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Is this guy still racist? Him and Marge would be a cute, hateful couple.
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Something occurred to me: Sweet claims he has two degrees, but also that he was kicked out of ASU before he finished his education.
Did he go on to study elsewhere? Had he obtained one degree at ASU before bann happened?
Did he go on to study elsewhere? Had he obtained one degree at ASU before bann happened?
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Has a degree, wants to work at a college paper. Can't let go of half-girlfriend from years ago, analog cable, or anything from before the millennium. Racist and sexist. Conservative who's too busy blaming others to pull himself up by his own bootstraps. Anything I missed about this neckbeard?
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Just one thing as far as I can tell -- He's a sexual deviant and into kids shows like Kim Possible and My Little Pony.
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Um .... Ah, yeah, the half-girlfriend may not even be that. Oh, and an obsession with the lower GI tract and it's products.
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Good point. How many times did Ike meet her in person? Once?
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Does he know that you can't make a living working on a college newspaper?
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He's not making a living now.
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Oh I know. It's just insane that while he's unemployed, he's fixated on getting back in with his former college newspaper. Like, even if he somehow got unbanned by Mary Lee Wal--I mean, the dean of the university, he'd still be unemployed.
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STOP-PRESS: Sweet has no reason to complain about this thread, or IceCreamMan's upcoming wiki article! Read all about it!
If that's what you always say, Sweet Bro, then who are we koalas to argue? We'll go right on ahead, freely using and parodying things you've said/posted on public forums
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Sometimes, Sweet urinates into a plastic bottle so he doesn't have to get up from watching TV.
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In what can hardly be considered breaking news - more evidence that Sweet Bro says racist things frequently. Because he is a bigot.
Hearteningly, this particular slice of homespun racism was universally rebutted by other AJM users, who pointed out that race had nothing to do with the quality city management.
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I found a very enlightening exchange from 2011 between Sweet Bro and an AJM poster called Nightspade, who comes off as a genuinely cool guy who thinks rationally and is not a racist.
It's a long read, hence the spoilers - and the formatting might be messed up on this site.
Among the highlights:
Sweet repeats the story of a gang of black people beating up his mother; but in this version he adds that it happened during the Rodney King riots, and that his mother's eye was "put out", suggesting loss of vision. The Rodney King reference dates this to the summer of 1992, meaning Sweet would have been 16 years old.
Sweet also pretty much concurs with the members here who judge him a coward - albeit in a general sense rather than specifically over this incident:
"A weak passive-agressive existence". He used to be so much more self-aware. Now if someone described him this way, he'd doubtless respond with a snatch of that special "idiot" eye-dialect which I am increasingly certain is actually his own normal mode of speech.
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If that's what you always say, Sweet Bro, then who are we koalas to argue? We'll go right on ahead, freely using and parodying things you've said/posted on public forums
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Sometimes, Sweet urinates into a plastic bottle so he doesn't have to get up from watching TV.
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In what can hardly be considered breaking news - more evidence that Sweet Bro says racist things frequently. Because he is a bigot.
Hearteningly, this particular slice of homespun racism was universally rebutted by other AJM users, who pointed out that race had nothing to do with the quality city management.
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I found a very enlightening exchange from 2011 between Sweet Bro and an AJM poster called Nightspade, who comes off as a genuinely cool guy who thinks rationally and is not a racist.
It's a long read, hence the spoilers - and the formatting might be messed up on this site.
Among the highlights:
Sweet repeats the story of a gang of black people beating up his mother; but in this version he adds that it happened during the Rodney King riots, and that his mother's eye was "put out", suggesting loss of vision. The Rodney King reference dates this to the summer of 1992, meaning Sweet would have been 16 years old.
Sweet also pretty much concurs with the members here who judge him a coward - albeit in a general sense rather than specifically over this incident:
"A weak passive-agressive existence". He used to be so much more self-aware. Now if someone described him this way, he'd doubtless respond with a snatch of that special "idiot" eye-dialect which I am increasingly certain is actually his own normal mode of speech.
Post by Nightspade on Mar 23, 2011 at 3:36pm
California mother arrested for encouraging son to fight
What a vulgar woman.
Last Edit: Mar 23, 2011 at 3:38pm by Nightspade
Post by Nightspade on Mar 25, 2011 at 1:12am
Mar 23, 2011 at 10:31pm Omar said:
In my opinion the other kid from what sounds like on the video started the whole thing. I'm sorry to say when you call someone a "weak punk
" That can turn out to be fighting words. Yes she could have just broken it up, but since the other kid was looking for a fight. Then it's self defense.
Tell me exactly what it is he's defending himself from. Is it the mean name? The adolescent bravado of the other boy? Maybe he's just doing it for street cred? If the other kid was looking for a fight she should have behaved like a reasonable adult and told him to leave.
Mar 23, 2011 at 10:31pm Omar said:
Plus when you think of it could have been a lot worst then the mom encouraging her son to fight.
Yeah, she could have endangered the safety and welfare of hers and someone else's kid some other way.
Also the kid in the video who says it's okay from them to fight because they are in the front yard needs to stay the hell in school.
Last Edit: Mar 25, 2011 at 1:15am by Nightspade
Post by Dr. Belch on Mar 25, 2011 at 2:22am
Mar 25, 2011 at 1:12am Nightspade said:
Tell me exactly what it is he's defending himself from.
