Gamergate IV: Salvation

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There was plenty of that on both sides. What these stupid motherfuckers don't get is that if you get an ultimatum from some nasty little shithead demanding you take a side or else, most people are going to pick the other side, if they take a side at all, just to piss off the nasty little shithead.

I wonder how many people discover this site after that kind of ultimatums? I decide to join during the WuVsJace thing . I got a nasty experience when pointing out in other site how Wu wanted to use Jace. The rethoric of both sides have made me lower my opinion of journos like Patrick.
 
My site before this place was 4chan. I just kinda shrugged since i dont even go to /v/
 
I wonder how many people discover this site after that kind of ultimatums? I decide to join during the WuVsJace thing . I got a nasty experience when pointing out in other site how Wu wanted to use Jace. The rethoric of both sides have made me lower my opinion of journos like Patrick.
I went here as I wanted to laugh at some AGG and /cow/ was too slow for me. I love it here
 
What makes the whole GG thing tiresome to me is the hypocrisy on both sides. They both decry each-other as shitheads when they themselves do some shitflinging. its become too much of a black and white issue they seem to forget that the other side isnt some single entity but people aswell. Both sides are equally as SJW as the other, i'm sorry Jaimas but to me thats pretty much the truth.

Believe what you want.

At this point I've covered that canard about a dozen times across four threads. If you wanna believe that both sides are the same, knock yourself out, man.

Meanwhile I'll be laughing at shit like the ongoing Alison Rapp tire-fire.

UPDATE: Pretty much explaining why Rapp's a GG Issue:

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It's more the old fashioned "The lie is halfway around the world before the truth has got its pants on."

Many folks in these industries feel the need to run the story as quickly as possible to get ahead of the game. To garner the clicks and ad revenue.

They also want to keep the idea of GG alive as a vast, evil movement of losers (that somehow wields massive power regardless). Which is kind of funny.

The reality is, yes, Rapp probably did get a lot of flak from the thirsty neckbeards over the localized Fire Emblams game.

Unfortunately that's her bloody job as a PR rep.

PR rep/community management is often the bottom rung of the ladder because you take a lot of shit. You also learn how to operate in that environment and such.

Now, I've actually known a person similar to Rapp who did PR in the vidya industry at her level (was even a woman too!). She told me how PR is a hideous balancing act in the industry because you are basically shat on from every corner.

You can be shat on by the company if you release info early by accident, you're also the first point of call and public face if anything goes awry and you get basically no credit for ensuring that things go well. You're the one that gets shat on if things go wrong or if the game doesn't go as well as hoped. (Sound familiar?)

You also don't pick fights with the people who are complaining. Even though Selfridge is wrong by the phrase "The customer is always right".

Now, my friend decided to bug out of the vidya industry because of the shitstorm that developed where the PR campaign actually outstripped the end quality of the game and now acts as an on/off consultant for various firms.

As much as we deride it, PR is vastly important to the vidya industry because of the era of social media. It has to be a full time job because of the potential shitstorm that can develop.

It also means that PR people should be more aware of their actions and behaviours online and Rapp did not. She was unable to have a proper and clean break between her professional and public life and this is what caused the issues for her. Her controversial views (for a family friendly company) also did not bode well because she seemed unaware, or even willfully ignorant, of Nintendo's Social Media Policy.

Just by having separate accounts (one official Treehouse PR one and one for herself) would have most likely done her a lot of good, but her attitude since being fired seems to be she wants to build "herself" as a brand of some sort.

End of the day, Rapp was more a victim of circumstance and timing rather than a GG scalp. The SJW brigade are crowing about it being a GG scalp because they want to continue the narrative of all gamers being evil, misogynistic losers, that are still able to "abuse" people out of the industry.

Quite as to why they choose this unimportant battle ground nobody knows, but still.

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The sensible thing for any video game company would actually be to outsource this side of the business to PR firms, or hire in professionals to do this job properly, rather than effectively "upping" community managers as they did with Rapp (she was previously community manager elsewhere and for Xbox One). There are social media PR firms out there with people who actually know how to manage expectations and operate more professionally than Rapp did.

The problem is, people who are good at PR are 1) Very expensive (my friend as a consultant cheerfully charges six figures these days) and 2) Increasingly hen's teeth for this industry. Too many Community Managers are being pushed above their abilities and it's sad and maddenning.
 
UPDATE: Pretty much explaining why Rapp's a GG Issue:

That's a bunch of autism. Plus nobody believes they really fired her over the moonlighting bullshit. That's a face-saving lie for Nintendo and would be for Rapp if she had the sense to STFU and let it stand.
 
The write-up of the lolcows surrounding GG was missing quite a few notable Pro-GG cows. Davis Aurini, Jordan Owen, Roosh V and his site Reaxxion, Rocking Mr. E all come to mind.
 
