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The military doesn't allow weapons to be carried on base? What are we, the Soy-viet Union?

There's so much irony in that I can't even...
I remember when Fort Hood happened that msm back then were talking about some rules passed during Clinton's era that stopped soldiers carrying loaded weapons or something like that on base and the Obama SoD back then said nothing would change and it would make things less safe if changed. I'm just going off memory now.
 
I remember when Fort Hood happened that msm back then were talking about some rules passed during Clinton's era that stopped soldiers carrying loaded weapons or something like that on base and the Obama SoD back then said nothing would change and it would make things less safe if changed. I'm just going off memory now.

Still doesn't make any sense, you'd think they'd at least have armed guards or something, it's a fucking military base for Christ's sake.
 
Still doesn't make any sense, you'd think they'd at least have armed guards or something, it's a fucking military base for Christ's sake.

Isn't it a running joke in the military that MPs suck ass at their jobs?
 
Still doesn't make any sense, you'd think they'd at least have armed guards or something, it's a fucking military base for Christ's sake.

I think the MPs still carry weapons, but other soldiers do not.

There was a push a couple years ago to let soldiers opt to carry a personal firearm concealed, but I believe that's at the base commander's discretion or something - My military family and friends are all ex-military, none currently serving to ask.
 
Archive: Michael Bloomberg suggests disarming minorities to 'keep them alive'

Actual: Michael Bloomberg suggests disarming minorities to 'keep them alive'

Found this gem from reddit, how does he expect to get elected, and how come no one progressive has brought this part up against him? sure he has the money, so did Clinton, and other than California and New York, she lost the rest.
From the article
They just don’t have any long-term focus or anything. It’s a joke to have a gun. It’s a joke to pull a trigger.

This is actually a pretty good statement about the gun culture of urban blacks tbh.
However, the underlying message of what he is saying is pretty much "blacks are too stupid and immature to be allowed to own firearms" is pretty fucking hilarious coming from a Democratic presidential candidate.
 
From the article


This is actually a pretty good statement about the gun culture of urban blacks tbh.
However, the underlying message of what he is saying is pretty much "blacks are too stupid and immature to be allowed to own firearms" is pretty fucking hilarious coming from a Democratic presidential candidate.

It's almost as if the people who call their opponents racist all the time have negative opinions of certain ethnicities! Who would've thunk it!?
 
I wonder if these Harvard guys will close an eye if we mention the case of some anti-gun activists who was caught doing gun smuggling like ex-senator Leland Yee?

No they'll just sperg on about how they would have gotten away with it, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
 
It's funny how all the politicians and celebrities who want guns banned will hire armed guards for themselves while spouting their hypocritical bullshit.

3D printing ain't shit compared to CNC machining and technical knowledge. Even if you could sign a piece of paper to make all guns illegal and/or magically disappear, illicit machine shops would begin to make copies. People build AK clones in caves after all.

Still working my way through the thread but I am glad someone pointed this out.

The biggest obstacle I see to gun laws is the Maker Movement. An ideal about spreading technical knowledge to the masses and giving them access to the tools to use it. By decentralizing production you increase the area that police have to cover, thereby diluting their effect.

Most of the liberals I bring this up to think I am trolling them so I haven't gotten a good response to solve this issue. A Google search turned up a European think tank whose response was "Fuck if we know how to solve this."

In the end we would have to focus on the people behind the weapon more than the weapon itself.

Then again you would have to get people to stop being drugged by their phones to give enough of a damn to learn a new skill.
 
Just saw a screenshot of a Washington post op-ed (I don't have much faith in their stuff ) basically admitting the NRA will fail because of demographics. Trying to google the article and can't find it. Its a reality that only a minority of immigrants post 1965 after Hart Cellar believe in gun rights with most of them coming from shitholes ran by people who measure their dicks with their guns and most of the gun laws being pushed, not to be intentionally conspiratorial here, are by rich Jews as I found on either /k/ or probably /pol/ about the people trying to pass stronger gun control laws than what California has. 2nd amendment will survive till this country meets its end but it will be more a tradition to keep than something to use and respect as this country gets more comfortable and urbanized. Civics has already been gutted in this country and after Trump, the GOP has no long term solution. Jeb Bush would have jobbed to Clinton until Trump showed up. I already mentioned earlier that black woman are a large vote bank for the democrats where most of the gun control measures come from, the irony that would make Ida B. Wells roll over in her grave. I don't understand the hatred of the black woman for trump, he actually was trying to gain their votes rather than writing them off but anyways, the bond between the citizenry has been weakened by groups, not just the juden, who have exploited America for money and sold this nation out.
 
