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cryptidfuck said:
weirdly respectful.
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I think it's just respectful, while still having fun with the funny concept of mr. rogers taking matters into his own hands (even though he'd obviously never do it like that.)

I mean he is the guy that was sort of known for doing the following:
EDIT: I just remembered a few years ago reddit/twitter people suddenly decided to make it their pet thing to hate him because "transpobia" or some shit in his one song for a little bit.
 
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The ending felt very Whedon-esque to me. For all the glurge-y melodrama in Vivzie's writing, she hardly ever (if ever) undercuts the emotion of a scene with a joke like this. I admit that I just finished watching HB, so I'll eat crow if I'm forgetting something.
 
The Lawgiver said:
EDIT: I just remembered a few years ago reddit/twitter people suddenly decided to make it their pet thing to hate him because "transpobia" or some shit in his one song for a little bit.
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Not to derail the thread - but it's all because of one song, with the lyric "if you're born a boy you stay a boy; if you're born a girl you stay a girl". (Or something to that effect).


Fred Rogers was not "transphobic" or anything of the sort. He was teaching children in an age-appropriate manner - something trannies are particularly bad at.
 
The Lawgiver said:
EDIT: I just remembered a few years ago reddit/twitter people suddenly decided to make it their pet thing to hate him because "transpobia" or some shit in his one song for a little bit.
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cryptidfuck said:
Not to derail the thread - but it's all because of one song, with the lyric "if you're born a boy you stay a boy; if you're born a girl you stay a girl". (Or something to that effect).

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wSgapj1NY34Fred Rogers was not "transphobic" or anything of the sort. He was teaching children in an age-appropriate manner - something trannies are particularly bad at.
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Which is strange, because for the longest time, Mr Rogers was a sacred cow on the internet, even among the most abrasive and mean spirited of internet users.

I'm gonna have to disagree with cryptidfuck, repudiating trans ideology in such a manner (by saying that boys will always be boys, girls will always be girls, period) makes one a transphobe. There's nothing wrong with being a transphobe.
 
So, this is something a buddy of mine pointed out as we chatted about this short. Apparently in some mythology, Hellhounds are seen as heralds of death and basically what would have made this scene funnier is Loona goes through this transformation, smiles to the guy and then it cuts to him dead on the ground Peter Griffin style and Loona going "Fuck....I forgot this usually happens..."
 
A Grey Cat said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-1b7uCyONb0
That was...actually decent.

Like even the twist was genuinely funny.
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It was alright until the forced gore in the end. Awesome. This could've actually had justifications of IMP not killing someone if they did abandon the assassination. But nope, take that for the gay cheating dad instead!

I like the fact Loona was able to open up, quite possibly the first time she showed her actual form to a human. And all for what? Just for that to be ruined for a cheap, tasteless joke. Great job, Vivzie. You never miss when it comes to utter dog-feces writing.

I wish the guy instead did continue the valid crash out but instead of freaking out Loona and having the gun go off, he just reasonably panics and Loona tries to explain things.

He then takes a breather and tries composing himself. After, he looks back at Loona, still petrified but is willing to understand, places his hand on her shoulder, closes his eyes, and gives nonverbal head nod.

By then, we get a show-don't-tell understanding of him letting her know that he doesn't mind her true form and his eventual death. Then she grabs the gun and asks him one last time, "Thank you for understanding" and leaves out a mild tear before pulling the trigger on him, landing a clean shot to the head. His body slumps on her lap and the scene goes silent. Blitzo pops in and asks her if she wants to do their daddy-daughter day but declines, asking if they could give Mr. Wiggles a proper burial. They then bury him and Blitzo actually understands she's not in the mood for daddy-daughter and instead consoles her. Mr. Wiggles then proceeds to make it to Heaven. The End.

I still think Blitzo should've been cut out of this episode, genuinely. It should've focused on her and the assassination target entirely.

Yeah, I'm doing too much for this stupid short but considering Loona has had little character development since HB is nothing but The Stolas Show now, I had to give something to this woman's character.
 
Now this just might be me sperging out, but I am getting of animated characters flipping the bird when they have FOUR fingers, ergo no middle finger for the gesture. And I would have liked some explanation as to why Loona's clip only had two bullets. Maybe she says in distress, "Dammit, Moxxie!" to expand on their office rivalry as well as the latter's role as the firearms guy.
 
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Seeing the fact that a lot of people hate the ending, while I thought it was the funniest part of this pretty boring short is just hilarious to me. (Edit: Realized that it wasn't the full ending itself I found funny, but the man's reaction to Loona and the first shot she did. It's like my brain forgot how they prolonged the whole death scene.) I think it's because it reminds me back to when this show was a dark comedy about hellborns with no human moral compass assassinating people on Earth. But in the context of the show now, yeah I can see why it's jarring. The show's theme is no longer what it used to be. Though I'm happy that it proved my theory that Blitzø wasn't changing to have more sympathy for clients, but instead was projecting a personal bias in the Sinsmas episode.

