Genshin Impact

[Daddy's Little Kitten]

I've never gotten so many titles in one fight.

 

[Hammr2]

Mama mia, from Geoff Keighley.

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Who the fuck is mini-durin?
And i guess it's on me but for some reason i thought Alice was mona's master but it's barbeloth who is introduced on this quest out of nowhere and leaves. And then hoyo has to gall to never explicitly say that but be cheeky and keep keep mentinioning "my stufdent". It's too late for this!

Since you were a Mona-let for a few years, I understand the misunderstand of Mona's teacher name. Mona's teacher name is in her story page. I don't even remember most of who is who in Herxenzirkel most of the time either.
Consider Albedo's master, Rhine. Her JP voice actor was Atsuko Tanaka, she passed away last year. I guess they have Barbie instead.

I really like the Summer event in Fontaine patch, it was chill, toys character design and quite many references. It also has a secret room referencing the earlier Summer event too.
The gameplay platforming section toward the "evil dragon" Durin was kinda dragging on though. Navia, Nilou, Kirara and Wanderer were the main cast in there. Yes, there were a lot of complaints about Wanderer taking over Albedo's story relevancy, since Wanderer being friends with mini-Durin.

Bunch of references and secret room at the end.

Although, the train part, I'd argue for myself, it was more of reference to Dragon Quest IX name title - Sentinels of starry skies. since the quest title name of the part is They once walked the starry sky.

 

[Noebel]

Albedo says he wasn't a "person"

To be fair, he was a big-ass whopperflower with proclivities for gay-ops and sabotage that tried to make him canceled and attempted to kill a few of his affiliates when shit didn't go as planned. I wouldn't want that thing around either. But what he did to the second whopperflower is even funnier, if I remember that correctly.

i guess it's on me but for some reason i thought Alice was mona's master

Yeah, on you. Mona came to Monstadt to compete with Alices apprentice in casting bad mojo, but it ended up with the fact that only she took all that shit seriously. But, her quest is all the way from 1.x times, so misremembering that isn't unexpected.

Albedo's master, Rhine

Not exactly. Her name is Gold Rhinedottir, meaning she's the daughter of whoever that Rhine dude is. If we go by Wagners Ring, Rhinemaidens were supposed to protect the magic gold that layed on the bottom of the river by acting not unlike modern e-thots. This backfired when they tried that shit on dwarf Alberich, but spilled the secret and he decided to become blackpilled by forsaking love, which was the condition to get the gold. In another notable interpretation of that story he is born based. It is kinda speculated that Odin had something to do with their birth, but it's unclear, since Wagner just imagined them for his fanfic. The only Odin-like figure we know of so far is Piero. Maybe there's someconnection, since both of them are Kanriah-related.

 

[The oxymoronic European]

I really wish that Hoyo added a skip button. Shit like the newest Albedo quest really showcase the complete lack of care they put into it, and if they don't care then why should I? Why am I forced to sit through hours of crap hammering the skip dialogue button for a cutscene I already got the gist of five seconds in?

But no, instead Mihoyo wants to artificially amp up player engagement by forcing them through uninteresting "cutscenes" where nothing of value is said just so they can boast to their shareholders how much playtime the average gaymer puts into the game.

 

[LucasSomething]

In hoyo's defense, they probably thought there was no better solution (there is, it's letting events be replayable but that's too much effort) other than throwing it all in the archon quest as they can't afford to ignore all these plotlines anymore.

This 5.6 archon quest is not an "archon quest", it's an attempt to finally put the lore from 4 different limited event plots across 4 years in the game

-Albedo, durin and Gold/rhinedotir lore in 1.2 event
-Albedo, durin and the clone lore in 2.3 event
-Alice and the hexenzerkiel namedrops in 3.5 event
-Mini-durin lore in 4.8 event

In hindsight, it's insane to think hoyo actually did this and that it took this long to realize it was retarded. Imagine if Topaz, Aventurine, Jade and the entire concept of ICP stonehearts only existed in limited unreplayable event lore and it's only 4.5 years later that they appear all at once in the main story.

And nodkrai story will involve 11 different factions, including 6 (?) new ones, on top of the moon lore. I'm afraid it's either gonna be rushed as hell or a huge mess.