I believe that gun control can work if you actually reduce the number of guns in circulation. The problem is how to achieve that (assuming you want to). The "MuRdErErS don't CARE aboUt the LaW" argument doesn't hold up since the point is to make guns more difficult to own; more determined ones will get access, but many murders, maybe most murders, have been committed by people who would not have a reason or determination to get one.

The problem is that when your country has more guns than people, and the people have a very low trust of the government (which is 100% justified), you're not going to be able to even dent the numbers in circulation. You'd have to start a massive sweep, like police searching every home, to even try, and that's never going to happen.

Moreover, I'm not convinced that we should go take things away from people just because people die from them. As a general rule.

I don't understand the hatred of the black woman for trump, he actually was trying to gain their votes rather than writing them off but anyways, the bond between the citizenry has been weakened by groups, not just the juden, who have exploited America for money and sold this nation out.

But they don't, to my knowledge, hate him that much? The American Black doesn't vote for Trump in general, but they vote for him more than they voted for any of the other recent Republicans.
 
In my opinion gun control does not work and actively works to punish legal gun owners rather than the criminals it's supposed to protect against.

I do think that America has a specific gun culture that has been turned hyperbolic in the last 20 years by ever increasing regulations by nimby's, but it hasn't been shown to be effective and it never will. If the person involved in mass shootings, crime, etc is inclined towards violence, they will find a way to use illegal weapons regardless of the laws in place. And therefore any gun restrictions realistically effect lawful gun owners more than any particular criminal.

Also the claim that America has a gun violence epidemic is over inflated anyways, if you look at the number of gun related deaths the vast majority included in the statistics but never directly attributed to a cause is self harm.
This is universal in any gun owning country though, if you look at Switzerland which is the most heavily armed nation in Europe in terms of guns per citizen, they have a remarkably low rate of gun violence. In almost all of their cases of gun violence it is again self harm.

The other over looked statistic is the fact that mere presence serves as a prevention or a way to respond. You never see long drawn out reports in cases where someone attempts to shoot up a place and a citizen kills or apprehends the person involved. That always gets brushed under the table, but the numbers aren't insignificant, nor is the projected number for altercations not escalating because the individuals involved are armed.

A great example outside of the US of this in practice is to be found in Mexico where gun ownership is restricted/illegal and the cartels have an overwhelming glut of guns. (The American government actually armed them.) Townships have been forming rifle clubs, (legal ways to arm oneself) and illegally also arming themselves in order to combat the cartels. The irony is, is that in these regions of Mexico the overall crime rate, violence, kidnappings, etc drops to almost nil in any case where the townsfolk have taken steps to arm themselves, and not rely on their government for support.

If it were a question of repealing it. In terms of the US I would mandate that people take a 1 year training course learning firearm proficiency, safety, and understanding their rights to use. This on top of the existing background checks would allow for a better understanding of the system.

That would enable them to own firearms of any make or any calibre any capacity with the exception of full autos.

Those would require a business/collectors license much in the same way it's done now, and anything like that would be required to only be fired at designated ranges. (RPG's, Mortars, etc.)

In terms of suppressors, legal, they're basically were made for hunting and making firing guns more pleasurable for ladies and kids. Assassinations using them are vastly overblown, in the same way people fear tactical shotguns but not the same gauge with a woodstock handle.

In terms of concealed carry. I'm not crazy about concealed, but I wouldn't stand in the way of it. I'd prefer to do the whole Texan thing and have it right then and there on my belt.

This is with the full understanding that in this lessened gun restriction in society, you try to harm someone or cause them criminal violence and they shoot you, that's your responsibility. You do the action, you suffer the consequences.

I also support the current laws about felons, certain psychiatric cases, etc from not being able to purchase or own firearms. But that's more of a justice and mental health issue.
 
Here a is link from reddit's liberal gun owners about Bloomberg as well as a UN group that actually advocates for gun control world wide: Who funds anti-gun politics?


