Culture ‘Hell on earth’: Men share why they avoid singles nights - Men in our community shared candid accounts of why singles nights hold little appeal for them, citing fear of public rejection, dating fatigue and a preference for more organic ways of meeting partners

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Men in our community shared candid accounts of why singles nights hold little appeal for them, citing fear of public rejection, dating fatigue and a preference for more organic ways of meeting partners​

Monday 02 March 2026 09:08 EST
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Dating nights aren't for everyone (iStock)

Olivia Petter’s report on the challenges of getting men to attend singles nights prompted a flood of responses from male readers sharing their own experiences of dating.

Rather than rejecting the premise outright, many used the comments to explain why events like these hold little appeal for them personally.

A recurring theme was discomfort with structured, high-pressure formats such as speed dating, which several described as “forced”, “synthetic” or akin to a job interview.

Men spoke about feeling exposed in environments where rejection plays out publicly, arguing that the expectation to be instantly charming, funny and confident creates an uneven dynamic. Some said they preferred meeting partners organically – through friends, shared hobbies, travel or everyday life – where connection develops more naturally and without an audience.

Others reflected more broadly on modern dating. A number of commenters said they had opted out of formal dating altogether, citing exhaustion with apps, perceived imbalances in effort, or a sense that expectations have become transactional and over-analysed.

Here’s what you had to say:

Men shoulder most of the effort in dating

As a single man who has largely given up on dating, articles like this complaining about men while making out that women are great sum up why.

I’m expected to put the vast majority of effort into dating. I take the risk of rejection in doing the asking out, I arrange the date, usually carry the conversation, frequently am expected to pay, then this process repeats for future dates. The majority of women I met seemed to think turning up was all that’s required for me to ‘woo’ them. In return, I’ve had women ghost, cancel last minute after I’ve paid for tickets, complain about the venue, say things like I should be grateful they turned up at all after they arrived almost an hour late (extreme lateness was very common, often followed by a dismissive comment about how I should put up with it because I’m a man).

Clearly there are issues women experience too, but the big difference from my perspective is effort. Women expect everything to be done for them and, other than their appearance, don’t invest much in the early dating stages. I’ve never once had a woman ‘bound right up’ and ask me out, never had a woman pay, never felt like they were making the effort to keep me entertained, never had them suggest or arrange a date. They frequently complain about men’s failings yet seem to have zero awareness of their own.

I’m in my 40s now, so I’m not that bothered about sex or flings. I have good friends and enough going on that I don't want to waste time on something that just isn't enjoyable. If the other person was making a similar level of effort, then I may feel differently. The level of entitlement is ridiculous though – it frequently felt like dealing with teenagers, unable to show any initiative or reciprocation.

Andy

Men are used to being rejected

Attending an event like this is a higher risk for men. Social vulnerability is something men are culturally punished for showing. Men are used to being rejected; women are often the ones rejecting. Experiencing this again, but with an audience, can't be that tempting.

This type of event also favours verbal fluency, emotional expressiveness, and social confidence – traits that suit how the average woman socialises better than men. You describe this as men suffering from pride or a lack of motivation, completely ignoring that the format itself is flawed.

If you want something more than that, involve some sort of activity. Add some sort of competition with built-in conversation starters. A quiz? Cooking? Cocktail-making competition? Why not a go-kart event? A great night regardless of the social outcome.

My two best dates were a trip to IKEA and one where that girl showed me some great biking paths in the forest. The latter one is now my wife.

Daniel

Many of us are socially awkward

I met the women I ended up marrying on a backpacking trip: she was camping with three other women and I was by myself. No force on earth could have compelled me to enter an event such as the writer describes. Of course, I was (and am) socially awkward – but so are so many of us.

