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Firstly I refuse to belive alastor was meant to be a darkie or mulato or whatever Vivian says he is and she only added it in along side the bullshit like stollas being full blown gay and mrs. Mayberry's lesbianism because she's desperately trying to signal to people "look look how gay amd faggot friendly my show is I'm not erasing the lgbtqrstuvwxyz community from MY shows the way Disney and corporate animation is!"

Which brings me to my next point. It is so laughable that ever since public opinion began swinging away from tolerating this gay rainbow bullshit being everywhere, rather them keep it on the down low or at levels her shows had when they were still new. Vivzie started a full on pride merch drop and has gone out of her way to make her creative outlet (fittingly enough) solely about "representation " and as a result has driven away all but her most braindead consoomer fans.

clearly she's never heard the phrase "If it ain't broke don't fix it." Her work didn't need to double down on this crap, i dont know if it was the trump reelection, or the fact that is the most normal june we've had in like...forever, or just her being desperate to stay relevant, but she kept making a bad situation worse. And the pride merch drop was the nail in hazbin/helluvas coffin. Even people who had a casual investment in her work either cause it looks pretty, or has nice music and tollerated the LGBT writing because of a "live and let live" mindset, saw the pride merch fiasco and pretty much responded as such.
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Castoreum said:
I'm subbed to this lady (not Sai, the tiger furry*) on YT, and she released a vid about Juneteenth recently where she bitched in the comments that other people aren't allowed to criticize the video because it's a space for BLACK people and BLACK people NEED representation in media blah blah blah.
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Sai actually has issues with herself, there's a LOT of allegations against her, she's around in her mid 30s and is mainly known for her takes on Lily Orchard.
 
So, I dunno if its me, but theres one thing about Vox that always bothered me, is that for a guy with a TV head, he never does TV related things. Like, with Al and him being a Radio Demon his voice sounds like a radio announcer, he has background laughter, when he's mad/threatening you hear radio static. Yet, Vox never does such things, his voice never changes to say give TV static (save for one brief scene), he doesnt sound like a TV announcer/informercial seller like say Liquidator did in Darkwing Duck nor does his voice tone change to indicate a change in TV chanells. Really, he sounds very plain.
 
The tired cat said:
So, I dunno if its me, but theres one thing about Vox that always bothered me, is that for a guy with a TV head, he never does TV related things. Like, with Al and him being a Radio Demon his voice sounds like a radio announcer, he has background laughter, when he's mad/threatening you hear radio static. Yet, Vox never does such things, his voice never changes to say give TV static (save for one brief scene), he doesnt sound like a TV announcer/informercial seller like say Liquidator did in Darkwing Duck nor does his voice tone change to indicate a change in TV chanells. Really, he sounds very plain.
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He has some very rare visual gags but ironically none of them are actually tv related but phone call and computer error.

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He has vague eletrical/technologic powers but Alastor doesn't have radio powers so for vox it feels lazy.

Vox feels like he was made by a woman who never watched a culturally relevant (non cartoon) tv show but wanted to give her radio demon OC a rival and thought tv-head is a fun asthetic. There are so many dumb gags you could do like static, loss of signal, channel change, color bar etc but instead he gets watsapp and blue screen of death.

If you asked me what year he died i wouldn't be able to tell since nothing indicates that. He's some ambiguously greedy and edgy asshole who doesn't quote tv ever. Apparently it was the 50s? But then why does he have a... modern flat screen... for head? Why does he have a crooked antenna then?


>"What kind of shows does Vox watch?"
>"He'd watch.... Uuuuuh he'd watch a lot of things, he would watch game shows i feel he would watch that. He's very game show oriented. He would watch uh, i don't know i don't watch enough tv to be like 'what would he watch' i feel like he would like commercials."

Amazing.
 
