Gun Control

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The biggest blackpill is seeing how people watched little kids get murdered at Uvalde while cops did nothing and then DOUBLED DOWN on SUPPORTING gun bans.

Anti-gun people are literally retarded and should be castrated.
 
I apologize for the necropost. That being said, I'm going to post some statistics and studies on gun control and associated topics.
In 2017, the United States had 120.5 guns per 100 people, according to the Small Arms Survey (archive link).
In 2017, the United States also had 11,020 homicides with firearms, according to Statista.
In July 2018 (the closest dataset I could find), the United States had a population of 327,167,434, according to the US Census Bureau.
Doing the math, this comes out to: 394,236,758 firearms; one gun homicide for every 29,689 people; and a gun homicide for every 35,775 firearms.

By contrast, a survey and subsequent paper by William English of Georgetown University questioned ~54,000 people, finding 16,708 gun owners.
It found that a third of the surveyed gun owners had at least one defensive gun usage (DGU), sometimes more.
The research paper estimates 1.67 million DGUs per year in the United States, based on the data.
Some specifics:
81.9% of DGUs do not result in shots fired.
25.2% of DGUs occurred within the defender's home.
59.3% of DGUs occurred outside the home but on the defender's private property.
9.1% of DGUs occurred in public.
3.2% of DGUs happened at the defender's place of work.
Doing the math, this comes out to: one DGU for every 196 people; one gun homicide for every 152 DGUs; and one DGU for every 236 firearms.
 
I'm moving my question here in the hopes for some insight, because I can see that the original thread has devolved into people screeching over each other about how inherently right they are and how inherently retarded everyone else is.

Given the tranny gun news,
Meursault's gun said:
Could someone provide their take on what they think a reasonable alternative to the GCA's restrictions regarding felons and the severely mentally ill could even look like? Because I can't imagine that you could sell the idea that people with proven violent histories and/or reality-shattering delusions (trannies, imo, should seriously fall under this category, considering the nature of their mindset) should ackshually be able to acquire and carry a gun like anyone else. I don't think you could reasonably convince most people who aren't extremely niche libertarians without providing an alternative that would address those populations, since it does function as an additional layer of dissuasion à la gun lockers.
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I see people talking about repealing GC68 and how everyone should have access to guns, and I would like to hear how someone with that mindset would want to handle the violent and the insane (outside of having daily shoot-outs with them, preferably).
 
Meursault's gun said:
I'm moving my question here in the hopes for some insight, because I can see that the original thread has devolved into people screeching over each other about how inherently right they are and how inherently retarded everyone else is.

Given the tranny gun news,

I see people talking about repealing GC68 and how everyone should have access to guns, and I would like to hear how someone with that mindset would want to handle the violent and the insane (outside of having daily shoot-outs with them, preferably).
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Sure: the solution to the violent and insane is to remove them from public life entirely. Violent offenders should get long prison sentences, and we should bring back insane asylums to keep the mentally ill away from decent people like we used to. The US has always had firearms. There used to be a time where children would take their .22 rifles to school with them to attend the school organized marksmanship club or go rabbit hunting or target shooting after school got out. Teenagers and teachers would take their hunting rifles and shotguns with them to school and leave them in their cars during hunting seasons. We didn't used to have the violence problems we have now. There are a lot of factors that go into why things have changed, such as the degeneracy of the black community over the decades, allowing people from violent cultures to enter American society, the general decline of morality and values in American culture, the rise of atheism, and the effects of certain drugs on the human brain such as SSRIs. One thing the vast majority of spree shooters all have in common is they were either on, or had recently just stopped taking SSRIs.

The gun violence problem is a complex issue, but everyone wants simple answers to solve it. That just isn't realistic. Answering the gun violence question properly would mean talking about some very sensitive issues, such as certain races being more violent than others, certain cultures being inferior to others, corruption in the health care and pharmaceutical industries, failure in leadership from the Federal and even State and Local governments, cultural breakdown and degeneracy, failure to properly prosecute and punish criminals, the entertainment industry getting rich by promoting crime and violence as not only romantic but GOOD to certain demographics, failure in the education system, and the list goes on.

If you really tried to call out the issues driving gun violence then you would get shouted down for being "racist" and a "Nazi bigot". What really has driven gun violence is progressive policies, such as being soft on crime, the welfare system destroying the black family and removing black fathers from children's lives, desegregation, and the Democrats having control over the education system and news media.

Gun control doesn't work. Just look at any Blue city, such as Chicago. They shift the blame by saying "Those guns all came from Red states!" but a recent report from the ATF shows that's a lie. The vast majority of firearms used to commit crimes and violence in Chicago could all be traced to Illinois purchases.
 
Ughubughughughughughghlug said:
Anti-gun people are literally retarded and should be castrated.
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A little while back I would have thought that you were going a little too far, but the way some of them can be, I'm just going to throw up my hands and say "you know what, I'm done" because it's pretty clear that nothing is getting through to them.

Speaking of castration, they're the kind of people who think that you should get your genitals lopped off because your neighbors have too many kids. That logic seems to apply to everything people like that stand for.