I can't recall how my children met their partners, but we had one recent success. Through my wife's friend, we got to know a man who had been a friend of one of her children. He seemed like a nice guy with no partner. But he was VERY quiet. Our daughters had a female friend who had no partner and who they described as being really nice, so we old folks went into action. Our daughters approached their friend, who sent them a list of questions – "Does he have kids? Has he been married? Does he smoke? Does he have a job?" – which they passed on to us to get the answers. Things worked out. Yay! Matchmaking lives!

soccerdad

Dates are like job interviews

I wonder if the psychology of the modern dating game just appeals more to women than men?

I'm in my early fifties now. In my teens, people were either very much in a relationship or not; the idea of going on a date with someone to see if you wanted a relationship was something alien we saw on American television. By my thirties, I'd largely opted out of the whole thing.

The idea of going on a date which was effectively a job interview seemed a very unappealing way of spending an evening when there was the alternative of doing something I enjoyed. If I met somebody that way, well and good; if not, it didn't matter – I was out having fun, doing things I wanted to do. I met women who were attracted to me and I not them, women to whom I was attracted and they not me, and on it went.

Eventually I met the woman who is now my wife quite by accident, through friends.

I did once, for a magazine article I agreed to write, go to a speed-dating night. It was hell on earth for me – I hated it. I dabbled very briefly with internet dating as well, but never went on a date because I never saw anyone I thought would be a match. It all felt pointless.

PadraigMahone

Let things happen naturally

It was the same decades ago. I once got asked to join a speed-dating night as there weren't enough men. I'd just had a bad accident, so I explained to the organiser that I was in no fit state to go looking for a date; I'd come just for the fun of it.

I had to fill in a form where you had to describe yourself in three words. Assuming I would get no dates whatsoever, I wrote "toothless, not heartless." Then I sat down with each girl and explained I was here just for fun – because, well, look at the state of me.

To my surprise, every single girl put me top of their list – and even the girl organising the event asked me out. The other guys didn't get a look in because they were trying to be "sensitive, caring, and kind" like they had written down –and this went absolutely nowhere.

There's a serious point here – men don't like dating events because they feel forced and synthetic. The format itself runs against the grain of how many men are wired to court. Being lined up for inspection, filling in forms, rotating on a timer – not just uncomfortable, but actively undermines the qualities that tend to make men attractive in the first place: spontaneity, confidence, a bit of mystery. Hard to be mysterious when you're wearing a name badge. It doesn't feel particularly "blokey" to offer yourself out for selection.

Dating events aren't struggling because men are emotionally stunted or commitment-averse – they're failing because the environment selects against natural confidence and rewards a kind of performed sensitivity that most people, including the women attending, can smell from a mile off.

Far better to go, have some fun, and let things happen naturally – even when you're least expecting it!

Sneaker

I’d head to an event over an app

I have to say that for someone who hasn't been dating for 30 years, this goes against what I would have expected – i.e., men outnumbering women 15:1 rather than the other way round.

If I ever found myself dating again, I'd have thought I'd head to an event like this long before I'd join an app, to be honest. But maybe that's just me.

GoodGriefCharlieBrown

Some of the comments have been edited for this article for brevity and clarity.
 
If you’re too stupid to know the difference between ’infer’ and ‘imply’, the only inference that’s justified is that you are way out of your depth.

You have a magical Disney day.

I think you may need to do a re-read. I'm not "hinting" or "implying". If I was I'd use those words. You're too stupid to even realise what's being said because you're so chuffed with overconfidence imagining yourself to be a supreme cleverclogs.

You've shown your insecurity by going back and editing your post to include that youre happily married! and for 14 whole years (no one asked) and mentioning the 4 sluts who chased you that one time (haha!)

Its pretty clear picture you've painted of the person you are and its a person whose opinions should be immediately disregarded upon reading.
 
I don't understand what you mean by this? I was talking about height. I'm pretty hot but I'm not tall. Back in the day that didn't matter if you were good looking.

My standards for women were never "be tall" lmao. Tf do you mean "women apply the same standards that you apply to them". I want women to be thin bro. Feminine. Idgaf about height, that's YOUR issue.

Also I'm not some midget either, The standards have just risen to where 85% of men don't meet the "you must be this tall to ride" line.
I'm around 6'0 - 6 '1 and I still get told I'm short lmao. The standard inflation is insane.
 
