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Coconut Gun said:
How's Bryan Danielson doing nowadays? Too lazy and not interested in AEW enough to watch him there.
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Because he dared upstage Kenny, he's now in exile to a containment group with Wheeler Yuta and John Moxley, with the same sort of sop that FTR got while the Bucks were fucking them over, where Tony basically is paying William Regal to basically hang out with them to distract both Bryan and Moxley of the fact that Kenny is so fucking threatened by them ruining his plans to keep the belt on Hangman Page (who only has the belt to keep it warm for Kenny upon his return) and off people that the fans actually fucking give a shit about, that he's put them in a containment group as far as being the new Pinnacle farce.
 
Dang Woodchucks! said:
It really seems Kevin and Scott were really chill dudes in the back, all things considered. Other than the "vanilla midgets" comment and the fingerpoke, I don't think anyone had anything horrible to say about Kevin.
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Shane Douglas hated the kliq and even he said Kev was a nice guy and could shoot the shit with him about stuff.
Slight PL but I actually got my photo took with Hall and Nash at a con and they both were absolute units! I thought I was tall until I stood next to these two. I shook Scott's hand then turned around to shake Kev's but because hes so tall I accidentally ball slapped him, I thought awww no man this cunts gonna leather me lmao, sweating like edward scissorhands when he has to go for a piss during that photo
 
OJ Simpson said:
Well, I just tuned into Raw for the first time in probably about 15 years or so and really all I have to say is: ? what the fuck???

Maybe I'm holding it to too high a standard coming from better days but this is dogshit. I won't even start typing out my grievances because I'm sure you all already know what the problems are. And my friend swears up and down that Smackdown is the only 1 of the 2 WWE main shows worth tuning into, and swears up and down that AEW beats both. I have my doubts but I'm gonna tune in Wednesday to see what they're serving up over there. I really wanted to get back into wrestling by getting into NJPW but fuck me is it confusing when I check their schedule.

Does WWE save their better matches for ppv's or something? And it isn't just the trash, overly-rehearsed/scripted matches themselves... how. many. fucking. promos. need to get cut?
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Wrestling has steered hard into having less fans, but having more content to target specific fans.

WWE bizarrely seemingly tries to appeal to both the kind of person who would dress up and go to a comic con and senior citizens at the same time. Most of their TV viewers are 50+ and are just watching because they have always watched it. So all the young wrestlers come out in elaborate costumes, striking cringey poses, and then occasionally a star from 25 years ago like Goldberg will come out and wreck all their shit to make the seniors watching cum.

AEW tries to appeal to workrate marks and people who miss the Monday Night Wars era. It feels like the first hour of Nitro stretched to a two hour show with ridiculous spot fests thrown in. Think WCW with the top third of the card chopped off updated for a modern audience. They have a few stars from the late 90s and early 2000s peppered throughout the card like Jericho, The Hardys and Sting. The big difference from how WWE uses the older stars is in AEW they are regular members of the roster, whereas in WWE they are untouchable supermen.

MLW is similar in structure to early 90s wrestling with lucha thrown in. I haven't watched it in a couple years though.

NWA exists to appeal to fans of 80s NWA shit.

Impact is kind of its own thing. The thing impact resembles most is TNA from 15 years ago, I guess.

I'm not saying these promotions are 1:1 recreations of those eras, that's just what I think they resemble.

So for example, if your idea of the good old days is early 1990s WWF Superstars, you will probably legit like MLW more than AEW.

If what you miss are giant, larger than life characters with broad appeal who ooze charisma like Hulk Hogan and Steve Austin, you aren't going to find them anywhere, unfortunately. Nobody has stars like that anymore. The anarchy required in the industry to create them no longer exists.
 
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Never Scored said:
Wrestling has steered hard into having less fans, but having more content to target specific fans.

WWE bizarrely seemingly tries to appeal to both the kind of person who would dress up and go to a comic con and senior citizens at the same time. Most of their TV viewers are 50+ and are just watching because they have always watched it. So all the young wrestlers come out in elaborate costumes, striking cringey poses, and then occasionally a star from 25 years ago like Goldberg will come out and wreck all their shit to make the seniors watching cum.

AEW tries to appeal to workrate marks and people who miss the Monday Night Wars era. It feels like the first hour of Nitro stretched to a two hour show with ridiculous spot fests thrown in. Think WCW with the top third of the card chopped off updated for a modern audience. They have a few stars from the late 90s and early 2000s peppered throughout the card like Jericho, The Hardys and Sting. The big difference from how WWE uses the older stars is in AEW they are regular members of the roster, whereas in WWE they are untouchable supermen.

MLW is similar in structure to early 90s wrestling with lucha thrown in. I haven't watched it in a couple years though.

NWA exists to appeal to fans of 80s NWA shit.

Impact is kind of its own thing. The thing impact resembles most is TNA from 15 years ago, I guess.

I'm not saying these promotions are 1:1 recreations of those eras, that's just what I think they resemble.

So for example, if your idea of the good old days is early 1990s WWF Superstars, you will probably legit like MLW more than AEW.

