Culture ‘Hell on earth’: Men share why they avoid singles nights - Men in our community shared candid accounts of why singles nights hold little appeal for them, citing fear of public rejection, dating fatigue and a preference for more organic ways of meeting partners

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Men in our community shared candid accounts of why singles nights hold little appeal for them, citing fear of public rejection, dating fatigue and a preference for more organic ways of meeting partners​

Monday 02 March 2026 09:08 EST
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Dating nights aren't for everyone (iStock)

Olivia Petter’s report on the challenges of getting men to attend singles nights prompted a flood of responses from male readers sharing their own experiences of dating.

Rather than rejecting the premise outright, many used the comments to explain why events like these hold little appeal for them personally.

A recurring theme was discomfort with structured, high-pressure formats such as speed dating, which several described as “forced”, “synthetic” or akin to a job interview.

Men spoke about feeling exposed in environments where rejection plays out publicly, arguing that the expectation to be instantly charming, funny and confident creates an uneven dynamic. Some said they preferred meeting partners organically – through friends, shared hobbies, travel or everyday life – where connection develops more naturally and without an audience.

Others reflected more broadly on modern dating. A number of commenters said they had opted out of formal dating altogether, citing exhaustion with apps, perceived imbalances in effort, or a sense that expectations have become transactional and over-analysed.

Here’s what you had to say:

Men shoulder most of the effort in dating

As a single man who has largely given up on dating, articles like this complaining about men while making out that women are great sum up why.

I’m expected to put the vast majority of effort into dating. I take the risk of rejection in doing the asking out, I arrange the date, usually carry the conversation, frequently am expected to pay, then this process repeats for future dates. The majority of women I met seemed to think turning up was all that’s required for me to ‘woo’ them. In return, I’ve had women ghost, cancel last minute after I’ve paid for tickets, complain about the venue, say things like I should be grateful they turned up at all after they arrived almost an hour late (extreme lateness was very common, often followed by a dismissive comment about how I should put up with it because I’m a man).

Clearly there are issues women experience too, but the big difference from my perspective is effort. Women expect everything to be done for them and, other than their appearance, don’t invest much in the early dating stages. I’ve never once had a woman ‘bound right up’ and ask me out, never had a woman pay, never felt like they were making the effort to keep me entertained, never had them suggest or arrange a date. They frequently complain about men’s failings yet seem to have zero awareness of their own.

I’m in my 40s now, so I’m not that bothered about sex or flings. I have good friends and enough going on that I don't want to waste time on something that just isn't enjoyable. If the other person was making a similar level of effort, then I may feel differently. The level of entitlement is ridiculous though – it frequently felt like dealing with teenagers, unable to show any initiative or reciprocation.

Andy

Men are used to being rejected

Attending an event like this is a higher risk for men. Social vulnerability is something men are culturally punished for showing. Men are used to being rejected; women are often the ones rejecting. Experiencing this again, but with an audience, can't be that tempting.

This type of event also favours verbal fluency, emotional expressiveness, and social confidence – traits that suit how the average woman socialises better than men. You describe this as men suffering from pride or a lack of motivation, completely ignoring that the format itself is flawed.

If you want something more than that, involve some sort of activity. Add some sort of competition with built-in conversation starters. A quiz? Cooking? Cocktail-making competition? Why not a go-kart event? A great night regardless of the social outcome.

My two best dates were a trip to IKEA and one where that girl showed me some great biking paths in the forest. The latter one is now my wife.

Daniel

Many of us are socially awkward

I met the women I ended up marrying on a backpacking trip: she was camping with three other women and I was by myself. No force on earth could have compelled me to enter an event such as the writer describes. Of course, I was (and am) socially awkward – but so are so many of us.

I can't recall how my children met their partners, but we had one recent success. Through my wife's friend, we got to know a man who had been a friend of one of her children. He seemed like a nice guy with no partner. But he was VERY quiet. Our daughters had a female friend who had no partner and who they described as being really nice, so we old folks went into action. Our daughters approached their friend, who sent them a list of questions – "Does he have kids? Has he been married? Does he smoke? Does he have a job?" – which they passed on to us to get the answers. Things worked out. Yay! Matchmaking lives!

soccerdad

Dates are like job interviews

I wonder if the psychology of the modern dating game just appeals more to women than men?

