Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[The tired cat]

Yeah but cartoon reviewers are retarded. It's a low blow nobody takes em seriously.

Fair enough, but I do imagine some would get tilted (specially that whitebread twat Saberspark, I mean with what lil credibility he has left)

 

[Castoreum]

Count ur days until there is gonna forced tranny shit, "trans rights" or what ever the fuck into the show. People of his persuasion can't help themselves and not ruin the good thing they have.

Spoiler: TADC autism

Anyone watching TADC knows Zooble is the trans stand-in. They're (sorry, yeah, I use "they," it's a fucking cartoon character) so ambiguously "neutral good" and "vaguely nice" it's kind of annoying. Though, I guess if the implication that all of the characters are in some way unhinged and mentally unwell, Zooble's catch being that they hate their body is really funny. Caine already tried his best to offer a resolution and even though Zooble can change whatever body part, they're still unhappy. Zooble is a fucking toy (rigged 3D model, w/e) in a fantasy world with no human biology and still experiences body dysphoria without having a body. It's almost profound. I wonder what the payoff is gonna be with the entire story, so I'm still cautiously optimistic.

 

[The Nothingness]

Celebrate Valentine's Day with the only pair in the Hellaverse that matters.

 

[Guysho]

Drunk post:

Take every mention of the word Honestly in this thread and replace it with Fuck. Make an episode out of it, perhaps it'll reduce the stress moon-face Viv is allegedly putting up with?

 

[GoodWinSon]

Drunk post:

Take every mention of the word Honestly in this thread and replace it with Fuck. Make an episode out of it, perhaps it'll reduce the stress moon-face Viv is allegedly putting up with?

Frankly I find that a funny idea.

 

[Argos]

Two facts Viv keeps stumbling over when talking about the Vees in general and Valentino specifically:

1) Sexual violence is perceived differently than "regukar" violence.

2) We never SEE Vox and Velvette being as horrible as Valentino, especially in relation to his treatment of Angel. (Even Valentino's VA said he was shocked to get the script for Masquerade and what the character was doing.) Hopefully we see Vox and Velvette being the villains they're supposed to be.

I'd like to see the story of how and why Angel wound up contracted to Valentino. If done right, viewers/readers would be going at points "NO, ANGEL, DON'T DO THAT!"

 

[Rakdos92]

I'd like to see the story of how and why Angel wound up contracted to Valentino. If done right, viewers/readers would be going at points "NO, ANGEL, DON'T DO THAT!"

I bet it was a pathetic thing, where Angel longed for fame while being a hooker after he either rejected his crime family or got kicked out after he fagged out too much. One day, Val was looking for a new piece of meat to put on display and Angel happened to catch his eye. Angel turned out to have some semblance of acting talent which was followed by demands for more from the customers, and that's when Valentino decided to keep him under lock and key with a more strigent contract than what he had now.

Some love-bombing combined with his roofie gas and some bedazzling with fame and money later, and Angel Dust was now firmly under the Vee's thumb.

 

[Catboi]

I bet it was a pathetic thing, where Angel longed for fame while being a hooker after he either rejected his crime family or got kicked out after he fagged out too much. One day, Val was looking for a new piece of meat to put on display and Angel happened to catch his eye. Angel turned out to have some semblance of acting talent which was followed by demands for more from the customers, and that's when Valentino decided to keep him under lock and key with a more strigent contract than what he had now.

Some love-bombing combined with his roofie gas and some bedazzling with fame and money later, and Angel Dust was now firmly under the Vee's thumb.

Part of the confusion for me is that Angel was in hell for DECADES before Valentino died, you're telling me that in all that time no one else got a hold on Angel or his family tolerated his behaviour justtt up until the point Valentino showed up AND had enough time to establish himself?

 

[didelphigina]

Part of the confusion for me is that Angel was in hell for DECADES before Valentino died, you're telling me that in all that time no one else got a hold on Angel or his family tolerated his behaviour justtt up until the point Valentino showed up AND had enough time to establish himself?