Since you were a Mona-let for a few years, I understand the misunderstand of Mona's teacher name. Mona's teacher name is in her story page. I don't even remember most of who is who in Herxenzirkel most of the time either.
Consider Albedo's master, Rhine. Her JP voice actor was Atsuko Tanaka, she passed away last year. I guess they have Barbie instead.

That's interesting to know and i agree, i only remember Alice because she's klee's mom and was mentioned in previous events. A new player would have little clue about the hexerzirkel which is absurd to think about. I know alice is mentioned in albedo and klee lines but i'm not sure the group name is mentioned in the main story. Imagine exploring 6/7 nations and only now you realize there is a group of very important god witches and traveler knows the founder.

And i must've mandella effected myself because i must have played 4.8 since i have kirara's skin. But didn't see mini durin or remember anything else from the patch, i think i got FOMOed into logging during the final days and getting her skin but not finishing the event.

To be fair, he was a big-ass whopperflower with proclivities for gay-ops and sabotage that tried to make him canceled and attempted to kill a few of his affiliates when shit didn't go as planned. I wouldn't want that thing around either. But what he did to the second whopperflower is even funnier, if I remember that correctly.

No, you're confusing it. There were 2 fake albedos during the event but only 1 was a flower. The other albedo created flowerbedo for the sole purpose of distracting Albedo so he could steal Albedo's chemistry notes.

But here is the thing, this "other albedo" is actually the first Albedo ever created by gold's "primordial human project", but as she made more albedos the first was considered a failure and eaten by durin. This is why he is jealous, because he thinks Albedo "stole everything from him" and now he wants to steal it back.

This was a complex story with a lot of potential. Is otherbedo "human"? If he isn't what makes him less human than albedo? Albedo implies he would do the same in his place so does he relate to him? What will he do with the notes? It felt like it would go somewhere.

But no lol Albedo simply says "he was not a person so he deserved to die and i shot him offscreen.". It's especially weird because mini-durin wants to be human and they have a little talk about "what it means to be human" but no one ever ponders the same for otherbedo.

You can say "I don't know why you expected this from genshin" and i'll say it's because Hoyo already did this story with Scaramouche. A created human who was traumatized over being a 'failure' and becomes evil searching for a "heart" and self worth, but is treated with empathy and is redeemed. Otherbedo tho? He was some mindless monster. Who cares lol.

 

[Fox Girl Enjoyer]

You can say "I don't know why you expected this from genshin" and i'll say it's because Hoyo already did this story with Scaramouche. A created human who was traumatized over being a 'failure' and becomes evil searching for a "heart" and self worth, but is treated with empathy and is redeemed. Otherbedo tho? He was some mindless monster. Who cares lol.

I think its that Hoyo sucks at writing big plots. Once it gets too complex or spans too many factions/people/places it starts to fall apart. The only reason ZZZ works (or worked) is because the plot was localized to one big city. Genshin is the exact opposite so once they have to juggle more than two things it falls apart. Or it could be the original writers bounced and the new guys suck. 2.x did have some good events

 

[Leaf Wage Slave Jr]

And nodkrai story will involve 11 different factions, including 6 (?) new ones, on top of the moon lore. I'm afraid it's either gonna be rushed as hell or a huge mess.

Nodkrai is going to be a clusterfuck, there’s no doubts about it. The question is if it lands in “so bad it’s good” territory, or “Inazuma Archon Quest” territory.

I swear the writing for this game is the most bipolar shit in terms of quality. Fontaine was Great, Natlan was also there, Sumeru was Good, this new area looks to be a mess.

 

[Fox Girl Enjoyer]

Next patch cycle really feels like it exist to just tie all the loose ends they've left, including the areas in Mondstat and Liyue we haven't gotten yet. It is a filler patch cycle if there ever was one

 

[LucasSomething]

I think its that Hoyo sucks at writing big plots. Once it gets too complex or spans too many factions/people/places it starts to fall apart. The only reason ZZZ works (or worked) is because the plot was localized to one big city. Genshin is the exact opposite so once they have to juggle more than two things it falls apart. Or it could be the original writers bounced and the new guys suck. 2.x did have some good events

Which is weird because all Hoyo's games have massive spectacle plots involving dozens of factions. powerful gods, multiple realities/timelines (HI3), planets (HSR), thousands of years (genshin) and their own expanded honkai multiverse.

ZZZ was probably by written by a different team that was given wanted to start super small and figure out as they go. Like they had one fun idea (pocked dimensions appear, badasses go in to farm loot, you guide people there and you're looking for your missing master), they add whatever they like for fun (oni girls? vampires? sharkgirls? furries? idols? everything!) and they write new stuff around feedback.

