🎭 Dramacow Gamergate / Depression Quest Shitstorm

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I'm guessing it's not just because this guy's really sore about being several hundred years too late to join the Spanish Inquisition? He sounds like a nutter.

 

[Judge Holden]

Well now Nissan seems to be ready to follow Mercedes, BMW, and Adobe in pulling ads from Gawker....and gawker is fcking pissed as all hell

https://archive.today/UXA4r

actual headline

HOW WE GOT ROLLED BY THE DISHONEST FASCISTS OF GAMERGATE

god....combined with the class action lawsuit by interns I really.......REALLY hope this all cumulatively leads to Gawker burning to the ground.

 

[Truck Rockfort]

Listen to this man. He speaks truth, and fights for your freedom.

The only thing I can hope is that SJWs will end up dying off like the hippies or what ever and that this just a generational phase.

If the argument here is that a game should never ever be criticized unless you're doing it by not buying the game, then I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree. If nothing else, that kind of thinking hurts the developers more than it helps them. Video games take a long time to make, and publishers sink a lot of money into making just one of them, so having their audience keep hush about what they don't like about their game until it's too late to do anything about it can only be bad news for them. If a lot of people hated a feature that they could easily have left on the cutting room floor, I'm sure they'd be glad to know about it, at least I would if my ability to eat hinged upon the success of my game.

I can understand if people are being assholes about it and flaming their inbox or filling their twitter mentions with obnoxious insults, but that's just being an all-around jerk. You're trying to tell me that the simple act of letting Nintendo know that you're disappointed by Tomodachi Life because they didn't bother to consider the differences between Japanese and American culture before localizing it in the US is the cancer that's killing the video game industry. That's what I don't understand. I'd be 100% behind you if you said we should tone it down and not be so forceful about it, try to be more civil, but here it just sounds like you don't want anyone to have a voice at all unless they agree with your point of view on how social issues should be handled in games.

You don't seem to be getting what I'm trying to say here. If you think I'm saying that people that I disagree with should be silence your dead wrong. There is subjective criticism and then there is objective. Artist/Writer can grown upon objective and constructive criticisms to help them improve on their work, then there is subjective criticism, If there is something you don't like because of personal taste then you don't have the right to FORCE a writer to make their work what you want it to be. What SJWs are doing is forcing people to give up their artist integrity for example they want a minority to be the main character when the writer wants to make it what they want.

Let's use an Artist's drawing style for example of what I'm trying to convey. An artist can and should be criticized for drawing characters badly no matter what style they use so they can improve upon their skills and make their art better. A person should be allowed to draw kind of style they want whether they use western or Anime way of drawing their characters but they still need to draw proportionality correct and to keep details consistent but if a talented artist that can draw good likes to draw in say an Anime style or whatever and you don't like that style personally doesn't mean can force them the drawing what you want when it's their work.

There are something that can be changed like the Tomodachi incident, some people had a point when saying that they should have allowed gay marriage even if the game was already a year old when it was released in the western market but the way that they went about arguing it by saying Nintendo was homophobic and tat they wereworse than Westboro is the wrong way of doing it. You need to learn to turn down the fucking attitude and to quit demonizing when giving people constructive criticism.

That's the main problem with the damn SJWs. They are willing to demonized and slander by anyone by calling them misogynist, homophobes, racists or any other thing that they can think of to shame you and try to turn everyone against you just because they don't like what doesn't match their warped ideals.

 

[Steve Mayers]

I've been semi-follwing this Gamergate shit. For the most part it seems to be neckbeards vs SJWs. Both can be lolcows. Return of Kings is looking for someone to cover Gamergate. Return of Kings coverage will likely be from the fedora wearing neckbeard point of view. I enjoy watching this from both points of view, and love the wildly misinformed emotional rantings of both sides.

 

[Trickie]

The only thing I can hope is that SJWs will end up dying off like the hippies or what ever and that this just a generational phase.



You don't seem to be getting what I'm trying to say here. If you think I'm saying that people that I disagree with should be silence your dead wrong. There is subjective criticism and then there is objective. Artist/Writer can grown upon objective and constructive criticisms to help them improve on their work, then there is subjective criticism, If there is something you don't like because of personal taste then you don't have the right to FORCE a writer to make their work what you want it to be. What SJWs are doing is forcing people to give up their artist integrity for example they want a minority to be the main character when the writer wants to make it what they want.