Reminder, Angel died in the 40s. Val died in the 70s. Angel Dust was in Hell for three decades prior to Val. You'd think he'd learn some lessons throughout those three decades. You'd think that Angel would've been something else. You'd think Angel was already an established pornstar and Valentino just so happened to be his next manager.

But this is all speculation because we have yet to know anything about Angel Dust's experience in Hell—darn it, this goes for all the sinners. What were there personal experiences with Hell? Why did we get no dialogue or backstory on the things they've been through? That would've allowed us to sympathize with Angel Dust further. We would've seen what led to him being under Val's lock and key. But no, everything'll be up to interpretation because we all know Vivziepop will only yammer such information in her lousy tweets or in an interview/livestream. If we do get such answers, better wait until 2027 when season three comes out.

Once again, the more pieces you pick and hold on how buck broken this worldbuilding/character building is, the bigger you realize the puzzle is to where it'll only leave you more frustrated than ever.

 

[Catboi]

Reminder, Angel died in the 40s. Val died in the 70s. Angel Dust was in Hell for three decades prior to Val. You'd think he'd learn some lessons throughout those three decades. You'd think that Angel would've been something else. You'd think Angel was already an established pornstar and Valentino just so happened to be his next manager.

But this is all speculation because we have yet to know anything about Angel Dust's experience in Hell—darn it, this goes for all the sinners. What were there personal experiences with Hell? Why did we get no dialogue or backstory on the things they've been through? That would've allowed us to sympathize with Angel Dust further. We would've seen what led to him being under Val's lock and key. But no, everything'll be up to interpretation because we all know Vivziepop will only yammer such information in her lousy tweets or in an interview/livestream. If we do get such answers, better wait until 2027 when season three comes out.

Once again, the more pieces you pick and hold on how buck broken this worldbuilding/character building is, the bigger you realize the puzzle is to where it'll only leave you more frustrated than ever.

If anything it would make more sense for Angel to be the big bad pimp considering he was from a mafia and even in hell continues to kill people. He has decades on Val in hell as someone with connections, experience, and motive.

Val is still a huge slut and porn star so that doesn't need to be taken away from Angels character either.

Butttt we all know he's only a fetish character at this point. After all Valentino is a late addition to his lore.

(I've seen a few artists play around with the idea of Valentino genuinely seeking redemption using what we know, on top of speculating on how he would have fared in hell his first years based on his pheromone abilities and inability to control his emotioms, but those people are endlessly harrassed and insulted because how DARE you not have Angel Dust as the permanent only victim in everything and think that these characters can have layers)

 

[Gondolindrim]

Ok, so looking trough the merch shop:
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These are pretty alright ig
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Sallie looks miserable, who would buy this??
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Wtf
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If someone has these on their car it should be legal to hit n run them
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How many pins of Moxxie sucking Blitz arm do you think they sold?
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Why is it so ugly?
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Weirdly high quality
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???
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Who would spend their cash on this?? Completely irrelevant guy and the ugliest beanie ever.
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I really wonder whos buying and wearing this kinda shit. Either they go outside enough that poor strangers/coworkers/fellow students have too see them wear this, or neet enough that their poor mother has to see them wear this.

Also, like 90% of Millies merch is with Sally for 'some reason'.

Jeez and you guys were complaining about the sexy stuff. These are just weird and poorly made.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Two facts Viv keeps stumbling over when talking about the Vees in general and Valentino specifically:

1) Sexual violence is perceived differently than "regukar" violence.

2) We never SEE Vox and Velvette being as horrible as Valentino, especially in relation to his treatment of Angel. (Even Valentino's VA said he was shocked to get the script for Masquerade and what the character was doing.) Hopefully we see Vox and Velvette being the villains they're supposed to be.

Vox and Velvette are very much still in the lines of "cartoony" villains. Vox has powers that can hypnotize people (which is something that is far removed from reality even if it is supposed to be a metaphor), his beef is mainly with Alastor which he loses anyway, and even when he tells Sir Pentious to kill himself it comes off in a more comedic way that doesn't have any negative long lasting effects on Pentious anyway. Even when he suggests to Valentino that he can calm himself down by shooting a couple of his low-paid employees, it's more of a throw away line. We don't have any personal connections to these employees and it's again far removed from reality because we know these people will just come back to life anyway.

