General Wrestling Discussion

[Nicholas II of Russia]

How do you get baited from a wrestling script?

To quote the Hulkster himself.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

How dare Raja Jackson steal the limelight from Karrion Kross debuting in GCW.

I smell to the machinations of triple H

 

[The Man With No Name]

Absolutely love how the slam was a very obvious real slam, dude's very clearly knocked out, nigger starts ground n pounding his face, and no one does anything.

Fucking geniuses all around.

I won't blame the other wrestlers or the ref because they would've been told very clearly this is a spot in the match. It would look "legitimate" if they did it well and they had no idea that this guy would lay in punches. It takes about 10 or 15 seconds for shock to wear off for people to realize it was a "shoot".

In an indie like this, the referee is a guy with a striped shirt and does no actual real work. "Ref stoppage" isn't a thing because the referee has no actual authority.

 

[Problematic User Forever]

Raja forgets it's fake and tries to kill a brother for real.

Spoiler: What A Mark

 

[Rudolf's Friend]

So Kidd Bandit, who loves to latch onto pretty much any major indie wrestling controversy to try to act like he's personally affected by it, is now latching on to this controversy by saying that he met the injured wrestler before.

 

[Chernabog3000]

What's really shocking to me is how 4/5 grown men struggled to take down the negro. I know these dudes are not as physically fit as their wwe/aew/tna/etc counterparts. And no where near as capable in a fight as a trained mma fighter. But for fucks sake the response to the negro violence was as fucked as the negro violence.

You could tell immediately that wasn't a work the first couple punches on a very obviously koed man. Buncha grown men standing around watching a dude get beat to a pulp. Jump on the mothefucker. Try something besides watching you colleague get turned into a vegetable. Horrible decisions by everyone involved in this shit.

What's even crazier is when they finally did try to jump dude he still had the upper hand. Theres so many times in these grassroots and smaller showers were someone not in on the shoot gets in the ring and there ain't shit that can happen cause these "promoters" have 0 fucking idea what their doing and the wrestlers are just a bunch washed up bums if they even ever got that far. I get its small potatoes but you'd think theyd have a contingency plan for if some crazy person, wether invited or not to partake went way off script. Something at least that isnt just figure it out in the ring.

I get they dont have lots of money but proper security should be top of the lists for these shows. Even if you have to have an awkward conversation about why the security is paid more than the performers.

Backyard wrestling was more organized than whatever this is.

 

[Belegar Ironhammer]

So anyone have thoughts on Forbidden Door or is this attempted murder a bigger draw with the Kiwi crowd? Here's a link to the pre-show:

 

[dick brain]

This is the second guy I've heard of who was on "The Ultimate Fighter" who nearly murdered someone. What is it about MMA that attracts the biggest dumbest retards as opposed to something like boxing?

Acktually it was Rampage Jackson's son, not Rampage himself.

As for your question I'm speculating but I really think it's because

1. the MMA as a sport is seen as a "superior" martial art to any other sport. Everyone else is seen as a pussy or "not a real martial art" because of rules and regulations or because they couldn't totally take on 50 men in a street fight so there's an ego attached to MMA where real tough guys are actually just MMAfags, none of those pansy bodybuilders or boxers or wrestlers etc.
2. The TUF era of MMA where Rampage and people like War Machine(beat up his ex pornstar gf) whatnot were around was meathead central.
3. In the modern era I really think people like Conor, Jon Jones, Khamzat, Khabib(being a dick to ring girls and interviewers is just really low of him and I've heard rumors of one of his female relatives being threatened by him because of muh honor) and whomever else acting like massive niggers and then constantly getting away with it really influences a lot of MMA practitioners to not only assume they'll get away with it but that they're expected to act that way.
4. less rules and regulations for arguably less base pay so unless you adopt a "got gets mine" mindset you're probably going to get chewed up and spat out having made fuck all money.

Also because (non-Dagestani) mixed martial artists are more likely to have the skillset to actually kill someone rather than throwing one combo and then immediately hugging their opponent and waiting for a ref to step in.

I am no medical expert, but this is probably anger brought on from Anabola Steroid use. Remember kids, doping up really works but they were not lying about the side effects.

Sloppy AI slop below, you have been warned.