I'm in my early fifties now. In my teens, people were either very much in a relationship or not; the idea of going on a date with someone to see if you wanted a relationship was something alien we saw on American television. By my thirties, I'd largely opted out of the whole thing.

The idea of going on a date which was effectively a job interview seemed a very unappealing way of spending an evening when there was the alternative of doing something I enjoyed. If I met somebody that way, well and good; if not, it didn't matter – I was out having fun, doing things I wanted to do. I met women who were attracted to me and I not them, women to whom I was attracted and they not me, and on it went.

Eventually I met the woman who is now my wife quite by accident, through friends.

I did once, for a magazine article I agreed to write, go to a speed-dating night. It was hell on earth for me – I hated it. I dabbled very briefly with internet dating as well, but never went on a date because I never saw anyone I thought would be a match. It all felt pointless.

PadraigMahone

Let things happen naturally

It was the same decades ago. I once got asked to join a speed-dating night as there weren't enough men. I'd just had a bad accident, so I explained to the organiser that I was in no fit state to go looking for a date; I'd come just for the fun of it.

I had to fill in a form where you had to describe yourself in three words. Assuming I would get no dates whatsoever, I wrote "toothless, not heartless." Then I sat down with each girl and explained I was here just for fun – because, well, look at the state of me.

To my surprise, every single girl put me top of their list – and even the girl organising the event asked me out. The other guys didn't get a look in because they were trying to be "sensitive, caring, and kind" like they had written down –and this went absolutely nowhere.

There's a serious point here – men don't like dating events because they feel forced and synthetic. The format itself runs against the grain of how many men are wired to court. Being lined up for inspection, filling in forms, rotating on a timer – not just uncomfortable, but actively undermines the qualities that tend to make men attractive in the first place: spontaneity, confidence, a bit of mystery. Hard to be mysterious when you're wearing a name badge. It doesn't feel particularly "blokey" to offer yourself out for selection.

Dating events aren't struggling because men are emotionally stunted or commitment-averse – they're failing because the environment selects against natural confidence and rewards a kind of performed sensitivity that most people, including the women attending, can smell from a mile off.

Far better to go, have some fun, and let things happen naturally – even when you're least expecting it!

Sneaker

I’d head to an event over an app

I have to say that for someone who hasn't been dating for 30 years, this goes against what I would have expected – i.e., men outnumbering women 15:1 rather than the other way round.

If I ever found myself dating again, I'd have thought I'd head to an event like this long before I'd join an app, to be honest. But maybe that's just me.

GoodGriefCharlieBrown

Some of the comments have been edited for this article for brevity and clarity.
 
I have seen women get venmoed $800-$1000 for plane tickets to Miami because a rich guy wants to fuck them asap. Literally "book your flight, I'll set you up on XYZ hotel on the water, and let's have a fun weekend" to a woman they just saw on IG.
Forget fucking them, I know women who get venmoed $800-1000 just because. They have money, usually in IT, and are chunky, nerdy, unattractive and so they just throw money at women because they're unironically convinced that's how you get laid. My one friend's ex used to send her about $500-1000 per week just for the hell of it. EVEN AFTER SHE DUMPED HIM. Men are simps and cancer. Bully these simps. Shame these simps. Throw bottles and assault simps. Kill simps. Behead simps. Total Simp Death. Rich simps like this are no better. These people are cancer and should be shamed for this crap.

There is a strange subset of a subset of woman out there that really does seem to honestly think that a man being short is a personal failing and he should've just tried harder.... .it's bizarre.
It's not strange at all honestly, but you have to understand one simple thing-

Dumb women don't view men they don't find attractive as human.

