatar of all the things you hate about women. Because if you come off as a self-pitying, resentful, angry guy obsessed with sex, most women are going to pass on you.

Weird way to try to warp what he said in order to shit on men and set women up as burdened martyrs as always.
And you think I have a victim mentality, lol

The reason trafficking is so bad is because otherwise it’s a voluntary position. They put themselves there, and I’m pretty sure that they understand the lay of the land. They probably prefer autistic, awkward guys to potentially violent druggies, so it’s not a bad day for them.
I disagree. And also, perplexed by this first sentence.

People who become prostitutes 'voluntarily' are 99.9% likely to be dealing with some stressor that makes it impossible for them to get enough money any other way. The most obvious reason would be a drug habit; and now you need $200 of fentanyl to get through the day without getting dope-sick. But you've also got mental illness, domestic violence (i.e. your bf makes you do this), homelessness, poverty and debt, all of which could conspire to make someone "voluntarily" become a prostitute when they actually don't want to be.

My honest opinion is that nobody really wants to be a prostitute, and fucking Chris-Chan is not necessarily better than fucking a drug addict.
Idk how well of an understanding you have of the actual process of therapy, but I think just having the sex is enough. If you don’t have insurance, it’s cheaper than therapy on top
I probably have a better idea of what happens in a shrink's room than you, because I usually leave therapy feeling kind of upset and anxious. Kind of the opposite of a happy ending massage.
Yeah, talking to some stranger. That will fix the problem caused by an external force.

Unlike women men's problems actually exist in reality, so they don't need to just talk their way out of it.
You're misinterpreting me. I'm saying that men who visit prostitutes because they're psychologically damaged are also the kind of men who would refuse to go therapy if someone suggested it. I'm going to guess you are one of those guys, since you seem to think that therapists can't help anyone.

Open Question: Do Incels really want sex, or do they want the social recognition of being a sex-haver? Because they seem a lot more hung up on the social implications of having sex than they are about the act of sex. And it's not like they can miss the sensations of sex; they're incels.

If an incel could choose between fucking Stacy, but no one would ever know it happened, or having everyone in their social circle think he fucked Stacy when nothing happened, which would he choose?
 
Also what you say (in this post and many others) is stereotyped to the point of caricature. Women aren't a monolith and your dates are at partially evaluating you on your unquantifiable characteristics; she's thinking to herself "do we click?" but you think she's judging your metrics like an AKC judge judging a dog's teeth.

One more thing. I've noticed this attitude or aura about your postings. It's kind of a self-hating, desperate, and anxious disposition. You think you need to trick women into liking you by looksmaxxing or finance-maxxing or getting her drunk. That if she knew the real you, she'd find you repulsive. And you act like you need to line up a bunch of enticements (like a high-paying career, fast car, owns home, has hair, etc.) to attract someone into going steady with you.
You proceeded to give good advice, but keep in mind you're replying to someone named r9k-speaks. It's either a gimmick account or someone so badly fucked up and deeply lodged inside the r9k pozhole your advice is wasted lol.
 
Yeah, talking to some stranger. That will fix the problem caused by an external force.

Unlike women men's problems actually exist in reality, so they don't need to just talk their way out of it.
Have you ever thought of seeing a therapist to examine your consistent anger towards women? Maybe then you would learn some better social skills...
I think in some cases they can help better than psychologists.
It's more for the frustrated, anxious or retarded/autistic not the violent.
It can be an outlet for some to relax (it does not need to be violent).
In my country there's even sexual assistants for retards (providing a blowjob/sex to a retard so he can try sex)
Protitution is legal and protitutes pay taxes and have state mandated STD test where I am from so I am a bit more open to the question.

If it's illegal in your country in can understand seeing protitution differently tho.
Mm, OK I can agree that visiting a prostitute may be as good as or better than therapy, but only in a few specific situations.

If you're terrified of the act of sex and need to desensitize yourself to taking your clothes off in front of a woman, a whore can help with that.
If you have a weird bent penis and having sex is painful, a whore could probably help you with finding a position that's better for you.
If one's problem was that they had problems with the social skills of sex, a prostitute help overcome the client's autism with a non-judgmental person paid to be patient.

But I do not think all whores are like this, or that they're able to do this kind of work with a client, and I would expect you'd be looking towards hiring the higher-end GFE style escorts instead of street hookers selling 10-minute BJs and 30-minute rolls in the hay.

Honestly tho I think incels fucking whores will cause way more problems than it solves, because it "proves" to the incel that the only way he can attain pussy is by paying for it, which in his mind makes him inferior to men who have sex in a relationship. So he starts to get down towards the blackpilled LDAR phase when you need to worry he's going to shoot up a school or whatever.
 
Yeah married men going to prostitutes is wrong.

When she's got a comfortable life and "Doesn't need to do that anymore", she knows the laws on her side and the husband is just a wage cuck.

The mans options are;

Divorce, laws on her side and he'll get divorced raped
Become celibate, jerk off when she's not around
Have an affair, laws on her side again.
Find one hour to have no strings sex with a prostitute. Because you can forget wanting to spend any disposable income on a wife that's not putting out and if your spending that on her in the hope that she'll put out it's just prostitution with extra steps.

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
 
People who become prostitutes 'voluntarily' are 99.9% likely to be dealing with some stressor that makes it impossible for them to get enough money any other way. The most obvious reason would be a drug habit; and now you need $200 of fentanyl to get through the day without getting dope-sick. But you've also got mental illness, domestic violence (i.e. your bf makes you do this), homelessness, poverty and debt, all of which could conspire to make someone "voluntarily" become a prostitute when they actually don't want to be.
100% of this matches the heroin addict model of a street walking prostitute. The boyfriend you mentioned is throwing up behind a dumpster. Also he’s the one that introduced her to shooting up.

I believe in the death penalty for that guy, full Philippines mode.

That’s not the only model for a prostitute, though. There’s an entire world of amateur, social media “sex therapists” who genuinely approach things from a nurturing perspective. If you can’t get laid on your own and you’ve been psychologically torturing yourself for a decade or more over it, that’s what I’d recommend over high risk street walkers.

I probably have a better idea of what happens in a shrink's room than you, because I usually leave therapy feeling kind of upset and anxious. Kind of the opposite of a happy ending massage.
Idk. I don’t want to be a powerlevelling fag on the subject, but I have had an interest in parts of it for basically my whole life and that has lead me to make interesting friends. I have opinions, and I wouldn’t be comfortable sharing them if I hadn’t had the chance to run them by people whose opinions I respect.

One problem is that you really HAVE to find your feet at some point. We live in a universe of infinite complexity, and if you never get around to firmly gaslighting yourself into having a positive outlook, your problems will become infinitely complex

You go for the “breakthroughs,” there’s never a final solution unless you re-pack everything you’ve un-packed and call it good.
 
Also what you say (in this post and many others) is stereotyped to the point of caricature. Women aren't a monolith and your dates are at partially evaluating you on your unquantifiable characteristics; she's thinking to herself "do we click?" but you think she's judging your metrics like an AKC judge judging a dog's teeth.

Everyone judges people visually all the time. To get a sense of what type of person they are, personal grooming, smell, if their clothes are relatively new and not filled with holes.

It's just that Boys grow up watching the Disney movies and seeing that "when she sees the real you, all the worldly hardships no longer matter" when really, Women have their own priorities for a relationship, just like Men. It's just that some guys are unable to fulfill them. So they're off the list. Even though some might be attractive enough still for a one night stand.

I've never heard a guy say "Unless she's making at least my salary or higher, I'm not interested in a relationship"
 
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It's over bruh...

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