These are the same kinds of dipshits that think a utopian society is possible if everyone thinks just like them. Be thankful that they aren't willing or able to do the work themselves for it.

@The Dude sorry I can't quote your post right now because shitty phone poster here but you definitely bring up some fair points. The gun grabbers themselves either lack any ability to understand complex social issues or they just don't care and simply want to punish those who aren't "just like them."

I find it funny though that many of the same people who want stricter or even zero tolerance measures also want to defund or even abolish the police.

So firearms are basically unlawful yet no law enforcement exists in this scenario. What the fuck do they think is going to happen?
 
Duke Nukem said:
So firearms are basically unlawful yet no law enforcement exists in this scenario. What the fuck do they think is going to happen?
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They want to defund the current police so they can install their own police who will be ideologically lockstep with them. A police force they control, their own private Gestapo. They know what the real factors behind gun violence are, they just don't care. They know gun control won't work, but they don't care. The ultimate goal is disarmament of anyone who could stand in their way of totalitarian control. They want actual fascism where they are the only ones with power and authority, and they want us defenseless and powerless to stop them.
 
The Dude said:
The US has always had firearms. There used to be a time where children would take their .22 rifles to school with them to attend the school organized marksmanship club or go rabbit hunting or target shooting after school got out. Teenagers and teachers would take their hunting rifles and shotguns with them to school and leave them in their cars during hunting seasons.
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This is very interesting to hear as someone who has never experienced anything like that. Any chance you know of any books or documentaries/movies that portray this kind of environment faithfully? I'd love to look into it further.

The Dude said:
the solution to the violent and insane is to remove them from public life entirely
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Suppose the debate would then turn to the mess of redefining what constitutes violence or insanity (and how they are handled) with all of the havoc that bleeding hearts have wreaked upon those terms. I'd guess it has to happen eventually due to the failures of the "rehabilitation > consequences" shtick.

I appreciate the response, very insightful for a non-American.

Duke Nukem said:
The gun grabbers themselves either lack any ability to understand complex social issues or they just don't care and simply want to punish those who aren't "just like them."
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The most frustrating part is that people who are that headstrong are most often over-informed by all of the wrong sources and believe that they are the ones who have transcendent knowledge of social issues :story:
 
Meursault's gun said:
This is very interesting to hear as someone who has never experienced anything like that. Any chance you know of any books or documentaries/movies that portray this kind of environment faithfully? I'd love to look into it further.
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I don't have anything like that to provide for you. It's just anecdotal. I was born just as Gen X was giving way to Millennials, so both my parents are Baby Boomers. I grew up hearing my dad and other adults talk about taking their deer rifles to school with them so they could go hunting after class got out for the day, and it's not too hard to find info about how schools used to have gun safety classes and actual shooting ranges on school grounds or even built into their gymnasium. Some schools had shooting teams like they now have football teams or track and field. This was all common up to the early 1970s or so when violent crime rates started to skyrocket and the hippie generation became old enough to vote. That is when venomously anti-gun progressive politicians started getting into power and began poisoning popular perceptions on civilian gun ownership, and so anti-gun rhetoric began to shoot through the roof. Even up to the 80s you still had rural communities who still taught firearms safety classes in elementary school and had high school kids who would bring their rifles in their cars for deer season, but they were becoming more and more scarce. I'm sure if you did a web search for something like "Shooting ranges in American schools" it will provide you with some resources.

Edit: it does look like some high schools still have shooting teams. Many are just for air rifles, but some still use .22s. And then there is the JROTC which still teaches marksmanship.
 
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It wasn't just guns. I'm Gen X. When I was in Junior High, our shop teacher demanded we have a pocket knife on us at all times. He would randomly stop boys in the hall who were in his class and ask to see our pocket knife. We'd get our grades gigged if we couldn't produce it on demand. Now, carrying a pocket knife onto school grounds is an immediate arrest and expulsion. Where were the stabbings back then?
 
The Dude said:
They want to defund the current police so they can install their own police who will be ideologically lockstep with them. A police force they control, their own private Gestapo. They know what the real factors behind gun violence are, they just don't care. They know gun control won't work, but they don't care. The ultimate goal is disarmament of anyone who could stand in their way of totalitarian control. They want actual fascism where they are the only ones with power and authority, and they want us defenseless and powerless to stop them.
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Do your part to "combat racism!"

Demand that evil capitalist "police" get abolished and be replaced with socialist "militsiya!"

Jokes aside, I kinda figured they'd realize that a vacuum doesn't remain long. They may be midwits but they're not completely retarded when it comes to implementation of their agenda.

It's probably better overall that law enforcement organizations are generally local and not part of some "national police" body like the Philippines has. There's always going to be corruption in any LE group or organization but the PNP is notorious for it.

Personally I would have loved to have actual rifle ranges on campus. I did take a class where I was among the last students to legally use bows and air rifles on campus though.
Meursault's gun said:
The most frustrating part is that people who are that headstrong are most often over-informed by all of the wrong sources and believe that they are the ones who have transcendent knowledge of social issues :story:
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I suppose they didn't get the memo that not everything on the internet is accurate and reliable.
 
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