A bully. The mother and the son did what needed to be done. Next time maybe the other kid shows up, brings along a couple of friends. Maybe it's on a public street, maybe it's a dark alley, maybe outside a pool hall or in front of the welfare office. Maybe next time it isn't just words--the other boy or one of his posse brings a switchblade, or a chain, or even a gun. I grew up in a very...ethnic neighborhood, shall we say. I know how these things go down. If the kid backs down now he'll be backing down for the rest of his life, and he'll have nothing. He did the other boy a favor. Maybe now that he's taken his lumps, little Mr. Smartmouth will think twice about gobbing off. Next time he might sass the wrong someone and come out with more than a split lip and wounded pride. Of course, the mother should let her son know that fighting isn't always the answer, but if your honor--or that of someone you care about--is at stake it's sometimes the only way.
Post by Nightspade on Mar 25, 2011 at 3:03am
Mar 25, 2011 at 2:22am Dr. Belch said:
A bully. The mother and the son did what needed to be done.
No, all they did was behave like fools. And after watching the video I don't think our little delinquent is innocent either. The only person who did what needed to be done was the man who stepped in and stopped that madness.
Mar 25, 2011 at 2:22am Dr. Belch said:
Next time maybe the other kid shows up, brings along a couple of friends. Maybe it's on a public street, maybe it's a dark alley, maybe outside a pool hall or in front of the welfare office. Maybe next time it isn't just words--the other boy or one of his posse brings a switchblade, or a chain, or even a gun.
Yeah, now that he has a reason to want revenge he's totally not going to do one of those things. Not at all.
Mar 25, 2011 at 2:22am Dr. Belch said:
I grew up in a very...ethnic neighborhood, shall we say. I know how these things go down.
Racist, and I mean that in most objective way I can having grown up as one of those non-white ethnicities. And it seems I have a better understanding of how these things go down than you. It's called escalation of violence. Or a cycle of revenge if you want to be slightly poetic.
Mar 25, 2011 at 2:22am Dr. Belch said:
If the kid backs down now he'll be backing down for the rest of his life, and he'll have nothing.
Question: How is the mother behaving like any well reasoned adult and sending the kid away or calling the cops backing down? How is the boy walking away from a stupid round of name calling okay? Also, I'm interested in knowing how we all know the extent of the bullying. I mean, we all must know that right? How else can we say this was appropriate?
Mar 25, 2011 at 2:22am Dr. Belch said:
He did the other boy a favor. Maybe now that he's taken his lumps, little Mr. Smartmouth will think twice about gobbing off. Next time he might sass the wrong someone and come out with more than a split lip and wounded pride.
Maybe next time he corners the kid with a knife as a way of thanking him for the favor. Maybe next time he brings a gun or one of those other weapons you mentioned. Maybe next time he joins a gang and they roll up on the block.
Mar 25, 2011 at 2:22am Dr. Belch said:
Of course, the mother should let her son know that fighting isn't always the answer, but if your honor--or that of someone you care about--is at stake it's sometimes the only way.
This wasn't about honor, honor had nothing to do with this. The only honorable person here was the Good Samaritan. This was about foolish pride. The pride of the fool boy who couldn't walk away when called a name. The pride of the fool mother who was more offended by what people where thinking of her son than by what might be healthiest for him. The pride of the other young fool who was motivated into a fight for stupid, stupid reason.
Honestly, we should never encourage our kids to fight, especially when we're standing right there and can stop it! Fighting is a last resort only when you've run out of options, and those people hadn't run out of options. Just intelligence. Did that mother even for one second consider the safety of her child? What would have happened if the other boy was armed? What if he knew martial arts? What if he did have a gang? And then they found out she encouraged the fight? They'd burn her property to the ground.
And the kid in the video who kept going 'it's okay, we're on the front yard' really needs to stay in school. I know I already said it but it bares repeating again because... my God, you can't tell me someone who pays attention to his studies is that stupid.
Last Edit: Mar 25, 2011 at 3:04am by Nightspade
Post by Dr. Belch on Mar 25, 2011 at 9:34am
Mar 25, 2011 at 3:03am Nightspade said:
Racist, and I mean that in most objective way I can...
Oh, blah-blah-blah. Not that tired old argument again. [yawn] You bore me. I know you're better than that. Obviously Southernerns and Yankees have vastly different ideas on what racism is. For us it's merely a matter of course. It's not a racist society we live in; it's just a racially polarized one. Look at the lunch table in the high-school cafeteria, or the residence halls in college, with the first three or four floors mostly black, and the upper stories nearly all white. It's simply how things iron out. No one really thinks about it, it just is. If there ishate and violence it's coming from their side of the aisle, not mine (cf. the Rodney King affair). This mom was lucky the other kid was white, otherwise they'd try to pin a hate crime on her too.
Trust me, I've dealt with bullies all my life--in the neighborhood, in the schoolyard, in the workplace--and I know they will generally back down with a good show of force. I made the mistake of not dealing with someone who was hurting me early on, and for years I regretted it, because over time the torment just got worse.
You're making too much of it. Kids fight and get into scuffles all the time. I say let the little monsters get it out of their systems and be done with it. After all is said and done they might come out of this with some mutual respect, even become fabulous friends.