Short Answer​

"Roid rage" is not a universal side effect, but it is a real and relatively common phenomenon. It does not affect every user, but studies and anecdotal evidence confirm that a significant minority of anabolic steroid users experience extreme, uncharacteristic aggression and irritability.

1. Significant Minority is Affected: Research suggests that a clinically significant number of users do experience pathological aggression. Studies estimate that:
   
   
   • Roughly 15-20% of steroid users may develop hypomania or manic symptoms (which include irritability, aggression, and grandiosity) during a cycle.
   • An even larger percentage report increased levels of aggression and irritability, even if it doesn't reach the level of a full-blown manic episode.

Now ask it what a reality show is.

 

[whoishomermynameis]

 

[Magic Sun Daddy]

I hate to keep this topic going because it basically amounts to everyone agreeing with each other that this punk deserves the rope, but someone on reddit put together a pretty concise breakdown of Raja's attempted murder that also implicates the promotion for basically giving him the green light to do what he did.

Not only was the 'Spot' with Raja Jackson NOT EVEN SET UP, but Aj Mana, A Wrestler, NOT THE PROMOTER at Knokx, told Raja that he could give Stu a Reciept.​

"I hate making this post, because I have friends who work at Knokx that I'm devastated are feeling the effects of this. But I really need to shine a light on not only the failure of the Promotion to discuss with an outsider a simple run in spot, but Aj Mana and give attention to this fucking idiot who is by far the biggest offender outside of Raja Jackson.

TLDR: RAJA JACKSON WAS FULLY AWARE STU THOUGHT IT WAS A WORK, WAS TOLD BY RENO (the co-owner of Knokx) A SPOT WOULD BE SETUP BETWEEN THE TWO. NO SPOT WAS SETUP THE WHOLE SHOW. AJ MANA THEN PROCEEDED TO TELL RAJA TO GIVE STU A RECIEPT. RAJA JACKSON TOOK THIS AS PERMISSION TO ATTEMPT FIRST DEGREE MURDER.

Not only is it incredibly irresponsible by Knokx to not run through a match with an outsider who just showed up, the fact Aj Mana pulled an MMA fighter aside and told him to actually hurt Stu might be the must disgusting thing leading up to the incident. Receipts are for a worker to a worker, it's insane to ask Raja to do so.

I took it upon myself to watch the whole VOD, and clip everything of importance including the initial beer incident everyone has seen already. Please watch them all and make your own judgement.

The 'Beer' Incident that incited this. Stu thought Raja was a worker because of his camera. He immediately apologizes along with Reno. https://youtu.be/mP_pt7vBVeM?si=EpyYNBdvEgXI5T7Y&t=640

Reno, the co-owner of Knokx, initially tells Raja he'll be having a spot in the match with Stu, and tells his bookers to setup the spot with Raja. https://youtu.be/mP_pt7vBVeM?si=v1Ef4n9O7As046l-&t=784

AJ Mana, who was previously friends with Raja and presumably is the reason Raja is HERE, tells him to give a Receipt back to Stu. https://youtu.be/mP_pt7vBVeM?si=7iB-Cr0pmyNFwb57&t=900

Raja fully understanding the situation, then asking chat what to do to Stu. https://youtu.be/mP_pt7vBVeM?si=HeUNTiCz71XWMT5C&t=1663

Talking with Songkeeper what song to come out too. https://youtu.be/mP_pt7vBVeM?si=jxwQaXDXP4z3JqF7&t=2305

"It's always been my dream to fuck up a pro wrestler for real" https://youtu.be/mP_pt7vBVeM?si=n4kG8intHnlVg96f&t=3641

"im gonna punch his ass for real' "Im not gonna fuck him up too bad" NOONE HAS TALKED TO HIM YET AT THIS POINT. HE STILL THINKS A RECIEPT AS A NON-WORKER IS OKAY https://youtu.be/mP_pt7vBVeM?si=0yOWwIgTxSEHsk62&t=3710

Explaining the situation as it happened, fully aware. https://youtu.be/mP_pt7vBVeM?si=WKCFERXvDi7vVep5&t=3839

gets ask for sub goal. 50 subs to knock him out. https://youtu.be/mP_pt7vBVeM?si=rkra9xhvTGOIkLYa&t=3960

they said i can hit him for real' NOONE HAS TOLD HIM ANYTHING YET STILL. https://youtu.be/mP_pt7vBVeM?si=Zm8ZMHI6WaQhf9B7&t=4084

