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Break the fourth wall or something with him being the one guy knowing he's in a show deadpool style. I'm getting SO MANY IDEAS for a basic ass TV gimmick guy here mentally AND TYPING THEM ON MY SCREEN THAT YOU, YES YOU DEADLY GANGSTER FRANKENSTEIN SLAVE, ARE LOOKING AT.
I personally think it'd be cool if Vox behaved like fuckin' Rod Serling in The Twilight Zone, and spent a lot of his screen time directly addressing the audience – introducing certain characters, doing the intro voice-overs, explaining concepts and generally being the main go-to loredump guy. Plus you could do some funny gags with Valentino & Velvette having no idea who the fuck he's talking to – and maybe Alastor or Lucifer are the only other ones even vaguely aware of the fourth wall.
Or maybe he acts like the killers in that horror movie "Funny Games" and straight up pauses or rewinds certain events... like on a TV! Maybe that's his secret Overlord power and what makes him such a massive threat... instead of him just being a flailing retard that loses to Alastor in a glorified rap battle and does nothing else
 
The thing is Vox is supposed to keep up to date with modern trends, while Alastor is assumingly old school. That's one of the main reasons why their dynamics crashed. The problem is pretty much every character feels like they're from the 21st century, and that doesn't work for someone like Alastor who is very much supposed to be stuck in the time and doesn't like change. A more competent writer would actually be able to achieve this, and then Vox being so modern would feel like it's being done on purpose instead of a writing case of someone not knowing what the fuck they're doing.
 
I personally think it'd be cool if Vox behaved like fuckin' Rod Serling in The Twilight Zone, and spent a lot of his screen time directly addressing the audience – introducing certain characters, doing the intro voice-overs, explaining concepts and generally being the main go-to loredump guy. Plus you could do some funny gags with Valentino & Velvette having no idea who the fuck he's talking to – and maybe Alastor or Lucifer are the only other ones even vaguely aware of the fourth wall.
Or maybe he acts like the killers in that horror movie "Funny Games" and straight up pauses or rewinds certain events... like on a TV! Maybe that's his secret Overlord power and what makes him such a massive threat... instead of him just being a flailing retard that loses to Alastor in a glorified rap battle and does nothing else
It's never not gonna be weird to me how Alastor in the newgrounds people produced pilot was actual comically nightmare powerful radio gimmick guy that actually leaned into the gimmick of the timeframe he's referencing somewhat but then in show made by amazon nork sweatshop workers I am not paying to watch (FUCK YOU) he's like uhhh "fuck idunno deer horns maybe radio voice also he's asexual guys!".
 
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This man speaks the truth. Helluva Bullshit parasiting Trashbin is the most likely outcome. At least the latter you can have some characters you may like, while would you really care if everyone died in Helluva? Perhaps Octavia (and for me, Stella), but honestly everyone other than the two of them and maybe Striker could just die and the show would improve.
 
It's never not gonna be weird to me how Alastor in the newgrounds people produced pilot was actual comically nightmare powerful radio gimmick guy that actually leaned into the gimmick of the timeframe he's referencing somewhat but then in show made by amazon nork sweatshop workers I am not paying to watch (FUCK YOU) he's like uhhh "fuck idunno deer horns maybe radio voice also he's asexual guys!".
Blame fanon. Alastor is pretty much written in response to how people hype him up as this S-tier badass that can one shot anyone, so now his character revolves on how he realizes that he's not the fearmonger he or fans think he is. When in reality, the fear of Alastor isn't what he can do, but his trustworthiness. His scary moments were used sparingly, moreso as a defense mechanism than just to show off. Otherwise, he's a welcoming individual who's all fun and games with occasional quips. I recalled Viv saying awhile back that Alastor is one of the more difficult characters to write for, because he's a contrast upon contrast. They need to give him enough asshole moments to show that he's not "le misunderstood good boi 🥺" but also need to make sure he has moments of pleasantness to make it understandable for Charlie to genuinely value his presence. I'm glad they didn't go with the vigilante route with him, but they went the opposite direction to where he's... a dickwad.
Or maybe he acts like the killers in that horror movie "Funny Games" and straight up pauses or rewinds certain events... like on a TV! Maybe that's his secret Overlord power and what makes him such a massive threat... instead of him just being a flailing retard that loses to Alastor in a glorified rap battle and does nothing else
If the "Sinners can only be in Pride" means they can't travel the rings, I was thinking Vox might develop the ability to interact with other ring inhabitants through TV screens while his base body is technically still in Pride. Maybe he eventually can get the ability to engage with human and angel media through Earth and Heaven's televisions since Helluva Boss shows Hell has access to their cable.
 