Last Edit: Mar 25, 2011 at 6:47pm by Dr. Belch
Post by Nightspade on Mar 27, 2011 at 6:54am
Mar 25, 2011 at 9:34am Dr. Belch said:
Mar 25, 2011 at 3:03am Nightspade said:
Racist, and I mean that in most objective way I can...
Oh, blah-blah-blah. Not that tired old argument again. [yawn] You bore me. I know you're better than that.
No, not an argument. As you yourself quoted me as saying, it was an objective statement of fact.
Mar 25, 2011 at 9:34am Dr. Belch said:
Obviously Southernerns and Yankees have vastly different ideas on what racism is.
Let the record show that I am from the south and currently live in the south. And racism is racism no matter what standard you go by. The minute you make a judgment of someone based on their race is the minute you become a racist. It'd be like saying all white people listen to country or all Hispanics listen to the Mexican hat dance.
Mar 25, 2011 at 9:34am Dr. Belch said:
For us it's merely a matter of course. It's not a racist society we live in; it's just a racially polarized one. Look at the lunch table in the high-school cafeteria, or the residence halls in college, with the first three or four floors mostly black, and the upper stories nearly all white.
The hell are you talking about? My lunch tables in high school were fairly mixed racially. The same for every college residence hall I've seen. (Admittedly I've just seen two, but my point still stands.)
Mar 25, 2011 at 9:34am Dr. Belch said:
It's simply how things iron out. No one really thinks about it, it just is. If there ishate and violence it's coming from their side of the aisle, not mine (cf. the Rodney King affair). This mom was lucky the other kid was white, otherwise they'd try to pin a hate crime on her too.
So with that last sentence you admit that race had absolutely nothing to do with it. That begs the question of why you decided to bring it up at all. Care to answer? Establish relevance please.
Mar 25, 2011 at 9:34am Dr. Belch said:
Trust me, I've dealt with bullies all my life--in the neighborhood, in the schoolyard, in the workplace--and I know they will generally back down with a good show of force. I made the mistake of not dealing with someone who was hurting me early on, and for years I regretted it, because over time the torment just got worse.
Standing up to a bully and getting into a bare knuckle brawl while mommy sits back and coaches you are two different things. If anything that kid's torment is going to intensify now. 'Haha, look there's Jimmy! Hey Jimmy! Your mom gonna tell you how to do a suplex while I steal your lunch money?
Mar 25, 2011 at 9:34am Dr. Belch said:
You're making too much of it. Kids fight and get into scuffles all the time. I say let the little monsters get it out of their systems and be done with it. After all is said and done they might come out of this with some mutual respect, even become fabulous friends.
I can admit that I may be overreacting. But I see this woman and I see everything wrong with America today. I see a guest on Jerry Springer or Maury. I see someone on COPS. I see someone who watches reality TV and thinks it's high caliber entertainment. I see no trace of morality or conscience, only a selfishness born of a narrow world view that puts herself above others. Did you see how close to the side walk those two boys were? Think of the damage that could have been inflicted to either of them had that Samaritan not shown up. You call that good parenting? I call it child endangerment. She wasn't concerned at all for the safety or well being of her child, she just cared about his rep and by extension her own. I don't think someone like that ought to have custody at all quite honestly.
And as far as kids getting into fights all the time, they're always broken up when an adult sees them. That woman wasn't an adult, she's 32 and her son is 15. She wasn't much older than him when she had him. Think about this too, those boys were 15, not seven or eight. 15 is too old to be getting into fist fights for anyone with a non-criminal future ahead of them. When I was 15 I was minding my studies while the hoodlums teased and mocked and did what ever manner of criminal act you may care to name. Now I'm in school and they're on the streets or in jail. I would be lying if I claimed I experience no schadenfreude.
Post by Dr. Belch on Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am
I just mentioned in passing that I grew up in a black neighborhood; you siezed upon it and made a very unfair judgement about me based on my upbringing. I could cry reverse racism, or call upon the Jesse Jackson argument and say that since racism is about power and I have none, I cannot be a true racist...but I'll spare you.
We must have grown up in different parts of the South, because for me the lines were clearly delininated. Blacks and whites tended to keep to their lasts. There were "good" parts of town and "bad" ones, and we know who tended to live where the bad ones were. Again, just a fact. Sure, I knew plently of white trash too--these were the kids who often hung out on street corners, smoked Marlboros, had the homemade tattoos, and thought it great fun to harass people. I minded my studies, too, but, you know, that didn't keep rocks and whiskey bottles from getting thrown at my front windows, or two blacks from trying to kick my head in at a bus stop outside my high school one afternoon. Far from it. You try being a skinny white kid in glasses living in the 'burbs and seeing how many fights you get into, mister vegetarian in the bull paddock. They didn't stop when grown-ups came around, either. These punks would simply turn right around and harass them. My mother was an adult, and she had her eye put out right in front of our home by a gang of Negro thugs, in the name of another Negro thug named Rodney King. Perhaps this colored--do forgive the pun--my views on race relations somewhat.
In her own crude fashion this woman has taught her son a valuable lesson: the world is governed by aggression. I wish my parents had taught me this early in life; I might be a lot happier now. Instead I've pretty much lived a weak passive-aggressive existence, having to give up everything I've ever loved to the stronger and faster people around me, watching them live it up. Playing it straight has gotten me nowhere. I write about heroes but have never been one. This boy could be on his way to becoming a respected leader or powerful CEO someday, because he has learned to stand up and be a taker.
