Gun Control

[Plague Spectrum]

Just ban Assault Weapons they're what causes all the mass shootings. How is this even still an issue?

Because America.

 

[The Iconoclast]

Honestly, people who are so devout about the second amendment should get a Community Watch thread.

 

[Henry Wyatt]

I am a supporter of the second ammendment but I do think there needs to be SOME gun control

I understand owning a pistol for self defense and some rifles for hunting

but when people have military grade weapons thats when I draw the line.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

Obviously they have. You need to take a class to have a conceal carry firearm permit.

Just noticed this comment.

Going to a concealed carry class and passing a written exam isn't the same thing as training with a weapon. Training with a weapon means going to a competent instructor and going through various drills. It also requires practice to cement those drills and actions into muscle memory and automation, so you don't go all fumble fingers when you actually have to do what you need to do.

 

[Caesare]

Going to a concealed carry class and passing a written exam isn't the same thing as training with a weapon.

Yeah, I agree. A chick that bought a handgun to keep in her purse and took the steps to get a concealed carry permit definitely seems like the type of person who'd know a little something about handling a pistol.

 

[UptownRuckus]

If everyone followed the law to a T I'd be okay with banning guns because like...Then we would see people robbing banks with swords and crossbows. But since we live in a world where I follow the law and the bad guy doesn't, I am not trusting that all guns would be gone. I just don't...

 

[Kyria the Great]

For those who want tough gun control in the United States, tough shit, that horse has long since left the barn and is halfway to Phoenix all the way from Illinois. To do an "assault weapon" ban logistically alone would be an extreme nightmare and disasters like Prohibition and The War on Drugs should already be enough explanations of why this is a terrible idea. I also see alot of confusion on what people believe are assault weapons as an assault weapon is capable of burst fire and automatic fire, something that is already extremely difficult and expensive to acquire by legal means. As far as AR-15s go, they are the preferred weapon of the Incel shooter, but banning them at best will taper the murder rate by a mere 4% when it comes to firearm related homicides so the gun death problem doesn't solve itself overnight.

I honestly believe that better background checks and better mental health screenings are needed as these can at least help to not allow crazies to get guns, though on the account of incel shooters they are already socially mal-adjusted fuckheads that will break the law to do what they want so I would prefer there to be armed folks to put them into the dirt if they attempt to take children's lives.

 

[Maxliam]

I am a supporter of the second ammendment but I do think there needs to be SOME gun control

I understand owning a pistol and some rifles for hunting

but when people have military grade weapons thats when I draw the line.

You're not a supporter of the 2nd Amendment, you're a fudd. The 2nd Amendment wasn't about hunting.

 

[Duke Nukem]

You're not a supporter of the 2nd Amendment, you're a fudd. The 2nd Amendment wasn't about hunting.

Not only that, but the Puckle Gun was a repeating firearm from 1715, long before the USA was even an idea. So the technology argument doesn't work. It's like arguing that the 1st Amendment is about protecting speech that's inoffensive. Even Communist China doesn't give a shit about speeches or stories that don't offend anyone.

I'm not pro-gun so much as I am anti-government, so I'm just going to say, even if you don't like guns, which is fine with me, you do have to understand that transferring more power from individuals to the government, especially in a way like this, is a very bad idea.

All you neo-Maoist Tumblrtard dipshits fear Donald Trump turning America into a racist Nazi police state, and you want to give the government MORE power while he's in office? Because that's exactly what you're going to get if you get your way.

 

[Maxliam]

Not only that, but the Puckle Gun was a repeating firearm from 1715, long before the USA was even an idea. So the technology argument doesn't work. It's like arguing that the 1st Amendment is about protecting speech that's inoffensive. Even Communist China doesn't give a shit about speeches or stories that don't offend anyone.

I'm not pro-gun so much as I am anti-government, so I'm just going to say, even if you don't like guns, which is fine with me, you do have to understand that transferring more power from individuals to the government, especially in a way like this, is a very bad idea.

All you neo-Maoist Tumblrtard dipshits fear Donald Trump turning America into a racist Nazi police state, and you want to give the government MORE power while he's in office? Because that's exactly what you're going to get if you get your way.

That's the thing, no matter what may benefit you with the current government imposing restrictions on things, it can always come back later to bite you in the ass. The pendulum swings both ways. That's why I'm a staunch defender of the 1st Amendment. One day the restriction someone wants to impose on "hate speech" can come back to really bite them in the ass.

I'm pro-no monopoly on firepower. Letting the government have one is always going to end badly. Just go to Cambodia and look at the mountains of skulls they have when a bunch of commies killed millions. Or the Holocaust museums we have here in the states. Each one of those camps were filled with people who had been disarmed and then herded like lambs to the slaughter. Just because you think it can't happen doesn't mean it won't.

 

[The Sourdough Region]

My position on gun control is that it's fine where it is, however the current law needs to be actually enforced. It seems like many of the previous mass shootings have at least partially been the fault of some government agency being asleep at the wheel.

I don't think any ban on firearms ownership can ever be viable in the US. We have far too many guns in this country for a buyback scheme to work, and the previous ban on "assault weapons" did fuck all.

 

[Maxliam]

My position on gun control is that it's fine where it is, however the current law needs to be actually enforced. It seems like many of the previous mass shootings have at least partially been the fault of some government agency being asleep at the wheel.

I don't think any ban on firearms ownership can ever be viable in the US. We have far too many guns in this country for a buyback scheme to work, and the previous ban on "assault weapons" did fuck all.