Height challenged men are fine when they chill out and just roll with it and genuinely have confidence.
Yes, though since short men are more likely to be bald and more likely to be PoC, it gets drawn into other neurotises.
I should mention one of the happiest couples I know are a 4'9" woman and a 5'2" man.
The problem is short men got all of their aggression recontextualized as Napoleon Complexes
Exactly!
Short men generally have issues and obese women are ugly. It is what it is.
Weight isn't just superficial, obesity is a strong indicator of poor self control, something that could wreck a relationship.
Then again, she might only be fat because she's an amazing cook, but that's rare
With the 7/10s and above you're competing with the top 1% of men,
Not really, average people still couple up, it's just there's a lot more men looking for someone than there are women, so it sucks to be single.
I'm around 6'0 - 6 '1 and I still get told I'm short lmao. The standard inflation is insane.
I'm a bit taller, and even I was too short for some. Dated a 5'11" giantess from a region where most women barely break 5'. Things went well until she saw me in flat trainers instead of heeled dress shoes. 👀
 
And the ones who do are shameless enough to scream "red flag".

Things I've gotten when being hit on IRL:
  • Tells me I have the same name as his daughter. I would think it's a general rule that you don't hit on someone with the same name of someone you're related to. Also, same guy, tells me a story about his life that screams "old enough to be my father". Also, I look significantly younger than my age, so...really gross.

How exactly is this flirting with you? It sounds like you were at a cookout or something and he was just making small talk. I don't see how pointing out a coincidence in names or sharing a life story is flirting.

If sharing a life story is flirting then apparently everybody in my family has been flirting with me.
 
Yes, though since short men are more likely to be bald and more likely to be PoC, it gets drawn into other neurotises.
I should mention one of the happiest couples I know are a 4'9" woman and a 5'2" man.

Exactly!

Weight isn't just superficial, obesity is a strong indicator of poor self control, something that could wreck a relationship.
Then again, she might only be fat because she's an amazing cook, but that's rare

Oh hell, I didnt even consider the tiny browns, I was just thinking of the disgruntled short whites. Lol.

Yes, very good point! Poor self control, addictive personality ....
 
The art of dating, flirting, pursuing has been lost. It really is an art, a skill. Everyone comparing it to sales is bang on. Rejection, the chase, courtship, sealing the deal.
all of that is fucking cringe shit for sluts and pua types
every time i see some mongoloid praise this shit i become a little bit more sympathetic towards the "islam is right about women" groyper tards
 
all of that is fucking cringe shit for sluts and pua types
every time i see some mongoloid praise this shit i become a little bit more sympathetic towards the "islam is right about women" groyper tards

Its not cringe in the slightest. Its civilised. This is how normal people behaved long before PUA's (and before feminism.) PUA's only came about because absolute loser men were too timid to ask a girl out or practice basic hygiene so predatory scam artists capitalised on this.

Sluts dont wait around for men to pursue them, they actively do the pursuing. They find it "empowering" apparently ...

There is something to be said for having self esteem and self worth and not giving it all up the minute some guy casts a glance in your direction. "The chase" gives people time to actually get to know one another plus its fun.

But hey, if youre more into prearranged marriage with your 6 year old cousin I wont be able to convince you otherwise.
 
There are men under a certain height who feel extremely resentful about it
This is 100% false. Short men are not angry about being short. They are angry because of the way faggots like you talk about them for being short. Send a short man to South America or the Philippines and the 5'2 man is suddenly a king. I have two very close friends both around that height. One of them is an immigrant and he never had an issue with being called short until he came to the US. Exactly for this reason.

They are angry at being discriminated against for BEING short. It's not that hard of a fucking concept to grasp. If you leave them the fuck alone, and let them function like normal people - they do. The problem is retards, keep shoving this narrative down their throats.

I've already made two posts on this. I don't know how else to explain this to make you grasp this concept.