Last Edit: Mar 27, 2011 at 2:52pm by Dr. Belch
Post by Nightspade on Mar 27, 2011 at 9:18pm
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
I just mentioned in passing that I grew up in a black neighborhood; you siezed upon it and made a very unfair judgement about me based on my upbringing. I could cry reverse racism, or call upon the Jesse Jackson argument and say that since racism is about power and I have none, I cannot be a true racist...but I'll spare you.
You still haven't explained why you even brought it up.
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
...you siezed upon it and made a very unfair judgement about me based on my upbringing.
No, I made an assessment of your opinion, you didn't mention your upbringing until later. Also, I wouldn't call it unfair. A man's personal beliefs and world view are integral to his character, would you not agree? If you can't take the measure of a man by his character than what can you use to asses him?
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
I could cry reverse racism, or call upon the Jesse Jackson argument and say that since racism is about power and I have none, I cannot be a true racist...but I'll spare you.
There is no such thing as 'reverse' racism, racism is racism no matter which way it goes and it's wrong. Jesse Jackson is not the spokesman for black people everywhere, any more than Rush Limbaugh or Rev. Fred Phelps are the spokesmen for conservatives everywhere.
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
We must have grown up in different parts of the South, because for me the lines were clearly delininated.
In my previous post I may have given the impression that racism is nonexistent where I live and where I grew up. That was not the case, there were several instances in my childhood of racism, but on the whole I grew up in a very progressive part of the south. It's not like everyone in a specific region, especially a region as large and as diverse as the American south, goes by the same set of social norms and standards. Intolerance is not excusable simply because of upbringing.
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
Sure, I knew plently of white trash too--these were the kids who often hung out on street corners, smoked Marlboros, had the homemade tattoos, and thought it great fun to harass people.
Proof that stupidity transcends race. So does rationality and intelligence.
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
I minded my studies, too, but, you know, that didn't keep rocks and whiskey bottles from getting thrown at my front windows, or two blacks from trying to kick my head in at a bus stop outside my high school one afternoon. Far from it. You try being a skinny white kid in glasses living in the 'burbs and seeing how many fights you get into, mister vegetarian in the bull paddock.
I think my diet is a little too high in beef and too low in all things non-meat for me to be considered a vegetarian.
Quips aside, I'll give being the skinny white kid a shot when you give being a black man a shot.
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
They didn't stop when grown-ups came around, either. These punks would simply turn right around and harass them.
Adults and parents without spines have no authority.
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
My mother was an adult, and she had her eye put out right in front of our home by a gang of Negro thugs, in the name of another Negro thug named Rodney King. Perhaps this colored--do forgive the pun--my views on race relations somewhat.
You keep bringing up Rodney King; I'm curious about something. What is your opinion of the officers who participated in the beating?
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
In her own crude fashion this woman has taught her son a valuable lesson: the world is governed by aggression.
The correct lesson to teach would have been 'the world is full of stupid people who only respect or understand power. If you can avoid them, do so. If you cannot then you must defend yourself.' But she didn't teach him that, did she? No she taught him that it is acceptable for an adult to condone violence and that criminal acts are legal as long as they're done on your property. I hope the trial teaches him another lesson, that his mother is an idiot.
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
I wish my parents had taught me this early in life; I might be a lot happier now. Instead I've pretty much lived a weak passive-aggressive existence, having to give up everything I've ever loved to the stronger and faster people around me, watching them live it up.
There is nothing stopping you from doing that now though. You can go to another school, you can get a degree or training in a profession of your choice, you can save money and buy some nice land and build a house there. Isn't the American dream the freedom to pursue happiness? What's stopping you from your happiness other than yourself?
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
Playing it straight has gotten me nowhere. I write about heroes but have never been one.
Set a goal for yourself, man up and achieve it! Don't aspire for greatness, just aim to be a good person and strive for personal success. I can't tell you what it means to be successful in this life, that's up to you. Some define success as having money, others as having a family, still others find success in satisfying and helping others in need. Everything is okay so long as no one is hurt.
You say you write heroes but never act like one? I know you're a Spider-man fan (me too, btw), so I know you like to read about heroes too. Be your own hero. Don't believe in yourself because someone else does, believe in the Jonathan Sweet who believes in himself! I totally got that line from Gurren Lagann, but it's what you need to do!
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
This boy could be on his way to becoming a respected leader or powerful CEO someday, because he has learned to stand up and be a taker.
Somehow I doubt that.
California mother arrested for encouraging son to fight
What a vulgar woman.
Last Edit: Mar 23, 2011 at 3:38pm by Nightspade
Post by Nightspade on Mar 25, 2011 at 1:12am
Mar 23, 2011 at 10:31pm Omar said:
In my opinion the other kid from what sounds like on the video started the whole thing. I'm sorry to say when you call someone a "weak punk
Tell me exactly what it is he's defending himself from. Is it the mean name? The adolescent bravado of the other boy? Maybe he's just doing it for street cred? If the other kid was looking for a fight she should have behaved like a reasonable adult and told him to leave.
Mar 23, 2011 at 10:31pm Omar said:
Plus when you think of it could have been a lot worst then the mom encouraging her son to fight.
