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Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
It's fine you want Trump to penetrate you, you should hang out in the Thunderdome with your fellow Alaskans in fact. Just don't lie to me and act like a disingenuous dipshit
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You can look at my post history and see just how often I shit on Trump, retard. Your entire pet theory falls apart. I just don't give a shit about Cornette's political opinions. Nobody does, people come to Cornette for his old wrestling knowledge
 
Shipping Steel said:
It's one of those double edged sword ideas, where house shows sharpen you're skills, gives you and your opponent a chance to fine tune your feud by trying new things, a la bands doing gigs and trying new shit, while benefiting their merch sales and keeping themselves within the eyes of the fans. The downside is the bump cards get full faster, higher chances of injuries and burnout. I think there should be one house show a week to give the newer wrestlers in respective companies system to bleed in each companies wrestling ethos, and allowing them to fine tune some of their own moves and feuds.
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That's another thing about the whole bump card and burnouts. It seems that if you ask a majority of old blood that has since retired, their general consensus is that they would love to be able to go again. Most of them don't appear to be happy when their time to retire arrives. They mostly seem to wish they had more time.

If all they do is TV matches, then the TV matches become the house shows. Once a weeks seems like a good compromise for house shows, but it feels like exposure to working is sorely lacking these days. I'm for giving them more opportunities to hone their skills.

They're more likely to miss it either way, but the more they do, the more closure they can have at least. Plus, it'll be more time for truly great talent to rise and it's more time for people to get over on their own.
 
pajeetprideworldwide said:
There's two other reasons for it that I can point out, one is that camera work is now sloppier, I know everybody hates kevin dunn and all the jumpcuts but the more I watch the more I realize that he did so out of necessity to a) hide botches by switching angles, and b) give a heightened sense of movement when things were too slow. Now both are not being done adequately. The second reason is that people are having house show matches on tv, by which I mean, there are moves that will look great from a distance but when you can look at them closely in high definition you'll realise how awful they really are. WWE suffers from the first and sometimes the second, AEW more so from the second, that's pretty much their style of wrestling I would say.
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Bringing up Dunn, I remember the post-WM40 Raw having very distinct and experimental camera work (specifically for backstage segments). I miss that; it looked like they had something figured out. It's odd that they halted it and it was almost like a completely different entity was in charge of production for that night.

Dunn was fine at what he did. Of all the things WWE had problems with over the years, the one thing I've always heard they did very well was the production.

As for moves? Idk it's tiresome seeing guys kick out of 10 Canadian Destroyers but then an underwhelming finisher was enough to get a 3 count. Scripting is off and house shows could fix with that.

Speaking of 3 counts, I'm pretty sure I've seen more refs make blatant 3 counts and call them at 2 in the last 2 years than I ever did from 05-15. Could be overexposure, could be all the good refs are gone. I don't know, but if they can't kick out at 3, booking be damned, call the match there. Respect kayfabe, don't expose the business. Everyone knows it's a work, but people still get immersed, and they want rules to be followed. Be it the rules of the ring or the laws of physics in general lol.
 
THE STRESS said:
It seems that if you ask a majority of old blood that has since retired, their general consensus is that they would love to be able to go again. Most of them don't appear to be happy when their time to retire arrives. They mostly seem to wish they had more time.
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If you're talking about the really old guys they want to keep going because of the ego/money. Depends on what era you're talking about in that regard.
THE STRESS said:
As for moves? Idk it's tiresome seeing guys kick out of 10 Canadian Destroyers but then an underwhelming finisher was enough to get a 3 count
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Finishers become underwhelming because of the finisher spam shit, I see it as a matter of just needing to power through and actually turning them into a serious finisher by actually letting them win with it.
THE STRESS said:
Respect kayfabe, don't expose the business
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A little late for that, it's overexposed to high hell, between the gay social media "feuds", insider term usage by everyone including announcers (fucking Konnan on Worlds Collide lmao)
 
THE STRESS said:
As for moves? Idk it's tiresome seeing guys kick out of 10 Canadian Destroyers but then an underwhelming finisher was enough to get a 3 count. Scripting is off and house shows could fix with that.
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There’s a reason why I somewhat respect Kenny Omega - he’s kept the One Winged Angel protected.

Unless somethings changed since I stopped watching AEW, the only times the OWA hasn’t been a One and Done has been because whoever he hit had their hand under the ropes for a break.