Velvette, while less cartoonish than the male Vees, is still very much like high-school bully from a teen movie. She sings a song with another powerful overlord that mostly boils down to "okay boomer lol". She's rude to her employees and doesn't seem to care much about their well-being, which again falls into the same trap with Vox as we have no personal connection with these background characters and we know that they're most likely going to be fine when they come back to life. She's the creator of the love potion, but we don't see her using it herself. If we were going to blame her for how other people used her creation, well then we would have to also put blame on how Beelzebub let's her hellhound orphanages be ran or how Asmodeus let's his succubi/incubi use less then moral standards to get people to fuck them.

But we the audience know the full extent of what Valentino is like. The industry that he runs is very comparable to reality. The way he treats Angel Dust is played seriously and never for laughs. He's the one that rips one of Velvette's models apart during one of his tantrums. He's the one that is going to shoot some of Vox's employees to "calm down". We even see him be physically abusive to his robot servant that was made to specifically be in servitude for him. Until we see Vox or Vel do anything remotely in comparison to what Val does, Val will always be considered the worst Vee.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

I never saw the healthy appeal of mainstream YouTube funny guy animators, like FlashGitz and MeatCanyon. Though MeatCanyon got kinda better ever since they’ve started implementing some storytelling and more rational characters in their cartoons, I feel like these both channels exist solely to create cheap superficial skits or shock value content with no depth to it. Then you get a generation of people who think adult animation is just gross or dull comedies like Big Mouth or Sausage Party or commentaries on current socio-political events. I remember being the only one in my school who knew of the most insane shit I could find on Newgrounds and seing a group of peers giggling while watching Racist Mario. I mean, alright, I get it, Mario is a race-ist, you’re making motion tweened video game characters say no-no words and act pointlessly violent. Where’s the interesting part?

Blitzø: Hit & Run

Most of flatzgitz sketches are stuck in 2012, but Space King is actually really good, you can barely tell its made by the FG guys. I guess because its a passion project instead of a paycheck to them, it stands out in both writing quality and animation.

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

Part of the confusion for me is that Angel was in hell for DECADES before Valentino died, you're telling me that in all that time no one else got a hold on Angel or his family tolerated his behaviour justtt up until the point Valentino showed up AND had enough time to establish himself?

With Angel, you could theorized that because of his lack of opportunities of being sexual while alive, his attempts to do make it out in the industry in Hell were futile, until Valentino came along, and made him the star he is today. Perhaps Val was someone Angel genuinely loved only to be heartbroken by his eventual abuse, which he is now trapped in via the contract.

Makes more sense than Series Pentious wanted to be accepted by a group, whose oldest member didn't arrive until 60+ years later than he did, with the youngest didn't arrive until over a CENTURY later.

But this is all speculation because we have yet to know anything about Angel Dust's experience in Hell—darn it, this goes for all the sinners. What were there personal experiences with Hell? Why did we get no dialogue or backstory on the things they've been through?

This is why I'm hoping there's more to Pentious' backstory than what we got from the leaks. Mind you, he's been in Hell the longest out of the major characters, and the show kinda treats that as trivial info. If anyone should be familiar with Alastor, who the show wants to make a big deal on how dangerous he is, it should be him. He specifically states that in Episode 2 that defeating Alastor would get the Vee's approval, but given Alastor's been there longer than Vox, did he have a different motive for battling Alastor, or did he never bother with getting Overlord validation until years later, cause' one would question why he didn't seek out Zestial since he's the oldest Overlord. His "sin" is basically being an antisocial hermit which is why he didn't tell anyone about Jack The Ripper's identity, but his whole schtick is seeking out and trying to engage with Hell's finest, so what gave him that incentive? They say his "redemption" was him "sacrificing" himself to protect his friends, but he sorta redeemed himself from his apparent flaws once he joined the Hotel for reals, since he's socializing with people non maliciously. :/

 

[InJailOutSoon]

So this video came up in my recommendations. It's interesting to see someone's perspective of the show that has no interest in it whatsoever as a fan or a critic. It's nice to see an outsider's reaction, and a good reminder that the people who hate this show passionately are also just as obsessed as the fans who see no wrong in this fictional piece of media.