Yeah, she could have endangered the safety and welfare of hers and someone else's kid some other way.
Also the kid in the video who says it's okay from them to fight because they are in the front yard needs to stay the hell in school.
Last Edit: Mar 25, 2011 at 1:15am by Nightspade
Post by Dr. Belch on Mar 25, 2011 at 2:22am
Mar 25, 2011 at 1:12am Nightspade said:
Tell me exactly what it is he's defending himself from.
A bully. The mother and the son did what needed to be done. Next time maybe the other kid shows up, brings along a couple of friends. Maybe it's on a public street, maybe it's a dark alley, maybe outside a pool hall or in front of the welfare office. Maybe next time it isn't just words--the other boy or one of his posse brings a switchblade, or a chain, or even a gun. I grew up in a very...ethnic neighborhood, shall we say. I know how these things go down. If the kid backs down now he'll be backing down for the rest of his life, and he'll have nothing. He did the other boy a favor. Maybe now that he's taken his lumps, little Mr. Smartmouth will think twice about gobbing off. Next time he might sass the wrong someone and come out with more than a split lip and wounded pride. Of course, the mother should let her son know that fighting isn't always the answer, but if your honor--or that of someone you care about--is at stake it's sometimes the only way.
Post by Nightspade on Mar 25, 2011 at 3:03am
Mar 25, 2011 at 2:22am Dr. Belch said:
A bully. The mother and the son did what needed to be done.
No, all they did was behave like fools. And after watching the video I don't think our little delinquent is innocent either. The only person who did what needed to be done was the man who stepped in and stopped that madness.
Mar 25, 2011 at 2:22am Dr. Belch said:
Next time maybe the other kid shows up, brings along a couple of friends. Maybe it's on a public street, maybe it's a dark alley, maybe outside a pool hall or in front of the welfare office. Maybe next time it isn't just words--the other boy or one of his posse brings a switchblade, or a chain, or even a gun.
Yeah, now that he has a reason to want revenge he's totally not going to do one of those things. Not at all.
Mar 25, 2011 at 2:22am Dr. Belch said:
I grew up in a very...ethnic neighborhood, shall we say. I know how these things go down.
Racist, and I mean that in most objective way I can having grown up as one of those non-white ethnicities. And it seems I have a better understanding of how these things go down than you. It's called escalation of violence. Or a cycle of revenge if you want to be slightly poetic.
Mar 25, 2011 at 2:22am Dr. Belch said:
If the kid backs down now he'll be backing down for the rest of his life, and he'll have nothing.
Question: How is the mother behaving like any well reasoned adult and sending the kid away or calling the cops backing down? How is the boy walking away from a stupid round of name calling okay? Also, I'm interested in knowing how we all know the extent of the bullying. I mean, we all must know that right? How else can we say this was appropriate?
Mar 25, 2011 at 2:22am Dr. Belch said:
He did the other boy a favor. Maybe now that he's taken his lumps, little Mr. Smartmouth will think twice about gobbing off. Next time he might sass the wrong someone and come out with more than a split lip and wounded pride.
Maybe next time he corners the kid with a knife as a way of thanking him for the favor. Maybe next time he brings a gun or one of those other weapons you mentioned. Maybe next time he joins a gang and they roll up on the block.
Mar 25, 2011 at 2:22am Dr. Belch said:
Of course, the mother should let her son know that fighting isn't always the answer, but if your honor--or that of someone you care about--is at stake it's sometimes the only way.
This wasn't about honor, honor had nothing to do with this. The only honorable person here was the Good Samaritan. This was about foolish pride. The pride of the fool boy who couldn't walk away when called a name. The pride of the fool mother who was more offended by what people where thinking of her son than by what might be healthiest for him. The pride of the other young fool who was motivated into a fight for stupid, stupid reason.
Honestly, we should never encourage our kids to fight, especially when we're standing right there and can stop it! Fighting is a last resort only when you've run out of options, and those people hadn't run out of options. Just intelligence. Did that mother even for one second consider the safety of her child? What would have happened if the other boy was armed? What if he knew martial arts? What if he did have a gang? And then they found out she encouraged the fight? They'd burn her property to the ground.
And the kid in the video who kept going 'it's okay, we're on the front yard' really needs to stay in school. I know I already said it but it bares repeating again because... my God, you can't tell me someone who pays attention to his studies is that stupid.
Last Edit: Mar 25, 2011 at 3:04am by Nightspade
Post by Dr. Belch on Mar 25, 2011 at 9:34am
Mar 25, 2011 at 3:03am Nightspade said:
Racist, and I mean that in most objective way I can...
Oh, blah-blah-blah. Not that tired old argument again. [yawn] You bore me. I know you're better than that. Obviously Southernerns and Yankees have vastly different ideas on what racism is. For us it's merely a matter of course. It's not a racist society we live in; it's just a racially polarized one. Look at the lunch table in the high-school cafeteria, or the residence halls in college, with the first three or four floors mostly black, and the upper stories nearly all white. It's simply how things iron out. No one really thinks about it, it just is. If there ishate and violence it's coming from their side of the aisle, not mine (cf. the Rodney King affair). This mom was lucky the other kid was white, otherwise they'd try to pin a hate crime on her too.