LucasSomething said:
If you asked me what year he died i wouldn't be able to tell since nothing indicates that. He's some ambiguously greedy and edgy asshole who doesn't quote tv ever. Apparently it was the 50s? But then why does he have a... modern flat screen... for head? Why does he have a crooked antenna then?
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I cannot believe Im saying this, but theres like a quick "blink and you'll miss it" moment where an old photo of him and Al, with Vox having a box TV for a head. Aaan then it raises questions: How did he become a flatscreen then? Is it because of his power? Can other Overlords do that? Did he have an operation? Is that what Viv meant by her "Vox is trans" comment, how he transitioned from being a boxxy TV set to a flat screen one?
 
cryptidfuck said:
>Makes television-themed oc
>doesn't watch tv
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at least "Mike teevee" was not only a pun but roald dahl made him an obnoxious brat obsessed with the it and watched it so much he wouldn't speak to anyone while watching. THAT is how you make a character trait and actually use it.

Look it's so simple. Guy died in the 1950s just as television was catching on, maybe he was a mad man esq tv prouducer, one of the first ones, when he was alive. Was so obsessed with it he kept up with it even as time moved on in hell. Maybe even Introduced it to hell and loved it even more because unlike earth hell has no regulations or restrictions unlike 50s earth when he died.

And I just pulled all that off the top my head, it's mot much but it's something .
 
GilaCutter said:
Better yet, he performed in blackface while he was still alive
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I can imagine him going "Hello bawss, would ya fancy a nice watahmelloun?".

A Grey Cat said:
at least "Mike teevee" was not only a pun but roald dahl made him an obnoxious brat obsessed with the it and watched it so much he wouldn't speak to anyone while watching. THAT is how you make a character trait and actually use it.

Look it's so simple. Guy died in the 1950s just as television was catching on, maybe he was a mad man esq tv prouducer, one of the first ones, when he was alive. Was so obsessed with it he kept up with it even as time moved on in hell. Maybe even Introduced it to hell and loved it even more because unlike earth hell has no regulations or restrictions unlike 50s earth when he died.

And I just pulled all that off the top my head, it's mot much but it's something .
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Not only that, he's somehow one of the homos from the 1950's. Just so happen!
Cue "What does Viv mean by this".
In all seriousness - I don't find Vox, Valentino or Velvette all that interesting. They just seem like they'll do something but then they won't do anything interesting. Like a villain who'll plan something big but then "oh well, let's not go through with it".
 
LucasSomething said:
>"What kind of shows does Vox watch?"
>"He'd watch.... Uuuuuh he'd watch a lot of things, he would watch game shows i feel he would watch that. He's very game show oriented. He would watch uh, i don't know i don't watch enough tv to be like 'what would he watch' i feel like he would like commercials."
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I know I made a joke about this before falling unconcious but I think the reason I really didn't care about being spoiled on Tenna and the plot beats of deltarune part 3 is because oh how fucking well it tapped into the "tv guy" idea.

Vox is like "uhhh tv screen guy that's supposed to be tv stuff but he's got like a wifi symbol on his hat and tie i dunno i don't watch tv"

Tenna's like the literal personification of gameshow host, shitty quality funny public access channel stuff, the schizophrenic TV ads you used to see on occasion. And because the concept he's working on is not just cable TV but TV itself you also got video game segments and warioware inspired shit because guess what you play those on? OH GEE I FUCKING WONDER.

They're both guys in suits with a TV head but one of them is clearly giving it his all in being the TV guy, and it's not the one that got sent to hell for a streaming show! Fuck, you could have tapped into how computer monitors themselves are basically the same thing as TVs but connected to something else. Break the fourth wall or something with him being the one guy knowing he's in a show deadpool style. I'm getting SO MANY IDEAS for a basic ass TV gimmick guy here mentally AND TYPING THEM ON MY SCREEN THAT YOU, YES YOU DEADLY GANGSTER FRANKENSTEIN SLAVE, ARE LOOKING AT.
Also he kinda has that "paper mario chapter antagonist" kind of vibe for lack of a better way of putting it that's been sorely missing from a lot of games. but that's unrelated.
 