Well adjusted short men dont give a fuck and dont have off putting resentful personalities. Unfortunately there's way too many of the former for it not to be a thing.
Well, great. That's where you can start because the way you treat people beneath you is a measure of your character.
 
Y'all buckle up I'm gonna POOOSSSTTTT

So you wade through the bots and scammers and sex pests, and codependent weirdos and maybe you'll find someone that will be interested for a few months before they realize they don't have to commit to you because there's a whole dating pool out there
Yep, the constant allure of "the other options" is poisonous.
Dating in the 2000s/2010s:
Women wanted to have fun. Women understood they had to earn things and give back. They wanted partnerships. Families or relationships and futures were discussed.

Dating in the 2020s:
Women want everything for nothing while being shitty and boring. They're small of mind and soul and want here-now comfort and treat you as a dispenser not a person. Family or a mutual relationship escapes them, unless they have a "family fantasy" and it's your job to give this while they do nothing but get attention. Futures beyond "what I want and have a concept of right now" are beyond them.

Costs that don't have benefits aren't paid.
Correct. Social media superchargers this
And the ones who do are shameless enough to scream "red flag".

Things I've gotten when being hit on IRL:
  • At a meetup group, one guy stared at me to the point where I had to give him a look like he was a psycho. He also insulted a friend I was there with (male, did so to big himself up; gross). Had the unmitigated balls to ask me out before I left.
  • Outside a gas station, a guy way too young for me catcalls me (yes, it happens, it's just not that often). I scolded him and damn near told him to go home to his mother.
  • Outside another gas station, a guy says, "Are you single?" The answer to that question is no. It doesn't matter if I am or if I am not. If you ask that question, it comes across as "Is there a man at your place that will shoot me if I follow you home?"
  • Just walking around town, some dude stops me and makes small talk. All well and good. Asks my name and lamely says my name is pretty before hurriedly asking for my number. I know I shouldn't feel bad about that but it actually feels kind of awful. All of the things you could compliment me on, and you pick the one thing that might not have even been true.
  • Tells me I have the same name as his daughter. I would think it's a general rule that you don't hit on someone with the same name of someone you're related to. Also, same guy, tells me a story about his life that screams "old enough to be my father". Also, I look significantly younger than my age, so...really gross.

This is not me saying that all guys looking for someone are this lame or gross. Just that the ones with the balls to do it also have the balls to be brazen about how shit they are.
Lol, I think you're wantings a Chris Evans/Pine, Henry Cavill or similar to ask if you're single or MAYBE they guy you're currently letting hit it hasn't committed because you think of toy sleep with him enough and commit so you're telling yourself you're happy with the "situationship"

A common occurrence
But I promise you all - you can do sex to women if you put in the effort and have the right attitude
Of course. Too bad these days the effort usually isn't worth it (she has kids, of FAT, is fat With kids, is actually insane, and so on).


Faggots - listen to her, she's trying to teach you how to get laid.

Women will always remember how you made them feel. So make sure the feelings you're remembered for are good ones, not awkward and creepy.
Hehe of course although what's good to some is creepy to others
The real reason men aren't pursuing women now has nothing to do with that though. It's because women for the most part are fucking BORING. Any and all of their "interests" are surface level at most. For example I'm talking to a lady right now and she brought up how she hates a certain group of people and I asked why. Her answer was "I don't like their language" with absolutely nothing else, not even an explanation of why she hates the language. Talking to modern women is like the image negative of a search engine. You send a message about your interests in for example ornithology to a "passionate birdwatcher" and you get back "cute bird
Dude.... My Mom and me were out on a walk this weekend at a local university (expensive private one with an animal Mascot). We'd occasionally pass or meet groups of girls coming here opposite way and hear them talk for a few minutes.

I kid you not my Mom asked me if young women these days are "really that stupid?". The inane shit we heard was actually concerning.