Trust me, I've dealt with bullies all my life--in the neighborhood, in the schoolyard, in the workplace--and I know they will generally back down with a good show of force. I made the mistake of not dealing with someone who was hurting me early on, and for years I regretted it, because over time the torment just got worse.
You're making too much of it. Kids fight and get into scuffles all the time. I say let the little monsters get it out of their systems and be done with it. After all is said and done they might come out of this with some mutual respect, even become fabulous friends.
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Post by Nightspade on Mar 27, 2011 at 6:54am
Mar 25, 2011 at 9:34am Dr. Belch said:
Mar 25, 2011 at 3:03am Nightspade said:
Racist, and I mean that in most objective way I can...
Oh, blah-blah-blah. Not that tired old argument again. [yawn] You bore me. I know you're better than that.
No, not an argument. As you yourself quoted me as saying, it was an objective statement of fact.
Mar 25, 2011 at 9:34am Dr. Belch said:
Obviously Southernerns and Yankees have vastly different ideas on what racism is.
Let the record show that I am from the south and currently live in the south. And racism is racism no matter what standard you go by. The minute you make a judgment of someone based on their race is the minute you become a racist. It'd be like saying all white people listen to country or all Hispanics listen to the Mexican hat dance.
Mar 25, 2011 at 9:34am Dr. Belch said:
For us it's merely a matter of course. It's not a racist society we live in; it's just a racially polarized one. Look at the lunch table in the high-school cafeteria, or the residence halls in college, with the first three or four floors mostly black, and the upper stories nearly all white.
The hell are you talking about? My lunch tables in high school were fairly mixed racially. The same for every college residence hall I've seen. (Admittedly I've just seen two, but my point still stands.)
Mar 25, 2011 at 9:34am Dr. Belch said:
It's simply how things iron out. No one really thinks about it, it just is. If there ishate and violence it's coming from their side of the aisle, not mine (cf. the Rodney King affair). This mom was lucky the other kid was white, otherwise they'd try to pin a hate crime on her too.
So with that last sentence you admit that race had absolutely nothing to do with it. That begs the question of why you decided to bring it up at all. Care to answer? Establish relevance please.
Mar 25, 2011 at 9:34am Dr. Belch said:
Trust me, I've dealt with bullies all my life--in the neighborhood, in the schoolyard, in the workplace--and I know they will generally back down with a good show of force. I made the mistake of not dealing with someone who was hurting me early on, and for years I regretted it, because over time the torment just got worse.
Standing up to a bully and getting into a bare knuckle brawl while mommy sits back and coaches you are two different things. If anything that kid's torment is going to intensify now. 'Haha, look there's Jimmy! Hey Jimmy! Your mom gonna tell you how to do a suplex while I steal your lunch money?
Mar 25, 2011 at 9:34am Dr. Belch said:
You're making too much of it. Kids fight and get into scuffles all the time. I say let the little monsters get it out of their systems and be done with it. After all is said and done they might come out of this with some mutual respect, even become fabulous friends.
I can admit that I may be overreacting. But I see this woman and I see everything wrong with America today. I see a guest on Jerry Springer or Maury. I see someone on COPS. I see someone who watches reality TV and thinks it's high caliber entertainment. I see no trace of morality or conscience, only a selfishness born of a narrow world view that puts herself above others. Did you see how close to the side walk those two boys were? Think of the damage that could have been inflicted to either of them had that Samaritan not shown up. You call that good parenting? I call it child endangerment. She wasn't concerned at all for the safety or well being of her child, she just cared about his rep and by extension her own. I don't think someone like that ought to have custody at all quite honestly.
And as far as kids getting into fights all the time, they're always broken up when an adult sees them. That woman wasn't an adult, she's 32 and her son is 15. She wasn't much older than him when she had him. Think about this too, those boys were 15, not seven or eight. 15 is too old to be getting into fist fights for anyone with a non-criminal future ahead of them. When I was 15 I was minding my studies while the hoodlums teased and mocked and did what ever manner of criminal act you may care to name. Now I'm in school and they're on the streets or in jail. I would be lying if I claimed I experience no schadenfreude.
Post by Dr. Belch on Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am
I just mentioned in passing that I grew up in a black neighborhood; you siezed upon it and made a very unfair judgement about me based on my upbringing. I could cry reverse racism, or call upon the Jesse Jackson argument and say that since racism is about power and I have none, I cannot be a true racist...but I'll spare you.
We must have grown up in different parts of the South, because for me the lines were clearly delininated. Blacks and whites tended to keep to their lasts. There were "good" parts of town and "bad" ones, and we know who tended to live where the bad ones were. Again, just a fact. Sure, I knew plently of white trash too--these were the kids who often hung out on street corners, smoked Marlboros, had the homemade tattoos, and thought it great fun to harass people. I minded my studies, too, but, you know, that didn't keep rocks and whiskey bottles from getting thrown at my front windows, or two blacks from trying to kick my head in at a bus stop outside my high school one afternoon. Far from it. You try being a skinny white kid in glasses living in the 'burbs and seeing how many fights you get into, mister vegetarian in the bull paddock. They didn't stop when grown-ups came around, either. These punks would simply turn right around and harass them. My mother was an adult, and she had her eye put out right in front of our home by a gang of Negro thugs, in the name of another Negro thug named Rodney King. Perhaps this colored--do forgive the pun--my views on race relations somewhat.
