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How autistic are you? Can't you grasp that someone might be a faggot and might not molest children and might be tired of it being assumed they molest children because they're a faggot and want to distance themselves, specifically, from the child molesters who have appropriated their identity?
46% of gay men where molested by an adult man during their childhood.

 
How do you stand up to this whole phenomenon without getting ostracized by the entire community? I mean, in a community where things like cringing when someone parrots LGBTQ stuff, or disagrees even a little with the tranny agenda, will not get you ostricized instantly?

Say, if a tranny janny is outright disgusting and vile to other people, but they take it because they're trannies, what do you do? If you stand up to them they can claim innocent and cry about being harassed by whatever higher authorities, and they will take their side no matter what.

Feels like doing anything other than saying "wow you are so brave for being a disgusting sex pervert and being vile to women" will have everyone pile up on you.
Abandon these communities. They can enjoy their echo chambers once everybody with any sanity remaining leaves.
 
How do you stand up to this whole phenomenon without getting ostracized by the entire community?
Film yourself wearing an towel over your head and use an voice modulator or something.
I mean, in a community where things like cringing when someone parrots LGBTQ stuff, or disagrees even a little with the tranny agenda, will not get you ostricized instantly?
Or just learn how to either speak in half-truths or just ride out the rainbow insanity.
 
A big kudos for American Thinker to write that article about the transgender lie.
November 26, 2022

The 'Transgender' Lie: How We Got Here​

By Trevor Thomas

In The American Conservative recently — in a piece entitled "The Coming Storm over Trans 'Tuskegee Experiment'" — Rod Dreher highlights a telling Twitter thread that reveals the tremendous angst and anger of a dad whose daughter's life is now a "living nightmare" due to the "demonic barbarity" of those behind the evil "transgender" agenda. In describing his daughter's tragic mutilation, the father rightly declares,
We all know trans is a lie. Scientific American, the AMA, the pediatricians, none of them have even a fig leaf of an excuse. They will come to us for a do-over, but for the victims of their demonic barbarity, there will be no do-over and we will all be able to see that.​
 
we just need to create a 'troontown', designate some shit hole town as a trans-friendly safe-space with NO MIRRORS and lots of dress shops and free bondage gear. the inevitable exodus to this oasis will create a containment zone where people can freely troon out and end their genetic lineage in peace and harmony.

they'll have no need for discord, so grooming will naturally end, and the initial flood of troontown residents will gradually reduce to a trickle and will fizzle out in a generation or so.

i'm thinking a franchise model here. fagtown anybody? it just needs a bit of blue sky thinking folx
 
The guys of American Thinker posted an other good rant about the transgenders. https://www.americanthinker.com/art...ender_industry_targets_victims_of_autism.html

December 5, 2022

How the Transgender Industry Targets Victims of Autism​

By Patty Knap

Few things are stunning these days, but it was alarming to learn of the the autism link in the drastic increase in transgenderism.
As the mother of a young adult son with autism (high functioning), I had no idea what autism could possibly have with wanting to "become" (or think one has become) the opposite gender.
The vulnerabilities of people with autism that place them at great risk of being considered for "gender reassignment surgery" include "otherness," feeling different -- that they don't quite fit in -- not understanding social cues and not quite connecting with people, feeling less empathy. All make them different. As with many teenagers, those with autism often seek affirmation, identity, and attention, and changing one's entire "identity" is now a popular way to obtain it.

New research by Dr. Steve Stagg published in European Psychiatry found that "14% of the transgender and non-binary group had a diagnosis of autism, while a further 28% of this group reached the cut-off point for an autism diagnosis, suggesting a high number of potentially undiagnosed individuals. These figures were primarily driven by high-scoring" females, supporting evidence of a large population of undiagnosed women with an autism spectrum disorder. Autism in the general community is estimated to be no more than 4%, so 14% is significant. "The authors also found higher levels of systematizing (a tendency to analyze, control and use rule-based systems) and lower levels of empathy among the transgender and non-binary group, characteristics often found in individuals with an autism spectrum disorder."
 