Most women these days are social media addicted shopping addicts / trend chasers. Yes that was around in the last but these days it's like a virus.
I agree with everything except that the problem is that young people have the added risk of being catfished into being the subject of some psychotic chick's tik tok hidden camera humiliation content. It sounds stupid and gay of a thing to worry about but I too remember being 16 and being paranoid that everyone in the tiny-ass world of my school was gonna talk about my ass behind my back.

But back in my day it was all omg-did-you-hear-what but now nigga they got fuckin 4K cameras in their fuckin pockets. Thanks Steve Jobs, you fucking prick. I hope the devil is assfucking your fake hippie corpse right now for all eternity.
Yeeeppp. That little phone in the pocket is a way to make someone famous in minutes. Ms. Thot can open up IG/Snap/Tiktok can make a little video about "this disgusting rapist creep" at the gym/shopping area/grocery store/bookstore/coffee shop and ruin a life in an afternoon. It's WILD.
Well, being rejected these days means more than it used to, used to just mean "she rejected you", that's it. Now? There's a chance you'll be plastered all over social media as a creep, and even if not? What used to be a private matter becomes part of your social resume, whether you want it to or not. And persistence is seen as "harassment" and will get you in LOTS of trouble if (ironically) the person you're being persistent towards is equally persistent in calling your boss, or your school, or the cops until they do something to defend the honor of victimized women....
AGREED. Getting the "I have a boyfriend/I'm seeing someone/ No / Eeww No / Piss off asshole/ the eye roll and snort " was pretty much as bad as it got pre social media.

Now... Lives can be ruined (see Nautical Malone, the first goonicide victim)
This can not be overstated.

As a modern man your competition for women isnt the only other men in her physical presence with the balls to ask her out or for her number. Its literally every man on the planet now thanks to dating apps and social media aka dating apps. People especially older just do not comprehend this.
Christ that's true.

Its not her co-workers, male friends (who wanna fuck), her neighbors and guys in her hobby groups/Church group.

It's literally every man in a 30-50 miles radius with a smartphone and Internet connection.

Oh and guys on social media that find her attractive (this can literally be pro sports players celebrities, local notables, rich dudes and so on)

I have seen women get venmoed $800-$1000 for plane tickets to Miami because a rich guy wants to fuck them asap. Literally "book your flight, I'll set you up on XYZ hotel on the water, and let's have a fun weekend" to a woman they just saw on IG.

Remember, most women get ~10-20 matches a DAY on dating apps, some get 25-50 a day easily.
you know what's truly sad? i can't even reccomend the " go to church" thing because enough slimeball faggots come through and give the women grief that they look elsewhere for a husband. whether its fundamentalist faggots or atheists, dudes came and broke the god fearing women.
Yep. Loads of dudes manages to get into church groups for that easy religious girl poontang and have poisoned the well

I went to Church at a local Methodist Church recently, with Mom, and the church was pretty well attended and had three Sunday morning services. In the middle morning one we went to there were maybe TWO women in my age bracket, one was clearly married.

The rest was 40+ or under 10.
Atomization is definitely the answer. Go to an event in a major city nowadays. It's pretty much the only non-bar/dating app way to organically meet people. However, don't get your hopes too high. Most of the people at public events are over the age of 40 and they'll be infested with browns and other undesirables (also true at bars). Even if the right demographic is present at all, you'll have to beat off the hordes to attempt a conversation. Despite the "go to church" advice I hear thrown around, I don't hear about too many relationships starting through a church you didn't grow up in.
Correct. Atomization and near universal WFH from April 2020 till Fall 2023 killed a lot of people's social lives forever
I've lived in a couple countries in asia that are supposedly notorious for being havens of gold-diggers - namely SG and HK and it kinda seemed like the local guys were all doing fine with dating and could just go to the clubs or bars and find girls that want to mess around with them, and then have relationships come from just like continually talking to girls they fucked.