In her own crude fashion this woman has taught her son a valuable lesson: the world is governed by aggression. I wish my parents had taught me this early in life; I might be a lot happier now. Instead I've pretty much lived a weak passive-aggressive existence, having to give up everything I've ever loved to the stronger and faster people around me, watching them live it up. Playing it straight has gotten me nowhere. I write about heroes but have never been one. This boy could be on his way to becoming a respected leader or powerful CEO someday, because he has learned to stand up and be a taker.
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Post by Nightspade on Mar 27, 2011 at 9:18pm
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
I just mentioned in passing that I grew up in a black neighborhood; you siezed upon it and made a very unfair judgement about me based on my upbringing. I could cry reverse racism, or call upon the Jesse Jackson argument and say that since racism is about power and I have none, I cannot be a true racist...but I'll spare you.
You still haven't explained why you even brought it up.
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
...you siezed upon it and made a very unfair judgement about me based on my upbringing.
No, I made an assessment of your opinion, you didn't mention your upbringing until later. Also, I wouldn't call it unfair. A man's personal beliefs and world view are integral to his character, would you not agree? If you can't take the measure of a man by his character than what can you use to asses him?
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
I could cry reverse racism, or call upon the Jesse Jackson argument and say that since racism is about power and I have none, I cannot be a true racist...but I'll spare you.
There is no such thing as 'reverse' racism, racism is racism no matter which way it goes and it's wrong. Jesse Jackson is not the spokesman for black people everywhere, any more than Rush Limbaugh or Rev. Fred Phelps are the spokesmen for conservatives everywhere.
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
We must have grown up in different parts of the South, because for me the lines were clearly delininated.
In my previous post I may have given the impression that racism is nonexistent where I live and where I grew up. That was not the case, there were several instances in my childhood of racism, but on the whole I grew up in a very progressive part of the south. It's not like everyone in a specific region, especially a region as large and as diverse as the American south, goes by the same set of social norms and standards. Intolerance is not excusable simply because of upbringing.
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
Sure, I knew plently of white trash too--these were the kids who often hung out on street corners, smoked Marlboros, had the homemade tattoos, and thought it great fun to harass people.
Proof that stupidity transcends race. So does rationality and intelligence.
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
I minded my studies, too, but, you know, that didn't keep rocks and whiskey bottles from getting thrown at my front windows, or two blacks from trying to kick my head in at a bus stop outside my high school one afternoon. Far from it. You try being a skinny white kid in glasses living in the 'burbs and seeing how many fights you get into, mister vegetarian in the bull paddock.
I think my diet is a little too high in beef and too low in all things non-meat for me to be considered a vegetarian.
Quips aside, I'll give being the skinny white kid a shot when you give being a black man a shot.
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
They didn't stop when grown-ups came around, either. These punks would simply turn right around and harass them.
Adults and parents without spines have no authority.
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
My mother was an adult, and she had her eye put out right in front of our home by a gang of Negro thugs, in the name of another Negro thug named Rodney King. Perhaps this colored--do forgive the pun--my views on race relations somewhat.
You keep bringing up Rodney King; I'm curious about something. What is your opinion of the officers who participated in the beating?
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
In her own crude fashion this woman has taught her son a valuable lesson: the world is governed by aggression.
The correct lesson to teach would have been 'the world is full of stupid people who only respect or understand power. If you can avoid them, do so. If you cannot then you must defend yourself.' But she didn't teach him that, did she? No she taught him that it is acceptable for an adult to condone violence and that criminal acts are legal as long as they're done on your property. I hope the trial teaches him another lesson, that his mother is an idiot.
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
I wish my parents had taught me this early in life; I might be a lot happier now. Instead I've pretty much lived a weak passive-aggressive existence, having to give up everything I've ever loved to the stronger and faster people around me, watching them live it up.
There is nothing stopping you from doing that now though. You can go to another school, you can get a degree or training in a profession of your choice, you can save money and buy some nice land and build a house there. Isn't the American dream the freedom to pursue happiness? What's stopping you from your happiness other than yourself?
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
Playing it straight has gotten me nowhere. I write about heroes but have never been one.
Set a goal for yourself, man up and achieve it! Don't aspire for greatness, just aim to be a good person and strive for personal success. I can't tell you what it means to be successful in this life, that's up to you. Some define success as having money, others as having a family, still others find success in satisfying and helping others in need. Everything is okay so long as no one is hurt.
You say you write heroes but never act like one? I know you're a Spider-man fan (me too, btw), so I know you like to read about heroes too. Be your own hero. Don't believe in yourself because someone else does, believe in the Jonathan Sweet who believes in himself! I totally got that line from Gurren Lagann, but it's what you need to do!
Mar 27, 2011 at 7:26am Dr. Belch said:
This boy could be on his way to becoming a respected leader or powerful CEO someday, because he has learned to stand up and be a taker.
Somehow I doubt that.
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Good golly...man you're making this so much easier, you have no idea.
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Thanks, TheIceCreamMan. It's my pleasure. There's just something that appeals to me about individuals like Sweet Bro and Jay Geis, who thoroughly demonstrate themselves to be lolcows through nothing more than their own writings. This wiki is going to be awesome - thank you for doing your spot of newspapermanship on our dear Doctor Belch
Just going to post the last results of my rummage through the seasonal Sweets assortment:
Jonathan Sweet has an amazing ability to deflect blame from himself. Apparently, the college food made him "fat and gassy" after a year. Yet at every opportunity he points out that he had buffet dining three times a day.