Altho this kinda backfires as it looks like ZZZ has no long term vision and will pander if necessary. We're going to C H I N A again, Mc is isn't a tv guide anymore, characters can be "voidhunter level" without being voidhunter, etc.

Nodkrai is going to be a clusterfuck, there’s no doubts about it. The question is if it lands in “so bad it’s good” territory, or “Inazuma Archon Quest” territory.

I swear the writing for this game is the most bipolar shit in terms of quality. Fontaine was Great, Natlan was also there, Sumeru was Good, this new area looks to be a mess.

To be fair, all nations had it's own issues post inazuma. Sumeru locked a fuckton of important lore in the library that most people did not read (something the devs admitted), Fontaine had >the prison and natlan was nonstop mavuika glazing and the capitano's fan worst nightmare. But the lows are compensated for good highs and some great characters.

I fear Nodkrai will be hyperconvoluted as we juggle between every faction and dozens of important names. I expect to get 1-2 playable character for every faction and potentially 1 or even 2 harbingers since there is no archon.

 

[Clancee]

Seeing the discussion of Natlan and Nod-Krai got me thinking. Has Hoyo forgotten about the gnoses? Each archon quest has ended with the harbinger coming into possession of the gnosis (which was a big deal), and yet Mavuika still has hers. Unless it's mentioned somewhere she lost it or gave it up.

 

[RhoasJonas]

Seeing the discussion of Natlan and Nod-Krai got me thinking. Has Hoyo forgotten about the gnoses?

The one they sent turned himself into a pickle, theres still time to collect it now we have +1 more year of content to fill.

 

[LucasSomething]

Seeing the discussion of Natlan and Nod-Krai got me thinking. Has Hoyo forgotten about the gnoses? Each archon quest has ended with the harbinger coming into possession of the gnosis (which was a big deal), and yet Mavuika still has hers. Unless it's mentioned somewhere she lost it or gave it up.

Back before natlan started some "leakers" kept insisting columbina (number 4) would appear (she didn't) and when the quest ended some said columbina was gonna appear in 5.6-5.8 and steal the gnosis lol. This lead to the common theory that "surely another harbinger will appear and steal it somehow".

But at this point they might have forgot this plot point or changed plans due to nodkrai coming before scheznaya so they'll figure it out there.

 

[Troon Whisperer]

During the final part of the Natlan archon quest, you can ask Mavuika about the gnosis and she confirms that another harbinger will be dispatched at some point to try and claim it, so it'll probably be dealt with in the future.

 

[Magicat]

Seeing the discussion of Natlan and Nod-Krai got me thinking. Has Hoyo forgotten about the gnoses? Each archon quest has ended with the harbinger coming into possession of the gnosis (which was a big deal), and yet Mavuika still has hers. Unless it's mentioned somewhere she lost it or gave it up.

Spoiler

Capitano requested he be discharged from acquiring Natlan's. Iirc, the Tsaritsa herself approved it and would be sending a different harbinger to take over Capitano's work. I can't remember if it mention who it'd be. We were told Dottore would be in Nod Krai, so it's someone other than him.

Edit. Ninja'd

 

[YumeNoHero]

This interlude quest is so ass I opted to let the cutscene plays out while playing GFL2.
Even after I've played through all past events related to Albedo, there's a limit to how much information about them that I can realistically recall before consulting a wiki, and it's been YEARS since then.
No, scratch that, who the fuck is this little Durin? What is even the point of this quest?
With Natlan archon quest, at least there was an attempt, and this interlude quest feels fuck all was given.
At least they gave me that slutty french chef in 10 from last 5 star so that's something to keep me playing for some time.

 

[Donkey Kongus]

There needs to be at least a chronicle or compendium of the cutscenes for previous events. I started around 3.3-3.4, so I never got to do the '21 or '22 Summer events, which is a shame because I love all of the characters that starred in the '22 one (Xinyan will never be relevant again. Feels bad, bros).
For the new AQ Interlude, if you weren't playing Genshin when the old events happened, they give you the option to look at a "summary" of that event's story. It's nothing more than "X happened, Y did this," an absolute nothingburger. Newer players shouldn't have to look up the cutscenes on YouTube or gloss over Wiki pages for context about stuff happening in the main fucking story.