The write-up of the lolcows surrounding GG was missing quite a few notable Pro-GG cows. Davis Aurini, Jordan Owen, Roosh V and his site Reaxxion, Rocking Mr. E all come to mind.

Many of those were fucking lolcows without any involvement from Gamergate.

Roosh in particular is out of his fucking mind.

Point on Aurini, however.
 
Also obligatory 'most GG cows are not nearly as damaging to themselves or their movement as most anti-GG cows' mention.
 
Many of those were fucking lolcows without any involvement from Gamergate.

Roosh in particular is out of his fucking mind.

Point on Aurini, however.

Well yeah, they were cows before GamerGate was a thing but it brought Aurini, Owen, and E to the forefront.

Oh yeah, and another guy who I had forgotten, Cernovich, he doesn't have a thread here but he may qualify. The hypocrite that hated gamers but liked GG because it was against Feminist SJWs.
 
Oh yeah, and another guy who I had forgotten, Cernovich, he doesn't have a thread here but he may qualify. The hypocrite that hated gamers but liked GG because it was against Feminist SJWs.

Doesn't that describe Milo as well though?

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It doesn't seem like there's much reason to think of him as anything but like, the anti-Wu. Rather than gain his fame (which is clearly greater than Wu's or any of the other 'famous' antis) and money through being a professional victim, he just hitched onto a sort-of political movement of autists, and managed to portray himself as, and in the end become, a leader of a movement he has no interest in other than his own self-interest.

It actually seems to be the only thing keeping Gamergate 'alive', it is good business. Journalists get to write their articles about that hacker 4chan menace gamergate, people with little to no actual interest are able to manipulate and use bands of spastics on either side for their own self-interest, and the tards go throwing money at patreons etc.

I'm not really convinced any of the big names on either side are genuinely acting out of principle rather than self-interest.
 
It doesn't seem like there's much reason to think of him as anything but like, the anti-Wu. Rather than gain his fame (which is clearly greater than Wu's or any of the other 'famous' antis) and money through being a professional victim, he just hitched onto a sort-of political movement of autists, and managed to portray himself as, and in the end become, a leader of a movement he has no interest in other than his own self-interest.

Milo is a shameless opportunist and attention whore.

However, I find his success at doing this, and the fact that he is not at all hypocritical about it and even boasts about it, refreshingly charming in the sea of smarmy, virtue signalling dickwads who comprise our so-called news media.

He can also turn a good phrase from time to time. That's still worth something to me.

There's also the fact that, behind the scenes, when he goes to the mat and insists something is an actual "fact," as opposed to one of his many, many opinions, which change from day to day, he's generally not only researched it but even filtered it through legal counsel preemptively.

It is pretty unlikely you will ever successfully be sued for repeating factual allegations from Milo.
 
So apparently, mere days after shrieking about how Alison Rapp dindu nuffin, NeoGAF has decided that they're going to attempt to get Cinemassacre to "blacklist" AlphaOmegaSin, apparently unaware that they're IRL friends and that James Rolfe gives less than a shit about Social Justice.

And as if to chase it, we have this fucking idiocy, as Nathan Grayson goes over the SocJus-ification of another beloved RPG franchise:

Amber Scott said:
“If there was something for the original Baldur’s Gate that just doesn’t mesh for modern day gamers like the sexism, [we tried to address that],” said writer Amber Scott. “In the original there’s a lot of jokes at women’s expense. Or if not a lot, there’s a couple, like Safana was just a sex object in BG 1, and Jaheira was the nagging wife and that was played for comedy. We were able to say like, ‘No, that’s not really the kind of story we want to make.’ In Siege of Dragonspear, Safana gets her own little storyline, she got a way better personality upgrade. If people don’t like that, then too bad.”

The article then goes on about how their world has gay and bi characters now, and how "inclusive" it is, and another once-beloved franchise lurches towards becoming another captured franchise.
 
The problem is not the presence of Gay/Bi/Wherever type of character but the usual SJW shoehorning and pandering:an elephant in a glass house is more delicate than the typical "inclusive" narrative.
Also,how long before those glass skinned spergs start whining about
Dark Souls 3 lacks of Gay marriage ?
 
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The problem is not the presence of Gay/Bi/Wherever type of character but the usual SJW shoehorning and pandering:an elephant in a glass house is more delicate than the typical "inclusive" narrative.
Also,how long before those glass skinned spergs start whining about
Dark Souls 3 lacks of Gay marriage ?

One last time I'll comment on it, and for the sake of those involved, this thread series in general.