The UN group is called IANSA. They advocate for gun control worldwide basically looking at their website and surprising their partners here in the United States of America are not the ones that Bloomberg funds.

Link: International Action Network on Small Arms
Archive: IANSA

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There has also was a gun buyback in my area this weekend, heard about it from the radio. All them hosts be happy doppy about you should have no need for the gun, keep bay area safe.

Article: Several gun buybacks in the Bay Area happening on Saturday
Archive: Several gun buybacks in the Bay Area happening on Saturday

Several gun buybacks are being held across the Bay Area on Saturday.

The buyback at United Playaz in San Francisco is from 8pm until noon at 1038 Howard St.

You can get $100 for a hand gun or $200 for a semi-automatic weapon, no questions asked.

Santa Clara County is holding a buyback at the Gilroy Corporation Yard at 613 Old Gilroy St. from 9 a.m. to 2 p.m.

In Vallejo, there is a buyback on the Solano County Fairgrounds at 900 Fairgrounds Dr. from 9 a.m. to 2 p.m.

In San Mateo County, there's a buyback at 1000 Skyway Road in San Carlos from 9:30 am until 2:30 pm.

Some pictures:

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White guy is is a CA State Senator who stated that people have turned in a lot of assault weapons on his twitter post. His name is Scott Weiner and of course he looks like a you would expect a beta liberal gun grabber to look like.

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Link to twitter post: Scott Weiner Assault Weapons
Archive Link: Scott Weiner Assault Weapons

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Article: Gun Buy Back: Upcoming Date Set In San Mateo County
Archive: Gun Buy Back: Upcoming Date Set In San Mateo County

SAN MATEO COUNTY, CA — An anonymous San Mateo County "Gun Buy Back" event is set for Saturday, Dec. 14 that will allow residents to receive cash for unwanted or unsecured guns, with no questions asked.

The buyback will run from 9:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. at 1000 Skyway Road in San Carlos, according to the San Mateo County Sheriff's Office.

Those interested can receive $100 for handguns and rifles and $200 for assault rifles.

Also planned are distribution of free gun locks, a raffle and the appearance of the 102.9 KBLX crew.

For more information, call 650-363-4800.

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Here is the radio station that made me aware of it.

Article: Join 102.9 KBLX at the San Mateo County Anonymous Gun Buyback
Archive: Join 102.9 KBLX at the San Mateo County Anonymous Gun Buyback

Do your part to make San Mateo County an even safer place to live, work, and play by participating in our gun buyback event on Saturday, December 14th, 2019.

The San Mateo County Sheriff’s Office along with Redwood City Police Department, Belmont Police Department and the Citizens for a San Mateo County Gun Buyback are hosting this event on Saturday December 14th, at 1000 Skyway Road in San Carlos from 9:30am to 2:30pm and we encourage anyone with any unwanted or unused firearms to exchange them anonymously for cash.

For info visit smcsheriff.com

You can make a difference to prevent future gun violence.

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What's more exceptional? Giving away a KSG to a buyback or buying something made by Kel-Tec and expecting it to work out of the box? Also looks par for the course it's a bunch of old Sears hunting rifles and shotguns with a smattering of alloy frame revolvers, sigma's and ring of fire drop pieces.
 
Found a story on Breitbart about a man who tried to defend his family in Mexico from some kidnappers and almost got BTFO by the government of Mexico.

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From Breitbart

Article: Mexican Father Who Shot Son’s Kidnappers Gets House Arrest for Christmas
Archive: Mexican Father Who Shot Son’s Kidnappers Gets House Arrest for Christmas

A Mexican father who picked up an old rifle to rescue his son from a group of kidnappers will likely spend Christmas with his family after a judge placed him on house arrest instead of jail. He is still facing criminal charges in connection with the “homicide in a fight” of one of kidnapper.

Earlier this month, 66-year-old “Don Ramon” Merino, a former Mexican soldier and member of the town council in Tecamalucan, made headlines after he used an old rifle to fight off a group of kidnappers that were chasing his son. During the fight, one of the would-be kidnappers died from a gunshot wound and a second suspect sustained injuries. State authorities in Veracruz arrested Don Ramon as part of a homicide investigation. A judge ordered that he be held in jail for a year during his trial.

A new statement from the Veracruz Attorney General’s Office revealed that another state judge changed the charge to “homicide during a riot,” or a charge similar to manslaughter, and granted Don Ramon a term of three months of house arrest while the case went to trial.