Who's to blame for you getting fat when you can choose what you eat and how much you eat of it, Sweet Bro? You are.
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According to our learned friend, being a liberal makes you ugly.
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Sweet seems unwilling to let go of his pet theory that the Virginia Tech shooting may have been precipitated by an evil young woman, like the one thattrolled totally fell in real love over the phone with Sweet before ditching dumping him 10 minutes into their first meeting.
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He really seems serious about wanting to build "college living" apartments, where the (presumably all white male) residents would get the fabled buffet meals three times a day, and of course would be guaranteed the attention of thetrolls totally real young women who call up only Sweet every college guy ever for phone sex each night.
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Sweet frequently demonstrates a lack of awareness for appropriate social norms. For instance, while posting (erroneously, as it turned out) that Gabrielle Giffords had died, he gave over the majority of his post to nitpicking a local radio presenter's pronunciation.
Just going to post the last results of my rummage through the seasonal Sweets assortment:
Jonathan Sweet has an amazing ability to deflect blame from himself. Apparently, the college food made him "fat and gassy" after a year. Yet at every opportunity he points out that he had buffet dining three times a day.
Who's to blame for you getting fat when you can choose what you eat and how much you eat of it, Sweet Bro? You are.
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According to our learned friend, being a liberal makes you ugly.
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Sweet seems unwilling to let go of his pet theory that the Virginia Tech shooting may have been precipitated by an evil young woman, like the one that
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He really seems serious about wanting to build "college living" apartments, where the (presumably all white male) residents would get the fabled buffet meals three times a day, and of course would be guaranteed the attention of the
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Sweet frequently demonstrates a lack of awareness for appropriate social norms. For instance, while posting (erroneously, as it turned out) that Gabrielle Giffords had died, he gave over the majority of his post to nitpicking a local radio presenter's pronunciation.
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Wow, whatta newsman! I smell Pulitzer!
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But liberals and my brother and The Shop and the college newspaper and Obama and Negroes and and and and -Nightspade said:
Hilariously, he's been trying to get his "company" signed up for government health insurance:
Veteran newspaperman Jonathan M. Sweet said:
Is he just unaware that the conservative idols whose dicks he constantly slobbers over are generally against free or affordable health care for people who can't afford to shell out three or four hundred bucks a month on a private insurer? Because at least Obamacare, flawed as it's become, was intended to give his lazy unemployable ass a shot at that sort of thing.
And he thinks his idea for a college dorm-style hotel (with buffet food to make the guests fat and gassy, hookers randomly calling the guests' rooms soliciting sex, AND "both communal and private showers") is unpopular simply because he's not a leftist. There couldn't possibly be any other reason for a lack of enthusiasm for his brilliant concept!
I also find it interesting that he says the hotel would be like college "without the tedium of classes." For someone so proud of their intelligence and so obsessed with his college days to describe classes as "tedious" strikes me as odd and hypocritical in ways that I can't quite put a finger on.
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I love this guy so much. He's a fucking riot.
Perhaps he should just apply as a person and not a business, as I imagine his main trouble is the fact that he doesn't actually have a fucking business.
Or he could suck it up and stick by his conservative small-government principles and not sign up for it at all. I'm pretty sure that if you're dirt-poor (and he sure is) you still won't have to pay any penalties for now. I could be mistaken about that last part.
Perhaps he should just apply as a person and not a business, as I imagine his main trouble is the fact that he doesn't actually have a fucking business.
Or he could suck it up and stick by his conservative small-government principles and not sign up for it at all. I'm pretty sure that if you're dirt-poor (and he sure is) you still won't have to pay any penalties for now. I could be mistaken about that last part.
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He needs to see a doctor to get his "scratchy voice" fixed so he can get work as a voiceover actor.
I wish I was joking.
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I was stuck at a railroad crossing about an hour ago reading this and what really struck me was how closely what he describes resembles prison, or some other kind of highly-structured environment. It's just odd how fixated he is on his desire to do nothing and have his every whim catered to. And yet he wonders why people compare him to Chris.
As far as the second point, I really think that drives his Chrisness home even harder, because what he's describing is a way to get to the goal, hot babes, success, fame, fortune, whatever you wanna call it, without all the actual work. If he had a work ethic to speak of then he wouldn't be a lolcow, he'd be too busy working and making money and probably achieving something resembling real life success to be the Sweetness we all know and loathe.
Oh this one was super easy
see, here's the thing: in order to qualify as a business, you need to actually be a business, as Mr. @MarineTrainedTard so kindly pointed out. 15 seconds of googling later, and voila!Hmmmm...so he couldn't even be bothered to get a business license for this business of his. Him and Joe Cracker should really collaborate, they seem to have the same level of business acumen.
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I would pay top dollar for a video with his voice in it. Not joking, that'd be the cherry on top of this lovely pie we're baking.
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Sweet Bro said:
Trabajo: http://usaspatriot.proboards.com/thread/769/obama-administration?page=34&scrollTo=309372
BONUS: In the same post he also expresses his belief that the Government (or similar Liberal Conspiracy) are deliberately messing with his TV signal.