If what you miss are giant, larger than life characters with broad appeal who ooze charisma like Hulk Hogan and Steve Austin, you aren't going to find them anywhere, unfortunately. Nobody has stars like that anymore. The anarchy required in the industry to create them no longer exists.
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I'm not even sure myself what I'm looking for but it wasn't what Raw was serving up cold and moldy last night that's for sure. I come from the Monday Night Wars and stayed around until 2005 when I just completely gave it all up. I'm sure I loosely followed afterwards but not nearly to the extent I did beforehand. I was big into ECW too until that died. The good one, not the abomination that was WWE's version. I tuned out the moment "The Zombie" came out and knew they were mocking it all and never looked back.

But I always did appreciate the New Generation era even if I wasn't really able to catch it in its heyday, and if I did I was too young to remember it. I do remember having some In Your House vhs though that I think was some compilation. Whatever it was I think it had a Savio Vega strap match on it. I think I might have caught the tail end of it all. And I remember watching Vader on Boy Meets World and I knew he was Vader so I'm sure I was watching in some capacity.

But anyways, I'm not really looking for anything resembling the Attitude Era because that was just the perfect storm, never to be recreated. I suppose I just want a promotion that puts on good matches where they actually take believable bumps and can sell a move worth a damn, and it isn't overly-choreographed. Decent storylines that you can get invested in, and somewhere where the gold still has some prestige and meaning to it and it's a big deal to have it around your waist. Just basic bitch shit really that your run-of-the-mill mark might look for. One of my biggest gripes watching Raw last night was I got the vibe that the entire match, every match, was predicated on and centered around shitty spots. I mean ECW matches were pretty much a spot fest too, but the matches themselves were still pretty good, to me at least.

I've seen complaints that AEW matches are overly-choreographed too, something about The Young Bucks? But like I said I guess I'll see tomorrow. I'm at least willing to give them a shot, because surely they can't put on a worse show than what I saw on Raw and will probably see on Smackdown... surely.

MLW sounds interesting from what you described, I'm going to give them a look. 👍

To touch on your first paragraph too as an aside, I was wondering what the fuck the Bargain Bin Ultimate Warrior was all about. Then of course he just gets beat up. Also, I was shocked that there were about 3 or 4 dq's and about 2 or 3 squash matches. The fuck was that all about? Is this a regular occurrence? How they haven't figured out that a 3 hour time slot only hinders their product and compels them to do stupid shit like this to fill up segments is beyond my intellect I guess. The advertisement money must be too good to turn down at the risk of shitting out a subpar product week in, week out.
 
Never Scored said:
It really depends on who's wrestling, but yes, the Young Bucks and most people in their circle overly-choregraph their matches and tend to not sell shit.
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To be honest Omega has a excuse because of the neck from hell, but I won't mind someone buck breaking the Young Bucks.
 
Never Scored said:
I'm going to go ahead and call magically summoning the power to do a flawless Meltzer driver after getting dropped on your back and overselling it for the four minutes before not selling.
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But then that head injury will be with them for months. I think Nick or Matts leg has been an issue since 2013. Back has been an issue since like 2017
 
OJ Simpson said:
Decent storylines that you can get invested in, and somewhere where the gold still has some prestige and meaning to it and it's a big deal to have it around your waist.
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NJPW fits that until House of Torture fucks things up lol. Its gotten better this past couple months Wrestling Dontaku 2022 was legit a great show but the damn clapfest the crowd is doing means that it will probably be going on for the next year or so(why?)
 
irishAzoth said:
NJPW fits that until House of Torture fucks things up lol. Its gotten better this past couple months Wrestling Dontaku 2022 was legit a great show but the damn clapfest the crowd is doing means that it will probably be going on for the next year or so(why?)
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Bro I don't even know where to start with NJPW but it's the promotion I want to watch the most. My funco-pop collecting friend tells me that getting into it at a time like now (way before or long after Wrestle Kingdom) is like getting into a long anime halfway through so it's confusing to keep up with. But idgaf I know this is where the good stuff is. And I don't watch anime so I don't get the reference. They're both Japanese? *shrug*

I need a rundown of where and how to start and where and how to watch.

I check their website for schedules and it just confuses me further lol. I'm used to the standard structure of 1-2 main shows per week, followed by a ppv to end the month. I look at the schedule and see shows like every other day, shows with AEW, shows with Japanese and English/Japanese only commentary, events that look like ppv's but they look like they're often. Idk man but I need help. I guess the best question to ask is: is there a weekly main show? That would probably be a good starting point to work from.
 
irishAzoth said:
NJPW fits that until House of Torture fucks things up lol. Its gotten better this past couple months Wrestling Dontaku 2022 was legit a great show but the damn clapfest the crowd is doing means that it will probably be going on for the next year or so(why?)
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COVID restrictions mean that the crowd is not allowed to cheer.

Edit: I'm not sure if this came off as a joke or not. I mean this literally.
 
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GCW might actually fit the vibe you're looking for @OJ Simpson .

It's got the feel of the old ECW, with some deathmatch shit, some good lucha, a crowd that is very vocal and women that can't wrestle (fuck Allie Katch).

EDIT: Since Joey Janella came back to the company he's been THE heel of the promotion you want to see get his shit rocked very much like Shane Douglas.
 
Well here's hoping NJPW doesn't sue him for defamation there. They have some very interesting laws regarding that.
 
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