The case sparked unrest in Veracruz where an ongoing turf war by rival cartels is causing a spike in kidnappings and executions despite constant official claims about improving security. Veracruz is one of the states in Mexico where authorities continue to find large mass graves and cartel killing fields.

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From Mexico News Daily

Article: Man suspected of murdering son’s kidnapper released from preventative custody
Archive: Man suspected of murdering son’s kidnapper released from preventative custody

A Veracruz man accused of killing a man he suspected of trying to kidnap his son was released from jail on Monday after his case went viral on social media and sparked hundreds of protests calling for his release.

Ramón Merino will continue the judicial process under house arrest while authorities investigate the case, which is expected to take about three months.

Don Ramón, as he has been dubbed by supporters, was arrested after shooting two men he suspected of trying to kidnap his son. He killed one and wounded another, who was also arrested. A third man fled.
Merino was initially sentenced to a year of preventative custody in prison, but public pressure led a judge to modify the ruling.

“Originally, the attorney general had provided evidence to seek a charge for the crime of homicide, and during the hearing the judge resolved to change the charge to manslaughter,” said the Veracruz Attorney General’s Office in a statement.

According to Veracruz state law, Merino could get five to 12 years in prison if it is found that he began the quarrel that led to the murder, or four to eight years if it is found that he was provoked, and a fine of up to 20,500 pesos (US $1,083).

Upon being released from jail, Don Ramón was met by a cheering crowd of supporters.

“I can’t explain to you how happy I am for your support . . . I love you, I love you and forgive me if I’ve ever offended you, although I don’t think I have because I have always been respectful with everyone in my town. I’m here to serve you,” he said to supporters.

“I’m happy for what I did, because I defended myself,” he added.

On December 8, Ramón Merino received a call from his son who said that he was being followed by men in a truck who wanted to kidnap him. The ex-soldier told his son to come to his house in Acultzingo, Veracruz, where he met the men with gunfire.

When making his statement after his arrest, Merino said that the same men had victimized his daughter a year earlier.

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From the Daily Mail

Article: Terrified man being chased by same kidnappers who tried to abduct his sister last year lures them to the home of his military veteran father - who shoots one dead and injures another
Archive: Terrified man being chased by same kidnappers who tried to abduct his sister last year lures them to the home of his military veteran father - who shoots one dead and injures another

  • Ramón Merino killed one of the two men who attempted to kidnap his son December 8 in Acultzingo, Veracruz
  • The retired military man received a call from his son while he was being chased on a road
  • The 62-year-old instructed his son to allow the suspects to follow him to the family home and met them with fire, killing a man identified as Genaro
  • Merino said the same group attempted to kidnap his daughter a year earlier
  • A second suspect was also wounded and arrested
  • Merino was placed under house arrest after a judge released him from prison Monday and reduced the murder charge to manslaughter
  • Prosecutors were given up to three months to evaluate the case
A quick-thinking military veteran killed a suspected kidnapper and injured another chasing his son after telling the victim to lure the men to his house where he was waiting with a gun.

Ramón Merino told authorities he received a December 8 phone call from his son, who feared for his life after he was being chased on a road by a group of men.

The 62-year-old instructed his son Ramón to allow the three abductors to follow him to the family home in the town of Acultzingo.

Merino aimed his rifle and fire on the suspects' vehicle, killing a man identified as Genaro, 32, and wounding another, who was arrested.

According to Merino, the two suspects had also tried to kidnap his daughter a year earlier.

The former soldier was taken into custody and charged with murder.

The initial judge ordered Merino held in prison without bail for up to a year, sparking rounds of protests from the municipality's residents and online supporters.

Merino's backers took to the streets once again Monday and blocked several roads and showed up outside the courthouse while the ex-serviceman met with a judge, who changed the murder charge to manslaughter count.

The magistrate also ordered Merino's release from prison and placed him under house arrest.

Prosecutors will have three months to reevaluate the case.

Under Veracruz Penal Code 133, if convicted, Merino could spend between 5 to 12 years if prosecutors find he initiated the aggression.

He could also be sentence to anywhere between four to eight years if it is proven that the criminal action was provoked.
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What the fuck is it with this stuff mostly happening in left leaning countries where people protecting themselves get punished harder than right leaning countries. The rights of the criminal over the victim.
 