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They're interesting as OCs. Not as actually functional IP characters.
All these dudes seem so fleshed out but only to Viv. How does anything work? How does the world work? Why does Vox want to kill Alastor?

Why does it matter??? Watch the funny hell fox deer man make him all fucking angry for some reason!!
Outer Space Traveller said:
I don't find Vox, Valentino or Velvette all that interesting. They just seem like they'll do something but then they won't do anything interesting. Like a villain who'll plan something big but then "oh well, let's not go through with it".
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The idea that they'll do something is more tantalizing to the creator than actually doing the thing.
"What if Vox and Alastor had a song? What if Vox got all angry about it? Ooo what if Vox finally caught Alastor and used Angel Dust as porn fodder to get him there first"

If you think like the stupid OCs and try to 'get in Viv's head', it works better. Not by much, but it's something. She THINKS these stories are meaningful and deep, being all tear-jerky and depressing and UWU CRYING IM SO FUCKING SAD SEE IM CRYING SO IM SAD WAAAHHHH -- but everyone outside of herself can see what kind of shit she's pulling out of her ass. Noncreativity for the sake of scenes, not plot. "What if..?" the show.

She really is just playing with dolls in a dollhouse. Everything is tailored just to her. No wonder she's a spoiled brat that thinks she can push everyone around and cry to get what she wants. She's acting like she's five.
 
The Lawgiver said:
I know I made a joke about this before falling unconcious but I think the reason I really didn't care about being spoiled on Tenna and the plot beats of deltarune part 3 is because oh how fucking well it tapped into the "tv guy" idea.

Vox is like "uhhh tv screen guy that's supposed to be tv stuff but he's got like a wifi symbol on his hat and tie i dunno i don't watch tv"

Tenna's like the literal personification of gameshow host, shitty quality funny public access channel stuff, the schizophrenic TV ads you used to see on occasion. And because the concept he's working on is not just cable TV but TV itself you also got video game segments and warioware inspired shit because guess what you play those on? OH GEE I FUCKING WONDER.

They're both guys in suits with a TV head but one of them is clearly giving it his all in being the TV guy, and it's not the one that got sent to hell for a streaming show! Fuck, you could have tapped into how computer monitors themselves are basically the same thing as TVs but connected to something else. Break the fourth wall or something with him being the one guy knowing he's in a show deadpool style. I'm getting SO MANY IDEAS for a basic ass TV gimmick guy here mentally AND TYPING THEM ON MY SCREEN THAT YOU, YES YOU DEADLY GANGSTER FRANKENSTEIN SLAVE, ARE LOOKING AT.
Also he kinda has that "paper mario chapter antagonist" kind of vibe for lack of a better way of putting it that's been sorely missing from a lot of games. but that's unrelated.
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The funny thing, I'm running a super hero game for some chaps, and one of the villains I made is a TV head type. But, I play him off as a mix of Liquidator and Spamton and it's kinda a fun challange to pull off as many TV related stuff (combined with VA'in it), so amazing how hard Viv dropped the ball on this.
 
The tired cat said:
I cannot believe Im saying this, but theres like a quick "blink and you'll miss it" moment where an old photo of him and Al, with Vox having a box TV for a head.
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There's also that picture in Episode 2 with of Vox and Val and Vox having a TV box for a head.

Back when the pilot first came out, before Viv explained the identities of the Vees, I actually figured Vox was a demon of yore, and I was one of those people who speculated that he had older model TV when he first arrived and upgrade it as time went on.

I'm sure we all have our reasons for praising the pilot's animation over the series'. One of the reasons why I prefer it is because it makes the characters actually feel like as if they've been in Hell for decades. With the exception of Velvette (and Vaggie?, if she's still human), all these characters been in Hell before the 21st Century, yet they all come off as current millennials straight out of Hot Topic, and those who are supposed to act like their time periods don't feel authentic as they should be.

Vox is one of the bigger offenders, as even though the design itself wasn't that different, he did look older thanks to the style of the pilot, where as the series, he comes off as a basic modern day CEO a-la Jeff Bezos.
 
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