Anyway, one point that was brought up that I wanted to expand on was the fact that the characters of this show are just stereotypes (which is funny because I know Viv had no intention of that being the case). Which, when you peel away the premise of this show, it is very much the case as the story follows a very "paint-by-number" sort of way. Like we know exactly what point B we'll get to from point A. And that wouldn't be so bad persay, if the journey from point A to be point B was engaging. But, it's really not.

One good example of this is the Vaggie being an exorcist reveal. Once Adam reveals to us the audience that Vaggie was at one point an exorcist angel, it's only a matter of time until that information is revealed to Charlie. So instead of our attention being focused on whether Charlie is going to find out Vaggie's secret, it's more on how that secret will be revealed. But besides one questioning on Adam's end during the trial, which Vaggie makes a half-baked excuse to go to the bathroom so she doesn't have to make the decision of if Charlie's dream is worth the sacrifice of her dark past being exposed, it's never brought up again until close to the end of the episode where Adam reveals it to Charlie. Which, again, the audience knew was going to happen; we just wanted to know if it was going to happen because Vaggie stayed by her girlfriend's side in the thick of it or the fact that Adam still spills the beans even when Vaggie followed what he told her to do. Instead of this plot point being an insight on Vaggie and how she will grow from this as a character, it instead becomes the typical third-act breakup because...well, that's what is supposed to happen at this time in the story.

 

[Stumbling9]

To be fair I only know Limus for his shit video on autistic characters

The hole video is legit how he experienced with autism, and how he thinks all the characters he picked are autism coded.

I tried watching he's "Victim ABUSS" video, instantly quits the moment he mentions how "Jewtubers needs to take responsibility because think of the children" minus the fact that it's inevitable.

Also his argument that show isn't bad because of swearing is a weak argument, how am I supposed to take characters seriously if all I hear is FUCK FUCK SHIT every sentence.

 

[Saxxon]

The abuse video sucks, but that limus guy got dunk on by the commentator for saying the quite part out loud: despite being rated as a mature show the vast majority of the fanbase is made of impressionable young children.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

Folks, I had an idea of a RPG/MOTHER inspired game with Hazbin/Hellaverse characters. Yes, this includes the "Left Hand of God" character, and I ask those who are reading to not think of me as a "Coldsteel the Hedgehog"-type of character. I wanted to share this with you because I just thought it was cool, and really, get thoughts of those here. Like I said many times over, this thread is really nice, and I have NO INTENTION of making it "infected". It's kind of a "home" of sorts, heh.

This would be an outline, and I'm very open to ideas, please do feel free to add any ideas you may have. Thanks!
Note: Wherever you see "Hashem" here, it means the Left Hand of God character. I didn't think of a proper name yet.

Spoiler: How it would go.

Chapter 1: Resurrection of Adam, and Lute finding him
This is where Adam is resurrected, and Lute finds him. I'm undecided if they would go to hell or be in Earth. They are told they must find a few key pieces (undecided yet), in order to solve a puzzle, and they will then be able to travel to Hell. Said object would make them imune to attacks to Hellspawn, and also show there is something big about to happen, while they battle waves of "violent people" that suddenly begin to attack (Much like Giygas in MOTHER 2).
In the meantime, the Hotel cast and the Boss cast act the same, but they notice that there are quite a lot of people coming to hell lately, which got the attention of Heaven too. They enact a search, all the while the player would go into the skin of "Hashem Heres" (The Name is Destruction).