What's more exceptional? Giving away a KSG to a buyback or buying something made by Kel-Tec and expecting it to work out of the box? Also looks par for the course it's a bunch of old Sears hunting rifles and shotguns with a smattering of alloy frame revolvers, sigma's and ring of fire drop pieces.
$100 for handguns and $200 for long guns? I know a place I picked up a four jiminez pistols for about $25 each, and a place I got a rather nice Winchester 22 for $50. I need to make a road trip.

And for the curious, that place is yard sales in Arizona. God, the gun deals you find in an adobe garage and 115° heat.
 
New Zealand: 56,000 guns handed over during amnesty (Archive)

More than 56,000 weapons have been handed to authorities in New Zealand during a six-month amnesty, police say.

The buy-back scheme was launched when authorities banned semi-automatic weapon in response to the killing of 51 people at two mosques in Christchurch.

The ban was agreed by parliament weeks after the 15 March shootings - the worst in modern times in New Zealand.

Australian Brenton Tarrant, a self-proclaimed white supremacist, has been charged and faces trial next year.

Was the programme a success?
The scheme was launched in April.

In return for handing in the firearms, owners were compensated up to 95% of the original price of the weapons.

The programme ended on 20 December with police hailing the amnesty as a success.

"We have taken well over 50,000 of these guns out of our community. That's got to be a good thing," said Police Minister Stuart Nash.

However the amnesty has faced some criticism from some groups including the Council of Licensed Firearms Owners.

The group's spokeswoman Nicole McKee told the New Zealand Herald that she believed there were 170,000 prohibited guns in the country.

Speaking about gun owners, she said: "Some of them are going to hide their firearms, some of them are protecting history and some of them - a good portion of them - don't know what's going on."

In 2016, New Zealand Police estimated that there were 1.2 million legal firearms owned by civilians - which equates to around one for every four people.

What happened in Christchurch?
On 15 March, Brenton Tarrant attacked the Al Noor mosque and Linwood Islamic Centre in Christchurch.

He is charged with the murder of 51 people, 40 counts of attempted murder and one terrorism charge.

The gunman was armed with semi-automatic rifles, and is believed to have modified his weapons with high-capacity magazines so they could hold more bullets.

He pleaded not guilty to all charges and is expected to face trial next year.
 
New Zealand: 56,000 guns handed over during amnesty (Archive)

More than 56,000 weapons have been handed to authorities in New Zealand during a six-month amnesty, police say.

The buy-back scheme was launched when authorities banned semi-automatic weapon in response to the killing of 51 people at two mosques in Christchurch.

The ban was agreed by parliament weeks after the 15 March shootings - the worst in modern times in New Zealand.

Australian Brenton Tarrant, a self-proclaimed white supremacist, has been charged and faces trial next year.

Was the programme a success?
The scheme was launched in April.

In return for handing in the firearms, owners were compensated up to 95% of the original price of the weapons.

The programme ended on 20 December with police hailing the amnesty as a success.

"We have taken well over 50,000 of these guns out of our community. That's got to be a good thing," said Police Minister Stuart Nash.

However the amnesty has faced some criticism from some groups including the Council of Licensed Firearms Owners.

The group's spokeswoman Nicole McKee told the New Zealand Herald that she believed there were 170,000 prohibited guns in the country.

Speaking about gun owners, she said: "Some of them are going to hide their firearms, some of them are protecting history and some of them - a good portion of them - don't know what's going on."

In 2016, New Zealand Police estimated that there were 1.2 million legal firearms owned by civilians - which equates to around one for every four people.

What happened in Christchurch?
On 15 March, Brenton Tarrant attacked the Al Noor mosque and Linwood Islamic Centre in Christchurch.

He is charged with the murder of 51 people, 40 counts of attempted murder and one terrorism charge.

The gunman was armed with semi-automatic rifles, and is believed to have modified his weapons with high-capacity magazines so they could hold more bullets.

He pleaded not guilty to all charges and is expected to face trial next year.

This buyback shit never ceases to amaze me. I can understand (I highly disagree with it but still understand) banning the sale of these "scary guns" but a buyback program pretty much tells me that the government thinks I am a mass murder waiting to come out. The world is fucking gay yo
 
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