If the "Sinners can only be in Pride" means they can't travel the rings, I was thinking Vox might develop the ability to interact with other ring inhabitants through TV screens while his base body is technically still in Pride. Maybe he eventually can get the ability to engage with human and angel media through Earth and Heaven's televisions since Helluva Boss shows Hell has access to their cable.
I honestly don't think the cast will respect this, and the last season will have Hell on Earth and probably Charlie will be speaking to Satan and probably a bunch of fucking sinners in other rings, unless they develop a "Adam, but more awesome" who will bring all the rings down except pride.

If so he can start with Lust!
 
I'm already not liking this video and it hasn't even premiered yet. How many dollars you bet her "homophobic" takes are her reasonable criticisms, or better yet, her daring to question that Stolitz is an unforgivably toxic relationship that became one of the major reasons behind the show's decline in popularity and relevancy that even the most dedicated, strongest Stolitz soldiers are starting to agree upon?
Isn't it more "homophobic" to fetishize gay males and portray gay relationships as inherently abusive?
 
His scary moments were used sparingly, moreso as a defense mechanism than just to show off.
He also comes off as rather tryhard and putting on a front whenever he actively tries to be intimidating, as if desperately attempting to convince people he's really as badass as he sells himself.
Just look at how he feels the need to go all uber-demonic over something as small as threatening Hux or taking out some shark gangsters.

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Isn't it more "homophobic" to fetishize gay males and portray gay relationships as inherently abusive?

He also comes off as rather tryhard and putting on a front whenever he actively tries to be intimidating, as if desperately attempting to convince people he's really as badass as he sells himself.
Just look at how he feels the need to go all uber-demonic over something as small as threatening Hux or taking out some shark gangsters.
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God i forgot how shit the hollywood/broadway people voices were in comparison to the newgrounds guys lmao. he doesn't even sound like an energetic old time radio announcer anymore.

EDIT: I also apparently forgot how many creepy visual gags the pilot did compared to the series when he was on screen.
God it's like night and day though with how the animation is energy wise. I'm not gonna stop having my schizo theory about the forced dumb stupid melodrama shit taking the forefront of both series doing so because it's cheaper to animate people sitting around being all angry and sad. Rewatching these clips I noticed like when he gets uncomfortably close to people for a brief moment his voice effect goes away.
 
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They're both guys in suits with a TV head but one of them is clearly giving it his all in being the TV guy, and it's not the one that got sent to hell for a streaming show! Fuck, you could have tapped into how computer monitors themselves are basically the same thing as TVs but connected to something else. Break the fourth wall or something with him being the one guy knowing he's in a show deadpool style. I'm getting SO MANY IDEAS for a basic ass TV gimmick guy here mentally AND TYPING THEM ON MY SCREEN THAT YOU, YES YOU DEADLY GANGSTER FRANKENSTEIN SLAVE, ARE LOOKING AT.
Dude Imagine if vox knew he was in a TV Show and spent the entire time trying to figure out what was "on the other side", that'd actually be pretty interesting I think. You could even have a special where he breaks out into the "real world" and does his usual shenanigans. Have it styled like who framed Roger rabbit too with him animated on top of live action. That'd actually be interesting to watch.
 