 

[LucasSomething]

There needs to be at least a chronicle or compendium of the cutscenes for previous events. I started around 3.3-3.4, so I never got to do the '21 or '22 Summer events, which is a shame because I love all of the characters that starred in the '22 one (Xinyan will never be relevant again. Feels bad, bros).
For the new AQ Interlude, if you weren't playing Genshin when the old events happened, they give you the option to look at a "summary" of that event's story. It's nothing more than "X happened, Y did this," an absolute nothingburger. Newer players shouldn't have to look up the cutscenes on YouTube or gloss over Wiki pages for context about stuff happening in the main fucking story.

It only give one prompt to show the summary for albedo's event after the first trial (even if you played it), it does NOT give a prompt to see a summary of mini-durin and 4.8 event at any point. There is no prompt for 1.2 or 3.5 events (hexenzirkel) as there is no summary for them.

I looked online and apparently you have to open the quest menu and look for the "summary of previous story" button that will show albedo event's summary, and after you meet mini-durin, the 4.8 event summary gets secretly added as a there and you must scroll past albedo's event summary to see it (if you played the event you dont get it).

This is somehow the worst of 3 worlds. I didn't even know this was a thing you could do, they only give you the prompt once and 2/4 don't get summaries at all.

 

[Donkey Kongus]

It only give one prompt to show the summary for albedo's event after the first trial (even if you played it), it does NOT give a prompt to see a summary of mini-durin and 4.8 event at any point. There is no prompt for 1.2 or 3.5 events (hexenzirkel) as there is no summary for them.

I looked online and apparently you have to open the quest menu and look for the "summary of previous story" button that will show albedo event's summary, and after you meet mini-durin, the 4.8 event summary gets secretly added as a there and you must scroll past albedo's event summary to see it (if you played the event you dont get it).

This is somehow the worst of 3 worlds. I didn't even know this was a thing you could do, they only give you the prompt once and 2/4 don't get summaries at all.

Wait, really? That's even fucking worse. I beat the AQ the night the patch dropped, and since I played the 4.8 event, that didn't get shown to me. Must've missed it, like you said.

 

[The oxymoronic European]

Snip.

Library lore in Sumeru? Was it actually important, or just some more window dressing?

Also, nearly every other gacha game I've played has had *some* kind of event replay available, at least when it comes to important story related content. It just seems really retarded of Mihoyo to not ever repeat any events just to add more fomo.
Not that it kept me from taking multiple month and year long breaks.

Side note, I've gotten the whole 'Welcome Back!' package around 4-5 times, and every single one of those times I just so *happen* to get a five star weapon or character when I roll for the first time.
Just, awfully coincidental.

 

[LucasSomething]

Wait, really? That's even fucking worse. I beat the AQ the night the patch dropped, and since I played the 4.8 event, that didn't get shown to me. Must've missed it, like you said.

Yeah, it doesn't show regardless if you played or not.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/1kjw2pi/feel_bad_for_new_players_they_wont_ever_get_to/

Genuinely puzzling choice from hoyo. And some people even defend it but thankfully they're getting downvoted.

Library lore in Sumeru? Was it actually important, or just some more window dressing?

I don't remember it well, you can still follow Sumeru main plot but the story involves a bunch of names from sages and gods that are mostly ellaborated in the library books. It also suffers from fake depth by giving every sumeru god 3+ names and 8+ titles, to the point the text has to put one name above the other name/title.

Ah yes, i'm sure you heard of King Deshret aka Amon aka Amun aka Al-Amar aka Lord of deserts aka Red lord aka Asar Sekhem Khepera Kheftiu Tem Ra Horakhty. But did you read his books? I didn't.

nearly every other gacha game I've played has had *some* kind of event replay available, at least when it comes to important story related content. It just seems really retarded of Mihoyo to not ever repeat any events just to add more fomo.
Not that it kept me from taking multiple month and year long breaks.

I'm not sure if hoyo ever gave an explanation why they do this but people excused it back then saying the game is already fucking gigantic (it takes 96 gb on my computer whatthefuck) so past events being deleted to save space "made sense".

The worst part is that Star Rail lets you replay events and i think zzz does too. I guess it's less of an issue there since you don't explore giant landscapes anyway, but genshin has no excuse for smaller events and no excuse to for not giving an actually decent recap.



This is garbage. It doesn't even mention who was there or why the importance of the dragon being named Durin.