How many SJWs identify as "transgender"?

And are any who identify as "transgender" not SJWs?
 
A big kudos for American Thinker to write that article about the transgender lie.

I generally keep my power level regarding transgender issues outside of the Kiwi Farms because 1) I'm not stupid and I like to have a gainful employment and 2) Presenting as neutral allows me to keep track of what people think without being reactive to my opinions.

My general opinion is that this is an incredible double edged damage to LGBT rights.

Talking to the most normie tier people, the average joe who would just believe anything the TV tells them and generally fetishize left wing ideas as the ideas of intelligent, sophisticated people they make apparent to which extent TRAs are piggybacking on LGB talking points. From this people you will encounter the "They're born this way" argument, the "It's better to have a troon kid than a dead kid" argument, the "There is the same amount of trans people now that there has always been, you are only seeing more because people aren't scared anymore to admit it" argument, etc.

Of course, the idea that prior to circa 2010 there were trans people everywhere that were born this way and they were presenting as the gender they were "assigned" with no issue would put a big question mark on the whole thing's reality, as, unlike gay people, who despite the best efforts of some of them, you wouldn't have a reason to know they're gay unless you're watching them fuck, you would think somebody who feels they're the opposite gender, or another gender altogether, would be somewhat visible in many ways, but yet transgender people were extremely fringe before 2010 and those "closeted" cases stealth to mainstream society were nothing but old-fashioned straight fetishists. What a surprise!

But we are also told that people were constantly killing themselves, so one would think 20 years ago every tree would look like a Christmas tree with trans decorations, but there are many reasons why this isn't obviously the case.

For this sort of people, usually middle class women and soy-filled apologetic straight men allies, troons are but an extension of homosexuality. They don't understand the difference between a gay man and a MTF troon. In fact, they struggle with the idea of a masculine man. For handmaidens, no gay man is a real man and they might as well be all on the brink of trooning out.

For this sort of people, FTMs, on the other hand, tend to be laughable and not-real-anything. Because they all seem to be under some vague feminist idea that they're recruiting people for woman power.

The LGBs who still support Trans Rights are doing it out of self interest. They're in fear of drawing a line, well aware that many people would draw a line that excludes them. This is why many LGBs have a "Everything should be allowed" mentality.

Granted, all the straight people who support Trans Rights are just doing so over a perceived moral majority and if that perceived moral majority changes, they will trash all LGBT, because they don't see any difference between any of them. They all go together and activists have made damn sure of it.

Across the increasingly popular TERF/Gender Critical crowd I keep encountering, there are basically conservatives, liberal women and LGBs.

Conservatives oppose it because, duh, they're conservatives.

Liberal women are starting increasingly opposing this for all the reasons that there is no point in mentioning because J.K. Rowling and a whole bunch of liberal women users in this very website have made abundantly clear.

LGBs opposing it are basically Ls, their motivations need also not explanation because there are a bunch of them in this forum who have made their positions very clearly.

A very small portion of GBs are being vocal about drawing the line because they know that the "everything should be allowed" won't go anymore and they want to be able to draw a line here and now and save achievements for LGBs before somebody else, namely the straights, decide to draw a line and they draw a line that excludes LGBs.

Which they realise will happen if LGBs aren't more active in shaping the narrative, as Ts arguments are so intertwined with LGBs arguments that going against Ts will have LGBs as a casualty despite the interests of Ts being now clear to oppose the interests of LGBs. You have the activists to thank for this mess.

TL; DR

1- As many other ideologies, if not all, the fate of this particular ideology is on the hands of women. It will exist for as much as women want it to exist.

2- Despite women being typically trend followers and not trend establishers, in what regards to troons female public opinion is divided. A sizable amount of women don't like troons, and they are probably way more than the women that are being vocal about it.

3- Once the amount of women that are gender critical reaches, uh, critical mass, Trans Rights Activism, and by extension the whole LGBT, is dead. All women who are currently supporting Trans Rights Activism are fully expected to drop it immediately if that happens.