More people need to protect their Finishers. It’s telling that the two other most protected moves I can think of are Orton’s Punt and the goddamn Cobra.
 
Solomon Bundy said:
I loved Bryan, but Miz was proven right by time. Smart wrestlers don't pander to smart crowds. They perform for everyone. Bryan's career ended in an embarrassing manner, his last "storyline" being worked shoot nonsense wherein he flops like a fish after being pinned to tease a neck injury (oh yeah, and he lost it to Mox during this never-ending Death Riders thing that will go down in history for the wrong reasons). I mean, I'm not a Miz fan, and I was firmly in Bryan's corner during that whole Talking Smack segment, but Bryan had nothing to say to the Bingo Hall comment... and then Bryan proved Miz right. He went back to the Bingo Hall with his friends, and he played to the smark crowd. Miz went back to the major leagues and performed for the worldwide audience.
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I have a lot of respect for Miz. He's incredibly smart to the business and knows exactly how to operate within his niche.
 
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
I have a lot of respect for Miz. He's incredibly smart to the business and knows exactly how to operate within his niche.
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I can't stand him in a "I want to punch his face" way and can't believe he was ever a babyface given how much of a douche he is, but he's a very smart worker. Doesn't do unnecessary dangerous shit. Pretty good promo. Keeps himself relevant and does everything he can to get more money from the business (like that retarded reality show)
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
I can't stand him in a "I want to punch his face" way and can't believe he was ever a babyface given how much of a douche he is, but he's a very smart worker. Doesn't do unnecessary dangerous shit. Pretty good promo. Keeps himself relevant and does everything he can to get more money from the business (like that retarded reality show)
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Jake Paul is very much cut from the same cloth. Both of them are amazing at being heel douches without it seeming that theyre obviously trying to be dickheads. Natural dickheads.

BONECRUSHER said:
That's not really the issue with Cornette. The issue with Cornette is that he has to fucking sperg out about it every five fucking minutes even when the subject isn't relevant to the conversation at hand, hate the man but jesus fucking christ shut the fuck up about it. How many times do you need to rehash the same rant about him? And by you I mean Cornette
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He's also blissfully unaware that the type of liberal he is is an endangered species and he's lucky he's in one of the few fields that still skews a bit more conservative because he would have been cancelled by the mob ages ago otherwise.
 
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BONECRUSHER said:
A little late for that, it's overexposed to high hell, between the gay social media "feuds", insider term usage by everyone including announcers (fucking Konnan on Worlds Collide lmao)
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It's never too late. In the words of Terry Funk, "I can't make them think wrestling's real, but I can make them think I'm real."

Dirt sheets be damned they can't convince me David Schultz wasn't a bad hombre. I think the best way to deal with them is to do what they did with R-Truth. Work or shoot, they said Truth was gone and not coming back so when he came back, they looked like idiots lol.
Leaf Wage Slave Jr said:
There’s a reason why I somewhat respect Kenny Omega - he’s kept the One Winged Angel protected.

Unless somethings changed since I stopped watching AEW, the only times the OWA hasn’t been a One and Done has been because whoever he hit had their hand under the ropes for a break.

More people need to protect their Finishers. It’s telling that the two other most protected moves I can think of are Orton’s Punt and the goddamn Cobra.
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I agree with this too. I remember one* of the Rock vs Cena matches being mostly just Rock Bottoms and AAs and it was the worst match ever.

As much flack as I give AEW, they did host some outstanding matches over the years. I remember MJF and Adam Cole's match at All In about 2 years ago being a lot of fun so it can still be done. The question becomes "how do you make people care?" There's a lot of different ways to make it happen, but it all remains possible.

I feel that the most memorable things in pro wrestling aren't the big spots, but the little things wrestlers do to pantomime emotion or calls. Foley being a special guest referee years ago with Edge telling him "you were this close 🤏" after a close 3 count, Batista returning in 2014 to a wave of boos and him just saying "Okay...okay" the night after he won the Royal Rumble in 2014, etc. etc.
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
But Tony Khantana books Sammy Guevara as a face
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The man is a living wojack

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James X Maxwell said:
Remember that time he booked Ring of Honor and tried pushing people like Micheal Elgin and Davey Richards over Steen and Generico
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I can get him not wanting to push a schlubby, immature, undisciplined, asshole in the case of Owens
 
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apparently some wrestling engagement farming account made this meme, from what I understand its based off an NFL meme comparing a bad white player to a good black player. if I were a wrestler id just stay off that shit honestly
 
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