They just don't. They can say stupid and retarded things like this wholesale because short men doesn't exist in their worldview. They're not attracted to them, so they might as well be a grey amorphous blob just like everyone else is a grey amorphous blob. Her worldview is so completely self-centered that everything around her is invisible and doesn't matter unless it's important to her. Anyone who says things like this is completely broken and you should never speak to them again.

(Calm down, if you are a woman and on KiwiFarms, you're smarter than the average bear and this doesn't apply to you. Most of you, anyway....)
Is the bias against short men relatively new?
It's not new, but modern dating made it more prolific. You now have women on X posting daily about how short men shouldn't exist or should just die. Groups dedicated to laughing at them, women who hate them, etc. it really came into the prolific around 2010.

I believe its mainly an American internet culture thing where abrasive people scream shit. It does not match at all with reality.
It is not internet culture. Just culture in general. It doesn't exist so much in non-American countries because non-American countries are not homogenous melting pots as much as America is. Like I said, Dutch men compete against other Dutch men. In the Philippines, the 5'2 man is still king. It's big in America though.

Define short because relationship stats show as long as you are above 5'7 you have equal chances to be in a relationship as 6 foot chad .
In America, 5'7 is considered on the shorter end. Social media has made it worse. Like I said, I've seen a woman's fucking MOTHER tell her to dump her 5'6 boyfriend because she thought he was too short for her.

On *this* board, they're seriously playing the card that you should feel bad about rejecting people for immutable physical characteristics? so guilty that you should have sex with those people? ooookay buddy.
Here comes the retarded nigger, bending and twisting words to mean something they don't. My tangent on short men wasn't to go have sex with them, you stupid nigger. It was just the way women treat short men in America is pretty damn nasty and gross. Fuck off. I'm not guilting anyone into doing anything other than change their opinion on how they view short men and their plight. Go be a retarded nigger somewhere else.
 
Here comes the retarded nigger, bending and twisting words to mean something they don't. My tangent on short men wasn't to go have sex with them, you stupid nigger. It was just the way women treat short men in America is pretty damn nasty and gross. Fuck off. I'm not guilting anyone into doing anything other than change their opinion on how they view short men and their plight. Go be a retarded nigger somewhere else.
How tall are you? I knew a guy who was 5" nothing, looked like Danny DeVito, and had a beautiful wife and 9 kids. Very successful guy, self made. It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog. :tomlinson:
 
How tall are you? I knew a guy who was 5" nothing, looked like Danny DeVito, and had a beautiful wife and 9 kids. Very successful guy, self made.
No power leveling, but I'm average. I have two very close friends below 5'5 though. One of them is an immigrant, and he never had any issue with his height until he came to America in his mid 20s. He found the whole thing very odd because he was tall for his country. He's actually the one that got me looking into exactly what the Napoleon Complex study was and I have a personal massive hate boner for bad psychology. Bad psychology is prolific and useless faggots in the industry love to use it as free advertisement when it becomes pervasive enough.

The Napoleon Complex Study was about as legitimate as the Myers Briggs personality bullshit test. I've discussed that elsewhere as to why, as well as the fucking Love Language bullshit. However, these have all now become cultural mainstays, much to my annoyance.
 
In America, 5'7 is considered on the shorter end. Social media has made it worse. Like I said, I've seen a woman's fucking MOTHER tell her to dump her 5'6 boyfriend because she thought he was too short for her.
There will be always jokes about your manlet husband godforbid if you are taller than him RIP you will never hear the end of it. That doesnt change the fact that manlet has the similar chances to get married as 6 foot chad. I am not denying he will get far less offers and chances to date and have sex with, but in the end there are takers if you arent autistic unbearable spazz and dont fumble it you can have just as good relationship as any other guy.
 
There will be always jokes about your manlet husband godforbid if you are taller than him RIP you will never hear the end of it.
Yeah, I agree. It's just I never really heard anyone talk about the bullshit the women who date/marry guys shorter than them have to put up with. Even in MGTOW/red pill spaces, they'll talk about short guys but they'll never mention how the women treat each other. It's something I think is really easy to forget. I find it really sad and disgusting. The way women treat each other just adds a whole new ugly layer to an already bad situation.
 