4- Ls are at the front of this war as their spaces have been aggressively invaded and they have been grossly harassed and then told to swallow it up.

5- Most GBs are trying to save face. Either by keeping troons because if troons go down they go down or by trying to drop troons so that they are allowed into polite society.

6- Men are noticeably absent from this debate. Only soy filled men and a certain kind of gay man appear to have an interest in this debate.

7- Bonus: The lawsuits are coming, and lots of screeching and lulz will be had.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk
 
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It really doesn't affect me and, if it makes them happy, who am I to step in the way of that? I understand why some may disagree with it but I, personally, disagree with the points that it is sexual in nature or an attempt to push women from spaces and arguments against it that way. Am I sure people can abuse that but, overall, I think that for any group of people. There's good cops and bad cops, good pet owners and bad pet owners and on. It's on the individual to be a moral person, not the group. It's too high of a bar and individuals shouldn't suffer for the majority. Also, I just don't think transwomen actually beat out cis women in sports as much as we think, or, at least, it isn't impossible for them to be beat. Them being trans shouldn't downplay personal talent. I also always respect pronouns because it isn't that deep. You wanna be she/they, good for you, I'll try. I suppose I just have more important things to worry about.
 
Being trans is a sin against God, but Christ forgives all repentant sinners.

Per Catholic Church Doctrine for a repentant trans to be welcomed back into the community, and more importantly for them to receive Holy Communion, they must return to living life as their birth sex.

However, and this is particularly interesting to me, if they've undergone any surgical procedures there is not a requirement that they have them reversed.

Unfortunately rogue Parishes, the Germans, the Irish, and an increasing percentage of Protestants do not adhere to this doctrine as they've let secular values and societal standards take precedent over God.

That aside, the question remains: would a Catholic community truly be able to accept a hypothetical repentant trans who is trying to live as a man but still has fake breasts and no dick?

It would certainly test their collective ability to practice forgiveness.
 
Being trans is a sin against God, but Christ forgives all repentant sinners.

Per Catholic Church Doctrine for a repentant trans to be welcomed back into the community, and more importantly for them to receive Holy Communion, they must return to living life as their birth sex.

However, and this is particularly interesting to me, if they've undergone any surgical procedures there is not a requirement that they have them reversed.

Unfortunately rogue Parishes, the Germans, the Irish, and an increasing percentage of Protestants do not adhere to this doctrine as they've let secular values and societal standards take precedent over God.

That aside, the question remains: would a Catholic community truly be able to accept a hypothetical repentant trans who is trying to live as a man but still has fake breasts and no dick?

It would certainly test their collective ability to practice forgiveness.
Deuteronomy 23:1 said:
He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
 
Deuteronomy 23:1 is a good citation, but its still Old Testament. Therefore many of its rule and laws need to be seen through the lens of Christ and the New Testament. As the Church puts it, the blessings and threats of Old Testament law, like Deuteronomy, do apply to us based on whether or not we follow the teachings of Jesus the Messiah as opposed to following its written rules.
 
The guys of American Thinker posted an other good rant about the transgenders.
I've heard the woke hot take that it's an "undeniable reality" that "gender is a social construct". Of course the Current Year idea of "gender identity" is a "social construct" - a SJW-made "social construct" that is - but how can the woke cult deny the biological reality that the sexes are different, both physically and mentally?
 
However, and this is particularly interesting to me, if they've undergone any surgical procedures there is not a requirement that they have them reversed.
If mutilating your body is a sin in the first place, why would mutilating it even more fix that? Because they can't reverse the damage of the first mutilation in any event.
I've heard the woke hot take that it's an "undeniable reality" that "gender is a social construct". Of course the Current Year idea of "gender identity" is a "social construct" - a SJW-made "social construct" that is - but how can the woke cult deny the biological reality that the sexes are different, both physically and mentally?
Well, it is because the whole term "gender" (outside of language) was literally invented to mean the social construct of gender roles. So it's completely tautological to say that because that's how they defined the made up word in the first place.
 