I agree completely. We literally have more guns than people in this country. I myself have over 30 guns in my collection and I know people who own at least one or two guns here in Austin. It's shocking to see even someone who is a pothead "hippie" type who owns a pistol or a shotgun.

I think also things like Fast and Furious where they forced FFL dealers to sell to people that they knew were criminals in order to "track" them was a really stupid idea.

Speaking of the ATF, they admit that there are over 20 million ILLEGAL machine guns out there by their conservative estimate. I imagine there are a lot of illegal NFA items that they can't account for just given how easy it is to saw off a shotgun barrel (really isn't complicated, hacksaw and about 10 minutes of work if you want it to look halfway decent) or build an open-bolt submachine gun. Even a suppressor isn't complicated. It's a tube with baffles in it to hold the muzzle blast and sound from escaping the gun barrel so loudly. You know the muffler on your car? Same guy invented it and the suppressor. Hiram Maxim, the guy who also invented a machine gun used in WWI and II.

The only thing stopping people from openly displaying their illegal items that are really easy to make is that you will go to 10 years of Federal-Pound-Me-In-The-Ass prison.

 

[Joan Nyan]

I am a supporter of the second ammendment but I do think there needs to be SOME gun control

I understand owning a pistol for self defense and some rifles for hunting

but when people have military grade weapons thats when I draw the line.

I'm a member of the United States Militia according to 10 U.S. Code § 246, since I'm an able bodied male between 17 and 45. How can I fulfill my duties as part of a well regulated militia, without military weapons?

 

[Scratch This Nut]

I don't think anyone needs an assault rifle. You don't need one for hunting or self defense, just a regular shotgun would do. They're treated more like accessories and status symbols.

Aside from killing more people in a shorter timespan, what can an assault rifle do that a shotgun can't?

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

I don't think anyone needs an assault rifle. You don't need one for hunting or self defense, just a regular shotgun would do. They're treated more like accessories and status symbols.

Aside from killing more people in a shorter timespan, what can an assault rifle do that a shotgun can't?

Eh, if you're talking about AR-15s then that's not an assault rifle, just a fancy .22 rifle. Family up on the farm had one with a 30 round bannanna clip and used it for varmint hunting.

 

[The Sourdough Region]

I don't think anyone needs an assault rifle. You don't need one for hunting or self defense, just a regular shotgun would do. They're treated more like accessories and status symbols.

Aside from killing more people in a shorter timespan, what can an assault rifle do that a shotgun can't?

It depends on what you consider an assault rifle. If you mean a semi-automatic rifle with detachable magazines, then it's better for particular situations than a shotgun. AR-15's are often used to hunt riskier game such as wild boar and coyotes, where having a lot of fast repeated shots is deadly important.

Also, I don't know about you, but if someone I have never met were to break into my house in the middle of the night, I think I'd feel safer with a big scary rifle.

 

[Maxliam]

I don't think anyone needs an assault rifle. You don't need one for hunting or self defense, just a regular shotgun would do. They're treated more like accessories and status symbols.

Aside from killing more people in a shorter timespan, what can an assault rifle do that a shotgun can't?

Well aside from being a viable means to resist a tyrannical government and self-defense against large group of say rioters/looters, it's actually quite more effective at hog hunting and other pest control needs for farmers, ranchers, and hunters. Hunting hogs is really effective when using a semi-auto rifle with a standard capacity 30 round magazine. They're a pest here in Texas and destroy millions of dollars of crops and are a threat to the environment. There used to be a bounty on them that people made decent money killing them in droves.

Literally open season year round and no bag limit. You can use anything except poison to kill them.

Also Charles Whitman used a bolt-action rifle and killed almost 20 people from his spot in the UT clock tower. If someone is determined to kill, they'll find a way with whatever means possible. McVeigh used fertilizer and a Ryder truck. Notice no one was clamoring to ban any of those things. Yet anyway...I'm wary of anyone advocating more gun control. Their end game seems to be no guns at all out there.

 

[ulsterscotsman]

The Biggest question is why are School/Mass Shootings happening more often now? It's only been in the past 30 years that these thing seem to be happening even with Gun laws in the US getting stricter.

 

[DirkBloodStormKing]

Alright, here are my thoughts on gun control as a staunch leftist:

I fundamentally oppose gun control on principle not only because I strongly support the 2nd Ammendment, but because gun control has been used as a tool for oppression against marginalized groups such as black people and the working class/poor and gun control will be used as a tool for oppressing marginalized groups because that was what it was designed for.

TL;DR Gun control is something that clearly caters to the bourgeoisie and completely fucks over marginalized groups, hence why I am very much opposed to gun control as a staunch leftist.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Alright, here are my thoughts on gun control as a staunch leftist:

I fundamentally oppose gun control on principle not only because I strongly support the 2nd Ammendment, but because gun control has been used as a tool for oppression against marginalized groups such as black people and the working class/poor and gun control will be used as a tool for oppressing marginalized groups because that was what it was designed for.

TL;DR Gun control is something that clearly caters to the bourgeoisie and completely fucks over marginalized groups, hence why I am very much opposed to gun control as a staunch leftist.

Gun control is a racist, sexist, classist, and elitist ideology, and I love the delicious irony of people who claim to be against "isms" and "phobias" supporting that garbage. And thank you for being a reasonable leftist, I know there's not a lot of you left, and that's coming from a guy who escaped a leftist household.