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God it's like night and day though with how the animation is energy wise. I'm not gonna stop having my schizo theory about the forced dumb stupid melodrama shit taking the forefront of both series doing so because it's cheaper to animate people sitting around being all angry and sad.
I prefer the Alastor who actually could flex and where Charlie was actually afraid of him even though in "reality" she's almost certainly more powerful than he is.
 
I prefer the Alastor who actually could flex and where Charlie was actually afraid of him even though in "reality" she's almost certainly more powerful than he is.
Pilot charlie clearly wasn't intended as powerful because it was still meant as a comedy and not some musical melodrama heaven hell war thing. Clearly one of those characters where it's like "kid of important powerful being is just pretty much powerless normie nobody really takes seriously".
 
He also comes off as rather tryhard and putting on a front whenever he actively tries to be intimidating, as if desperately attempting to convince people he's really as badass as he sells himself.
Just look at how he feels the need to go all uber-demonic over something as small as threatening Hux or taking out some shark gangsters.
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Look at Sir Pentious. In the pilot, Alastor's delivery of asking if he knows him makes it ambiguous if he was trolling or genuinely didn't know, and retaliated because Sir P had his cannon charging, ready to harm everyone, and once Alastor landed the final blow, he immediately offers to cook jambalaya, showing that he saw Sir P as a problem that was done and over it. In the series, they hammer in that Alastor doesn't know him, making it abundantly clear he's saying that to fuck with him, we don't see what lead to Alastor attacking him, he laughs maniacally beating him up, and continues to mock him after he's finished.
I prefer the Alastor who actually could flex and where Charlie was actually afraid of him even though in "reality" she's almost certainly more powerful than he is.
I've heard Alastor is actually one of the weaker Overlords, and Charlie can kick his ass "behind a Wal-Mart". Aside from his introduction, Charlie was mostly level headed around Alastor. It was mainly Vaggie who was all up on Alastor being dangerous. One of my favorite comedic moments with Angel Dust was how nonchalant he was to Alastor, only asking about him because there was shit else to talk about, not effected by his backstory, versus the series where he asked Mimzy out of intrigue, and was taken back after hearing the backstory.
God i forgot how shit the hollywood/broadway people voices were in comparison to the newgrounds guys lmao. he doesn't even sound like an energetic old time radio announcer anymore.
The only reason Amir was chosen was because he played Bert Healy, Alastor's inspiration, on Broadway, which came out after Ed was casted. I couldn't find any recent Annie plays predating Amir's show which featured Bert Healy, which begs the question on who Viv would've gotten if Hazbin was picked up before 2018. Viv said that she's particularly on how Angel Dust and Alastor sounded, which may play a part on why Ed and Michael are beloved among other reasons, due to their in-character dynamic. They understood Angel and Alastor's characters weren't "sex" and "scary powers", but I guess that doesn't matter now because Broadway actors.
 
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Again, this is a much more interesting and funny pairing than what we got. But Viv HAD to pander to the faggots, so now we have a lesbian relationship that has about as much chemistry as William Hurt and Mimi Rogers in the 90s Lost in Space movie.
 
God i forgot how shit the hollywood/broadway people voices were in comparison to the newgrounds guys lmao. he doesn't even sound like an energetic old time radio announcer anymore.

EDIT: I also apparently forgot how many creepy visual gags the pilot did compared to the series when he was on screen.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dJ6-_J0JAIMGod it's like night and day though with how the animation is energy wise. I'm not gonna stop having my schizo theory about the forced dumb stupid melodrama shit taking the forefront of both series doing so because it's cheaper to animate people sitting around being all angry and sad. Rewatching these clips I noticed like when he gets uncomfortably close to people for a brief moment his voice effect goes away.
God the characters were really so much better in the pilot. Even from just those 8 minutes alone, you get a good establishment on who everyone is. Even Niffty and Husk who barely were in the pilot got more characterization than what they got in the actual show. I forgot that immediately you know Husk is a gambler when he first appears (literally) on screen. Unlike the show which takes till episode 4 for that to be mention. And that's only because Husk is telling Angel a backstory. Take that scene out and you would have no idea Husk had a gambling problem because there is no implications of it anywhere in the show.
 
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