Same with southern Europe - lived in Italy for a while and it seemed like a lot of people met when they went out drinking and formed relationships that way, usually just because they lived near eachother and shacked up out of some kinda sense of familiarity at first before falling in Capital-L Love.
Meanwhile, anglos are very puritanical about sex and alcohol and have these ideas like "fucking while drunk is automatically rape" and I've literally seen anglos self-police and press couples walking away from clubs together lmao(seen in Yookay) - pair that with negro-invasion unhealthy-living hyper-atomized countries and living conditions and you've got this recipe for cold dating culture and unchecked hypergamy
That's because the population density in East Asia in INSANE and in HK and SG the fact that you're in those cities mean you're not a loser subhuman.

Europe, it's because they still have that hyper local peer group (unless 1/2 the town moves away and all that's left are old people)
Didn't work out in the end. Being in your 20s to women in their mid-late 30s (this really surprised me, thankfully genuinely mistaking a woman to be 10 years younger than she actually is will always be a huge compliment to her) is seemingly a non-starter.
Lol 😆 they're intimidated by your youth
For me, its that I've never been invited to or sold on one, and never seen them IRL anywhere. As far as Im concerned they're a fake TV scenario or a social lie that's made up to scare young people like Krampus.
They're real and ice been to ~4 in my life
If even a hambeast like Chantal can get laid, so can anyone else.
Fat women have a trump card.... Black men
I not personally attended one of these organized singles events but a few months back a female coworker told me about her experience. A mutual friend invited her(mid 30s 6/10 looks) to a singles event at their [generic non-denom] church. From the way she described it only a few people showed up, almost all guys. Only one who she liked enough to give her number, before ghosting him a few days later because he sent her an Instagram follow request. By the way she described it I could tell she looked down on the guys for being desperate, while she herself regularly complained the struggle to find a good man and settle down.

The dating game for young adults in cooked. All the solid relationships I know started through a mutual friend group either as minors or early in college. Once you're in that 25-35 range things are bleak.
Ahahaha
So here's the thing about height on an international spectrum- it scales. If you're a Dutch guy, you compete against other tall Dutch guys. If you're a short Filipino islander, you compete against other short Filipino islanders. It's only when these cultures come to America that they get pitted against each other. So yes, in America, the Dutch guy would be swimming in poon.

The question then because- does he want it? Because in my experience, foreigners who come to America are kind of disgusted by Americans.
Ahh if you're a Dutch/German man in the PH/SEA/Latin America like that sex tourist Karl you'll have an AMAZING time
 
Its not cringe in the slightest. Its civilised. This is how normal people behaved long before PUA's (and before feminism.) PUA's only came about because absolute loser men were too timid to ask a girl out or practice basic hygiene so predatory scam artists capitalised on this.

Sluts dont wait around for men to pursue them, they actively do the pursuing. They find it "empowering" apparently ...

There is something to be said for having self esteem and self worth and not giving it all up the minute some guy casts a glance in your direction. "The chase" gives people time to actually get to know one another plus its fun.

But hey, if youre more into prearranged marriage with your 6 year old cousin I wont be able to convince you otherwise.
Yeah, "the chase" is fun if you're a woman, because you don't actually have to DO anything.

For a man, it's like repeatedly putting your balls in a vice and finally hoping you found one who won't crush them just to see you cry.
 
If you see the dating statistics you will realise its never the height its you problem. The real problem is you want easy lay no commitment fuck, without putting in effort . Too bad thats for CHADS ONLY.

And thats only fair. You want 120 pounds hottie thats fine you gotta be 6 foot tall with washboard abs.

Its unfair just like your demands from the average woman to be thin and feminine. Sidenote only 30 % of usa women have bmi bellow 25 just saying

Changeable vs un-changeable biological characteristic is his point you retarded foid. That short and easy enough to comprehend?
 
Adding to this: literally anywhere but a Dungeons and Dragons group.

Fuck me dead. I'm praying this wasn't said in earnest.

But also meeting nice girls locally if you live in a good community at the local bar (or pub as we Australians call it) especially if they have certain nights on - live music, trivia, comedy nights. Anything community spirited and fun.
This is comically out of touch but I appreciate the thought. I'm going to assume you don't live in a city.
 
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