It really doesn't affect me and, if it makes them happy, who am I to step in the way of that?
I think this is a good theory in practice - but of late, this "happiness" has increasingly required other people being made unhappy, or fearful.

There is algo a giant component of activism which uses violent imagery of killing and maiming TERFs - and anyone who is slightly critical is a TERF.

I understand why some may disagree with it but I, personally, disagree with the points that it is sexual in nature or an attempt to push women from spaces and arguments against it that way.
If you read the Tranny Sideshow thread, which is a massive catalogue of troons openly discussing their motivations, a lot of the transgender urge is very much sex-drive driven, with "gender euphoria" being the euphamism for having an orgasm after female clothes are worn and female spaces are entered into - usually in ways that are aggressively performative.

Am I sure people can abuse that but, overall, I think that for any group of people. There's good cops and bad cops, good pet owners and bad pet owners and on. It's on the individual to be a moral person, not the group.
To be a moral person often requires some kind of pressure to act in a moral way. Anyone (most oftenwomen) who disagrees with certain actions that trans people are doing (displaying genitalia to children for example, over sexualized speech in child friendly areas, entering DV shelters, wanting to hold on to tampons "in case someone asks for one in the toilet") are labeled TERFs and subject to violet rhetoric. Its getting worse and worse.

It's too high of a bar and individuals shouldn't suffer for the majority. Also, I just don't think transwomen actually beat out cis women in sports as much as we think, or, at least, it isn't impossible for them to be beat.
The moment China realises it can troon out their male athletes a week before the Olympics and enter them into the female competitions will be the end of this line of thinking.

Biggest problem I see with this is that it continues the faggot's zealous requirement to be acknowledged and known by who they choose to have sex with.

They can't just say "We're against Child Grooming" they gotta come out and make it a big deal that they're gay while doing it. Faggots don't seem to understand that the the real, tangible difference between heterosexuals and their deviant asses, is that no heterosexual focused organization would call itself something retarded like "Straight Men and Women against Grooming." unless it was specifically running contrary to a preexisting LGBT movement.

When normal people are against Grooming, its just called not being a fucking pedophile, but the fags need to have recognition of their faggotry.
Although to be fair, if normies decry this grooming behaviour its because they are homophobes and terfs(TM) and can be ignored as such....

But if the GAYS, a brotherly member of the Alphabet Army comes out and says that "no your degeneracy has gone too far", then it just hits different. Troons can't immediately be dismissive by appropriating "homophobia". They have to address thier behaviour.
 
While they look far more ridiculous, I feel much better when I see transexuals who obviously haven't gone through surgical or chemical gender reassignment. At least it means their doctor is actually doing what you're supposed to do, have the person live as the opposite sex for at least a year or two before going forward with physical transition. Too many doctors see dollar signs and get their patients signed up for every treatment imaginable the second the patient so much as mentions feeling mild gender dysphoria.


While I personally disapprove of transgenderism, I also believe adults get to make decisions about their bodies, even if they are really fucking stupid decisions. When the person lives as the opposite sex for a couple years pre chemical transition, it gives them time to back out and reconsider before any permanent damage is done. And, if the time is up and they still want to go through with it, that's their business. Not making it an instant thing gets rid of spur-of-the-moment people and people who are going through acute mental breakdowns and will realize they aren't actually a woman once the bipolar mania wears off.
 
And, if the time is up and they still want to go through with it, that's their business.
If it isn't a mental illness or an illness of any kind, though, it's just an optional cosmetic procedure and I don't want to be in the insurance pool paying higher premiums so some pervert can get free fake tits, especially when they won't even pay for real women who survive breast cancer to get that.
 
If it isn't a mental illness or an illness of any kind, though, it's just an optional cosmetic procedure and I don't want to be in the insurance pool paying higher premiums so some pervert can get free fake tits, especially when they won't even pay for real women who survive breast cancer to get that.
I agree with you there. I don't think it should be covered either by public healthcare in C*nada, or insurance companies in the states. It should all come out of pocket. I was only talking about the approval process to have it done, not the burden it places on the system or to other's wallets.
 
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