Honestly, the worst part of the short was with the forced dialoge of the client talkinga botu how he orally pleasures his wife and how she enjoys it so much. I know this was just a meta way to shit on Blitzø because he doesn't do oral stuff with his partners...except when he does. Yeah, this show is never consistent with Blitzø's sex life.
 
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Aero the Alcoholic Bat said:
I'm gonna have to disagree with cryptidfuck, repudiating trans ideology in such a manner (by saying that boys will always be boys, girls will always be girls, period) makes one a transphobe. There's nothing wrong with being a transphobe.
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Phobia implies irrational and intense fear or fear based hatred. It doesn't matter to me if you frame it as a positive because "Being [noun]phobic is good acksually!" it's still the same result of pinning some form of irrational fear based bias on a guy that never showed any signs of that.
 
A Grey Cat said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-1b7uCyONb0
That was...actually decent.

Like even the twist was genuinely funny.
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Don't know why people in the thread talk about this so favorably.

While the twist ending was predictable the fact that there was an actual sweet conversation and Loona even getting some character development just to go fuck you and die good hearted straight man!
They think they are writing dark humor but all they do is be mean spirited.
 
Yeshuash said:
Don't know why people in the thread talk about this so favorably.

While the twist ending was predictable the fact that there was an actual sweet conversation and Loona even getting some character development just to go fuck you and die good hearted straight man!
They think they are writing dark humor but all they do is be mean spirited.
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Eh, I don't see anyone particularly loving this joke. If HB was a properly produced show, this short would probably be a throwaway b-plot in an episode about Moxie and Millie hanging out with neo-nazi jihadist bikers.

Writing this I realized, episode 1 S1 did almost the exact same gag with the murder family. Immaculate individual(s) turns out to not be what they seem. The only other payoff you could do is that turns out the guy is just that perfect. That might have actually been a better payoff, I reckon in this case.

Speaking of early HB, the Pilot which everyone likes features them murdering and dismembering a child. It's weird how this edgy comedy turned into an outwardly serious melodrama. It's the complete opposite of what it was pitched on!
 
The Lawgiver said:
Phobia implies irrational and intense fear or fear based hatred. It doesn't matter to me if you frame it as a positive because "Being [noun]phobic is good acksually!" it's still the same result of pinning some form of irrational fear based bias on a guy that never showed any signs of that.
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Touche, it's more like well-informed hatred.
 
The Nothingness said:
And I would have liked some explanation as to why Loona's clip only had two bullets. Maybe she says in distress, "Dammit, Moxxie!" to expand on their office rivalry as well as the latter's role as the firearms guy.
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I found that weird too, almost like a payoff without the proper setup, maybe they didn't want Loona to be the one that finished off not-Mr. Rogers so they could had Blitzo do that? Because outside of that his participation in this mission felt very pointless.

Speaking of Blitzo:
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Yeshuash said:
Don't know why people in the thread talk about this so favorably.

While the twist ending was predictable the fact that there was an actual sweet conversation and Loona even getting some character development just to go fuck you and die good hearted straight man!
They think they are writing dark humor but all they do is be mean spirited.
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I didn't particularly like the short. I thought it was really boring. I really only laughed at the guy's initial reaction to Loona. It's nice to see a human character reacting to how most people would when seeing one of these things in real life instead of just being dumb and/or corny. The joke does get ruined because they decide to linger on the whole death sequence way too long (which is just a problem with Helluva Boss's writing in general. Something could be initially funny but because they drag it out it ruins the comedic effect). Also I just didn't really feel anything for Loona's "character development" because I know it's not going to translate to the actual show itself, so why should I care if Loona had a nice conversation with some rando? It's not going to matter in the long scheme of things.
GoodWinSon said:
Eh, I don't see anyone particularly loving this joke. If HB was a properly produced show, this short would probably be a throwaway b-plot in an episode about Moxie and Millie hanging out with neo-nazi jihadist bikers.

Writing this I realized, episode 1 S1 did almost the exact same gag with the murder family. Immaculate individual(s) turns out to not be what they seem. The only other payoff you could do is that turns out the guy is just that perfect. That might have actually been a better payoff, I reckon in this case.

Speaking of early HB, the Pilot which everyone likes features them murdering and dismembering a child. It's weird how this edgy comedy turned into an outwardly serious melodrama. It's the complete opposite of what it was pitched on!
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People really forget how dark this show used to be. Rewatch the pilot or any of the episodes of Season 1 when Brandon was the lead writer. There's an entire episode where IMP is encouraging an old man to commit suicide. This short wouldn't have been so out of place back in season 1. It's just really out of place now because the show has changed to be a melodrama musical where you're supposed to be on the side of the protagonists.
 
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