Chapter 2: Chaos ensues
While the player would be in his player, he would see he is nigh invincible. He would be a one man army, taking down soldiers, disabling missiles, perhaps some form of stealth? Anyway, he would kill important people on Earth, who would go to Hell and become Overlords - which would be competition to Vox et al. Lute and Stella are the first to realise this, and Mammon concludes that Peter should have a list showing the recent killings. Yet, Peter is incompetent and just tries to give excuses. For that, he is killed and gone for good. No pussyfooting.
This part I'm uncertain, but leaders of the world would die. C.H.E.R.U.B & D.H.O.R.K.S. would try a plan to entrap Hashem Heres and would fail. He would spare them, as their heart is "good", but would not forgive a second time.
Hashem, with his killings of the unrighetous and sinful has then a cult:

• Some who see him as a "Jesus on steroids", a force of good;
• Some who see him as a person who came to avenge and bring justice to the world, but in the price of blood - a necessary cost;
• Some who see him as a person who see death as a release of the evils of society. A death cult, shall we say.

Hashem has followers, as a form of militia now. He does not care, because he does the work all on his own. Yet these militiamen find it on their own to kill who they please, and the situation turns chaotic. This causes riots and the situation gets really bad on Earth. Heaven attempts to intervene, but Hashem continues the killings unabated - but also punishing the unrighteous killings. He then goes to Hell, to begin killing the leaders:

• Overlords;
• The Goetia, """sparing""" Striker, Stella and Octavia only because they recognised Jesus Christ's authority;
• Seven deadly sins;
• Satan, who then makes Hell entirely on Lucifer and Lilith's shoulders.

With an overcrowd in Hell and seeing the situation is unsustainable, Lucifer and Lilith reveal there is in fact a hidden ring: Treason, where the The Swords of Apocalypse are located (I think these swords can be located in all rings, really. Just an idea) - these being a final solution to destroy Hell and all inside. Only Adam and few select men can truly remove them. The final team is then formed, with Adam, Lute, Lucifer, Lilith and Charlie. All the others are dead.

Chapter 3: Saving... the world?
We see the ring of treason is an ugly place. Not edgy, not "we be gaying here!!!". Just cold, dark and without hope. All the past experiences of those who visit there and their fears are manifest, and the enemies are tough. The gang does battle their demons, while some of the militiamen also remove the swords too. But they are successful. But... there's a problem. They played right on Hashem's plans:
Hell will be destroyed, all in there will be sent instead to the Lake of Fire. Heaven will be in peril as well, as there will be no reason for one to exist without the other, and Lute says it's time to go there before Hashem destroys it. At this point, the player sees that The Left Hand isn't as good as one would think - and that's my idea. His plan to make things right and good is insane, and he wants death and destruction: hell, he even has powers to manipulate people to make them kneel and accept Christ unwillingly!
I didn't think much on this part, but the gang is successful in uncovering things about heaven, before they make it to Earth. But there is something... strange about Earth.
This isn't their "Earth". In fact, it's much more like our Earth!
While there was a power vacuum of leaders and the current status quo, a man rose up to lead things, and Hashem/Left Hand said he's an (notice I said "an", not "The") antichrist. He will persecute those who won't worship him, who won't have his mark, and who won't obey the global government. This is where - ahem - "shit gets real". You see things that are common that would be in real life. Anarcho-Tyranny, fighting soldiers that would ruin your life, trannies, pornsick people, Christians who won't obey Hashem/Left Hand or the Antichrists/Globalists.
And this is where the gang will learn a lot, that there is more fighting for, things that there are lessons to take: about loved ones, those whom we hold dear, and what threatens it. Funnily enough, these Christians won't know Lucifer is there, lol.

Anyway, as they thread their path, undermining the Globalists (don't know how, yet), it is then shown that Hashem/Left Hand has already killed them all, and meets them in a common ground (to subvert the trope of "I'll be waiting for you at the top of a tower with lighting bolts!"). Upon a gruelling battle, he will say that he has "wonderful things to show them, and that they will see how wonderful their world has become". With it, a punch to the ground makes an earthquake, and sends them to a Purgatory... Which has parts of Heaven, Hell and Earth spliced together.