I've brought it up a few times and I'd prefer to let it rest, but inclusion isn't my problem with shit like this. My issue is that half the time it's espoused, it's being done by an absolute lunatic who, more often than not, has no idea why people like the fluff of an attached work of fiction. When these people get in charge of something - and they have - this can result in dire consequences for a game's fluff, especially if that individual is also a terrible writer on their own merits. As someone who is a storyfag for most games he plays, trying to learn more about each setting, that is something that I find especially distasteful.

Take for example the case of Jennifer Hepler, who was the main writer behind Dragon Age: Inquisition. Whilst the game is fine, gameplay-wise, the story of the game took a noticeable hit, and suddenly tons is changed fluff-wise and character-wise for no immediately discernable reason, whilst the usual suspects flagellate themselves over how "inclusive" it is. It's only when you dig a little deeper that you realize that Hepler herself has no real writing credentials, and moreover, outright admits to disliking video games, which she is now being paid to write for, that you realize just how pants-on-head we've gotten here.

Hell, this little image surmising Hepler and who she supplanted sums it up rather well:

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And lest you think Bioware is backing off from hiring additional people like Hepler:

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....I can't even think of something humorous to say about this one.

This kind of activity hasn't been a unique occurence. Every single time, it's followed the same pattern: one ideologue gets in place, often as a "diversity hire" or as the result of outside agitation. After this individual is in place, they will begin appointing other ideologues who believe in the cause, gradually forcing out employees who are less on-board with their ideas, until they achieve ideological purity. Hell, we've seen this behavior a few times amongst the various lolcows we've covered, as well, such as how Laurelai acquired SJWiki or Vade took over Furryscumbags.

In the eyes of these individuals, adherence to the cause is more important than credentials, experience, or merit, because someone who supports the cause is inherently more moral. And it's not just people in the industry, there's plenty of idiots outside who would love to take established works and warp them to their own world-view as well. Hell, the Trans Samus Incident, of Brianna Wu fame, practically exists as proof of that. Kadybat's "this is revolutionary queerness" spiel speaks volumes.


I don't like constantly seeing this shit these days in games development, because these people will think nothing of eviscerating a game world, character, setting, or work of fiction if it makes it "better" in their eyes, and they all-too-often have little or even no real skill to speak of in the process. At the end of it lies a product that's inferior, if it even can get a serviceable market, and that kind of sucks for all involved.
 
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In the eyes of these individuals, adherence to the cause is more important than credentials, experience, or merit, because someone who supports the cause is inherently more moral. And it's not just people in the industry, there's plenty of idiots outside who would love to take established works and warp them to their own world-view as well. Hell, the tranny Samus Incident, of Brianna Wu fame, practically exists as proof of that. Kadybat's "this is revolutionary queerness" spiel speaks volumes.

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I don't like constantly seeing this shit these days in games development, because these people will think nothing of eviscerating a game world, character, setting, or work of fiction if it makes it "better" in their eyes, and they all-too-often have little or even no real skill to speak of in the process. At the end of it lies a product that's inferior, if it even can get a serviceable market, and that kind of sucks for all involved.[/spoiler]
Outside of Poison, the other characters can't count as trans. Sure this Twitter user can say "to hell with canon, these characters are trans" all day long, the authors aren't going to give a shit. One would keep saying "make your own characters" but outside of becoming an overused saying, these people wouldn't be appeased by that as much as wanting to force their own ideas on what Zelda or Link should be. How would they like it if someone said to hell with the authors intent and demanded that Link's enemies such as Ganon should be trans? Besides, what does making a character like Link a transsexual accomplish? It ends up being nothing more than just fluff that no one else would care about.
 
It still boggles my mind that this is still ongoing. I think that if the gaming "journalism" media didn't attempt to stifle or attack any discussion that had any hints of GamerGate and just put ethics policy pages up, this would've been over and forgotten about within a month. But now this has been building up and going on for so long, it seems like a raging inferno that might last several more years at minimum.
 
Its not bad if SJWs/a woman does it. But if its a GGer or a white man, all hell will break loose.

I just love how these lunatics can support pedophiles and insane behaviour and expect the normal and sane people to not react negatively. What was Nintendo supposed to do? Let a pro-pedo in their ranks? That's just asking for legal trouble as well as the PR nightmare it would involve.
 
Its not bad if SJWs/a woman does it. But if its a GGer or a white man, all hell will break loose.

I just love how these lunatics can support pedophiles and insane behaviour and expect the normal and sane people to not react negatively. What was Nintendo supposed to do? Let a pro-pedo in their ranks? That's just asking for legal trouble as well as the PR nightmare it would involve.

How about not caving into a bunch of hypocritical manchildren claiming a normal academic paper and some out of context twitter posts are proof of wrongdoing while their homebase is a den of child-model rings?
 
homebase is a den of child-model rings?
Gotta source for that, bud?

How about we dont just throw shit like that around without having something to back it up, thats probably why @Jaimas is probably the best poster in this thread, since he puts effort into his shit.
 
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