Discussing with Chat what he should do. The promoters haven't planned anything. https://youtu.be/mP_pt7vBVeM?si=O76FSp-jUVaxiBMb&t=4381

Is told when he's gonna get in the ring. still no discussion on the spot. https://youtu.be/mP_pt7vBVeM?si=U6UAJKwCvA1fiE7p&t=4517

fuck this dude, im not gonna hurt him too bad he was pretty drunk i think. https://youtu.be/mP_pt7vBVeM?si=PWAgyXApXvtVlPJa&t=4602

its not gonna be scripted when i get in there https://youtu.be/mP_pt7vBVeM?si=HX6J_InuvFYiDSvj&t=5221

Talking with timekeeper is muted. There's a chance they could be discussing the spot, but it is not this person's job to even book the match, and wasn't even apart of it, which makes it highly unlikely, that much I can confirm without leaking. https://youtu.be/mP_pt7vBVeM?si=wFfXfUKtfCYg6e7X&t=5606

"They told me to hit him then someone will pull me off him. I'm gonna hit him as many times." https://youtu.be/mP_pt7vBVeM?si=-oSQByc-b9O-tfPR&t=5991

"im not gonna fake it." https://youtu.be/mP_pt7vBVeM?si=2O8kKcrvSgZsTzFG&t=6047

The viral clip after the incident where he's on the phone saying Stu 'Flatlined', is indeed, with AJ Mana. https://youtu.be/69wvOlaK1qE?si=7REDm61YzJaaeUOb&t=640

I'm so disgusted with Aj Mana and the Promotion for letting not only Stu and his family down, but all the guys and girls in the back who were there every week giving everything to the Promotion. I'm heartbroken and hope Stu's recovery is quick."

 

[sarna]

Rampage has been involved in MMA since Pride Japan.

I highly encourage consumers of cultural oddity to read up on the history of the PRIDE promotion, which was one of the most successful sports/pop culture phenomena in Japan during the Y2K era, with a heyday running from about 1999 to 2006 or so. It was a wholly owned subsidiary of Japanese organized crime that sold out 50,000-seat baseball stadiums with insane roid freak gladiator spectacles. The fighter contracts stipulated that the promotion would never drug test anyone. One of the original money men behind the company was found hanging in a hotel room in what is generally considered a coerced suicide. The whole show inevitably collapsed amid massive scandal but it was great fun while it lasted.

 

[Nicholas II of Russia]

I highly encourage consumers of cultural oddity to read up on the history of the PRIDE promotion, which was one of the most successful sports/pop culture phenomena in Japan during the Y2K era, with a heyday running from about 1999 to 2006 or so. It was a wholly owned subsidiary of Japanese organized crime that sold out 50,000-seat baseball stadiums with insane roid freak gladiator spectacles. The fighter contracts stipulated that the promotion would never drug test anyone. One of the original money men behind the company was found hanging in a hotel room in what is generally considered a coerced suicide. The whole show inevitably collapsed amid massive scandal but it was great fun while it lasted.

You can't go wrong with the promotion that gave us the legendary Don Frye vs Takayama match, which I consider the best fight ever produced in a MMA ring.

 

[sarna]

You can't go wrong with the promotion that gave us the legendary Don Frye vs Takayama match, which I consider the best fight ever produced in a MMA ring.

I'm of two minds about Frye/Takayama. On the one hand, it's a glorified hockey fight and one of the two participants is a pro wrestler with no real martial arts training who is being sent out there to die as a sacrifice on the altar of Japan's collective small-man syndrome. On the other hand, OH LAWD TONY SCHIAVONE WE GOT OURSELVES A DONNYBROOK RIGHT HEAH, THEY BE CLUBBERIN WITH ALL FOUR FISTISES.

This is the basic dilemma of PRIDE: by any sane moral standard it's pure evil, but holy shit it's entertaining.

 

[Rick The Stick]

Yeah but like going from MMA fighter to wrestler is like going from Marine to the guy who plays it on tv. Not to disparage wrestling but it’s more choreographed and they’re trained to do it safely. This would be like hiring R Lee Emery for Full Metal Jacket directly after being sniped by the Vietcong.

You're as dumb of a nigger as the Jacksons.