Chapter 4: Horror
Finally at the home stretch, the gang arrives at the Purgatory, to see what the Hellaverse is: An ugly, messy mold of flesh, eyes and carnage. If anyone had any doubts that Hashem/Left Hand was a brutal person, this should be a definitive end to it. He had no reason to do it in his quest for "righteousness", that became a bloodlust.
In this part, we'll see a repeat of all parts of the game, (or at least select few, like the Hotel, Heaven, Lust Ring, etc. - I must thank @Elpizo for the redesigns and thus making a truly disgusting experience! ), where the players will battle the tortured souls of people who are still alive. People from Earth, fused with Hellspawn and Heaven who refused to ally with Hashem/Left hand, and bosses being people like a tortured Stolas, Alastor, and etc. As they die, they shall finally have peace from their suffering.
Curiosity: I got this idea from the "Guardian" enemy from Dead Space, who screams in agony. Once it dies, you can hear it sigh, with its' torture and agony finally coming to an end.

After battling through Hell, and meting people who seem to be at "peace" (being spared for having a "good heart"?), the final battle is on. Charlie is killed by Hashem/Left Hand, and a gruelling battle is about to begin, with 4v1. This is where eventually Hashem/Left Hand becomes a monster, as it progresses, but the cast is saved by the true, rightful Right Hand of God: Jesus Christ Himself.

Hashem accepts his fate, and is exploded by Jesus in a one hit kill, much like Tyrant-00 from Resident Evil 1. Then Jesus Christ finally ends all this insanity, and brings everyone to be judged.

Chapter 4: Backstory & Ending
A backstory of why Hashem did what he did is revealed:
He was the Left Hand of God, who did not resent being in such position, and in fact obeyed Christ being the Right Hand. Yet, seeing how Earth was becoming the way it was, and without justice, he couldn't stand seeing Christians and rightful religious people suffering. He was told to wait, as God knows when is the time to come and do what is right, as Revelation speaks of the Camp of the Saints.
Yet, not feeling this was right, the Left Hand came, and began his own brand of justice, creating a worse hellscape that there was. His intent was killing and making those who wronged others to suffer, yet - he wouldn't stop it. With such, Jesus Christ eventually had to come, alongside Gabriel and other angels (as well as the 12 apostles - and I mean Paul being the 12th here), to fix what was wrong.

Every evil or bad person was then properly judged, and sent into the Lake of Fire, and good person sent to rest in Heaven. Yet, for his doing, the Left Hand of God would be sent to the Lake of Fire, much like Lucifer and Lilith (for their previous rebellion). Unlike being escorted by angels, Hashem/Left Hand was escorted by the apostles, John and Paul. He was fully accepting of his judgement, and freely jumped to his destiny, while his life flashed through his eyes. And with a second, he was then gone.

Adam then finally found rest, alongside Lute, and all was well.
END.

 

[AnOminous]

Vox has powers that can hypnotize people (which is something that is far removed from reality even if it is supposed to be a metaphor)

He's the demonic personification of television, an absolutely awful invention that has caused incalculable damage to the human race. Sources: Television: The Plug-In Drug, Television, Children and the Family, by Marie Winn, and Understanding Media by Marshall McLuhan.

Basically the low and highbrow arguments against television, although McLuhan doesn't specifically attack the Internet, his ideas about media in general are directly applicable.

Most of the media humans currently consume are literally poisonous to mental health.

One good example of this is the Vaggie being an exorcist reveal.

That doesn't even make sense. It's retarded.

A much better way of doing it, and might even make them credible lovers, is if they encountered each other in a purge, Vaggie was convinced by Charlie's arguments, and actually fell in love with each other at that point, as Vaggie realized all souls can be redeemed.

You know, like Catholicism actually says.

There, we have some reason they bonded. Why did they bond in this show? Oh, their actual relationship is completely ignored, because male faggotry is way more important. Vivz, you're a sexist. You hate your female characters.

Please try to do better.

 

[ssaneenah]

I ask those who are reading to not think of me as a "Coldsteel the Hedgehog"-type of character

I won’t, unless you’ve put pudgy Loona in there.