Yeah, I agree. It's just I never really heard anyone talk about the bullshit the women who date/marry guys shorter than them have to put up with. Even in MGTOW/red pill spaces, they'll talk about short guys but they'll never mention how the women treat each other. It's something I think is really easy to forget. I find it really sad and disgusting. The way women treat each other just adds a whole new ugly layer to an already bad situation.
80% of the short jokes come from men though ....at least my experience , most women rarely talk shit about your partners looks unless he is genuenly hideous and terrible in general
 
How tall are you? I knew a guy who was 5" nothing, looked like Danny DeVito, and had a beautiful wife and 9 kids. Very successful guy, self made. It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog. :tomlinson:
You can always find an exception that proves the rule.

Being short doesn't mean you should go KYS and stop spreading your inferior genes around, you'll never find love, it just means things will be harder for you in the dating market.

Because all things equal? Height is the tiebreaker between men in the eyes of women.

And that's all that people here are trying to say, that dating has gotten harder over the years for a lot of factors.

No single one is a deal-killer all by itself.

But?

Added all up?

Along with the "new" disqualifiers introduced through social media and economic stagnation?

Being short is enough to push some people who were "C" tier to "D". That's all we were ever saying.

Acting like this isn't so and is just a question of confidence? That all you need to do is "be a man" to overcome it? Is the same as clueless Boomer parents who still think $5,000 can get you an entry-level car chastising you for driving your rustbucket around, and when you show the flyer from the dealership? And point out $20K is the floor? They just say "Well, give the salesman a firm handshake!"

80% of the short jokes come from men though ....at least my experience , most women rarely talk shit about your partners looks unless he is genuenly hideous and terrible in general
Yes, the jokes.

I joke all the time with my guy pals that I have a "fire plug physique"- short with stubby arms. They laugh


But women take it dead serious, and look at me funny when I say it around them and some even got upset "Why would you be PROUD of that?!" "You'll never get a date if you say things like that!" they'd chide.

As if I could HIDE it...
 
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80% of the short jokes come from men though ....at least my experience , most women rarely talk shit about your partners looks unless he is genuenly hideous and terrible in general
I did buy them a big trench coat and a hat for the next time they needed to get into the club for Christmas....

They just say "Well, give the salesman a firm handjob!"
Fixed it for you.
 
You now have women on X posting daily about how short men shouldn't exist or should just die. Groups dedicated to laughing at them, women who hate them, etc. it really came into the prolific around 2010.
Ok but X isn't real life. I've never seen height bias like that in actual reality. I guess I'm asking if you guys actually see this a lot when dating.
 
Ok but X isn't real life. I've never seen height bias like that in actual reality. I guess I'm asking if you guys actually see this a lot when dating.
I'm over 6" but I dated this college basketball player once. She was hot, but very tall and I don't think she liked me being shorter than her. :c

So, shorter guys of Kiwi Farms, I am your Huckleberry. ❤️
 
Forget fucking them, I know women who get venmoed $800-1000 just because. They have money, usually in IT, and are chunky, nerdy, unattractive and so they just throw money at women because they're unironically convinced that's how you get laid. My one friend's ex used to send her about $500-1000 per week just for the hell of it. EVEN AFTER SHE DUMPED HIM. Men are simps and cancer. Bully these simps. Shame these simps. Throw bottles and assault simps. Kill simps. Behead simps. Total Simp Death. Rich simps like this are no better. These people are cancer and should be shamed for this crap.
Just get a hooker if you’re going to spend money like that.
 
Ok but X isn't real life. I've never seen height bias like that in actual reality. I guess I'm asking if you guys actually see this a lot when dating.
Yes. I have seen it both in real life and in dating. X also might not matter to an adult, but it matters a lot to teens and kids who just went through puberty and aren't getting much taller. I don't know why this is so hard believe. People are indeed that shallow. In fact they're far shallower and pettier. Go to any rich affluent area and you'll see some of the pettiest, shallowest people you could ever imagine.
 
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