 

[East_Clintwood]

You can't go wrong with the promotion that gave us the legendary Don Frye vs Takayama match, which I consider the best fight ever produced in a MMA ring.

For anyone who's never seen, behold:

Also I didn't know this until I was looking for that clip again, but apparently Takayama fucked up a sunset flip and paralyzed himself a few years ago.

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

Man, with the Jeet trucker and now this nigger having it's nigger moment, this week has been a big advertisement for complete segregation.

White people aren't reproducing and we're obsessed without importing these people from abroad so this is going to get worse and worse until one day we're living in the equivalent of Brazil and South Africa where horrible violence is the everyday norm. The future is incredibly bleak.

 

[Well Intentioned]

I highly encourage consumers of cultural oddity to read up on the history of the PRIDE promotion, which was one of the most successful sports/pop culture phenomena in Japan during the Y2K era, with a heyday running from about 1999 to 2006 or so. It was a wholly owned subsidiary of Japanese organized crime that sold out 50,000-seat baseball stadiums with insane roid freak gladiator spectacles. The fighter contracts stipulated that the promotion would never drug test anyone. One of the original money men behind the company was found hanging in a hotel room in what is generally considered a coerced suicide. The whole show inevitably collapsed amid massive scandal but it was great fun while it lasted.

Napoleon Blownapart on YouTube is a great channel that does MMA documentaries and one of his better ones is on Pride.

 

[FMW13]

I highly encourage consumers of cultural oddity to read up on the history of the PRIDE promotion, which was one of the most successful sports/pop culture phenomena in Japan during the Y2K era, with a heyday running from about 1999 to 2006 or so. It was a wholly owned subsidiary of Japanese organized crime that sold out 50,000-seat baseball stadiums with insane roid freak gladiator spectacles. The fighter contracts stipulated that the promotion would never drug test anyone. One of the original money men behind the company was found hanging in a hotel room in what is generally considered a coerced suicide. The whole show inevitably collapsed amid massive scandal but it was great fun while it lasted.

The vice series on it was really good. A lot of shady shit went down there and no one wants to talk about for obvious reasons with the Yakuza.

 

[Nicholas II of Russia]

I'm of two minds about Frye/Takayama. On the one hand, it's a glorified hockey fight and one of the two participants is a pro wrestler with no real martial arts training who is being sent out there to die as a sacrifice on the altar of Japan's collective small-man syndrome. On the other hand, OH LAWD TONY SCHIAVONE WE GOT OURSELVES A DONNYBROOK RIGHT HEAH, THEY BE CLUBBERIN WITH ALL FOUR FISTISES.

You see, that's the thing, it obviously is hell of irresponsible for letting a pro wrestler be the sacrifical lamb to the MMA guy. But Takayama did gave a hell of a fight, and even with a swollen face he didn't stopped until Frye enforced it on him. That level of determination on going into a losing battle is almost inspiring.

This match was so intense that it made the referee cry, I mean, what can you even say to that? That is the strong type of feeling that a sport should invoke in you. And to me, a traditional fist fight like that is the best show of it. I can't believe that this was an OPENER match either. A slobberknocker for sure.

 

[Magic Sun Daddy]

I highly encourage consumers of cultural oddity to read up on the history of the PRIDE promotion, which was one of the most successful sports/pop culture phenomena in Japan during the Y2K era, with a heyday running from about 1999 to 2006 or so. It was a wholly owned subsidiary of Japanese organized crime that sold out 50,000-seat baseball stadiums with insane roid freak gladiator spectacles. The fighter contracts stipulated that the promotion would never drug test anyone. One of the original money men behind the company was found hanging in a hotel room in what is generally considered a coerced suicide. The whole show inevitably collapsed amid massive scandal but it was great fun while it lasted.

You can't go wrong with the promotion that gave us the legendary Don Frye vs Takayama match, which I consider the best fight ever produced in a MMA ring.

Don't forget about Sapp vs Nogueira. Funny how a clown like Sapp can be involved in one of the most intense and exciting MMA fights of all time. Bob Sapp in general was an anomaly in regards to the ups and downs of his career. Nowadays he's a living meme, but I enjoy explaining to people how the giant dancing roid-monkey with one of the worse records in the history of combat sports was legit one of the most feared MMA fighters in the world at one point in time. Oh yeah, and he also destroyed one of the greatest kickboxers in history, Ernesto Hoost, TWICE.