Let's use an Artist's drawing style for example of what I'm trying to convey. An artist can and should be criticized for drawing characters badly no matter what style they use so they can improve upon their skills and make their art better. A person should be allowed to draw kind of style they want whether they use western or Anime way of drawing their characters but they still need to draw proportionality correct and to keep details consistent but if a talented artist that can draw good likes to draw in say an Anime style or whatever and you don't like that style personally doesn't mean can force them the drawing what you want when it's their work.

There are something that can be changed like the Tomodachi incident, some people had a point when saying that they should have allowed gay marriage even if the game was already a year old when it was released in the western market but the way that they went about arguing it by saying Nintendo was homophobic and tat they wereworse than Westboro is the wrong way of doing it. You need to learn to turn down the fucking attitude and to quit demonizing when giving people constructive criticism.

That's the main problem with the damn SJWs. They are willing to demonized and slander by anyone by calling them misogynist, homophobes, racists or any other thing that they can think of to shame you and try to turn everyone against you just because they don't like what doesn't match their warped ideals.

Quick couple of questions. First, what do you mean by "force a writer/artist/dev"? My understanding is that, even if a company is being roundly criticized for something, they aren't obligated to even take that criticism into consideration, legally or otherwise. Any orders a writer or artist is given would come from their management only.

Second, suppose for a moment you were someone who really liked a game, or a series, but had a subjective criticism for a recent game that's in development, you'd really like to see a female character option for the next installment of the series. What would you do? Or, perhaps, what would you recommend someone in that situation to do?

 

[A Random]

Second, suppose for a moment you were someone who really liked a game, or a series, but had a subjective criticism for a recent game that's in development, you'd really like to see a female character option for the next installment of the series. What would you do? Or, perhaps, what would you recommend someone in that situation to do?

Mail the company who is producing the game and ask politely why there haven't been any female characters available [recently], and whether they could consider inserting one next game, NOT go on the news and declare them to be misogynists for not having thought about it at all.

See, with the former, you are right to be disappointed if the response is 'we don't do it because we don't want to'. They're actively stating a position of misogyny. With the latter, you're assuming there's misogyny at hand when the possibility of 'wait, we didn't think of it' is always there. Just ask the Power Rangers guys who didn't realize they were accidental racists. [We don't know all the people who applied, nor what their interests for a Black Ranger and a Yellow Ranger were. Maybe they had Zack and Trini's characters already picked and not the costumes.]

This is part of why #GamerGate's ad removal campaign is working. Private messages can do things more strongly than using the media.

 

[ASoulMan]

It's awesome how Gawker keeps losing advertisements. They deserve it big time.

You'd think that people would get in trouble for saying stuff like this online.

 

[Arctic]

Well now Nissan seems to be ready to follow Mercedes, BMW, and Adobe in pulling ads from Gawker....and gawker is fcking pissed as all hell

https://archive.today/UXA4r

actual headline



god....combined with the class action lawsuit by interns I really.......REALLY hope this all cumulatively leads to Gawker burning to the ground.

Sounds like something pre-jenkem Tyce would write.

Last week, a Gawker writer tweeted "bring back bullying." He, and later I, made the tactical mistake of publicly treating Gamergate with the contempt and flippancy that it deserves.

Do these people know any shame?

I've been told that we've lost thousands of dollars already, and could potentially lose thousands more, if not millions.

Keep on sending those e-mails, people!

 

[Billpalazzo-sama]

Well now Nissan seems to be ready to follow Mercedes, BMW, and Adobe in pulling ads from Gawker....and gawker is fcking pissed as all hell

https://archive.today/UXA4r

My favorite quote from that article:

The value that defines both Gamergate and brand response is cynicism. A brand that honestly believes it needs to clarify that it is "vehemently opposed to bullying of any kind"—as though there are or have ever been genuine corporate supporters of bullying...

*cough*Gawker*cough*

 

[CWCissey]

Panic on the sites of Gawker.
Panic on the boards of Tumblr
I wonder to myself
Could games ever be sane again?

 

[Trickie]

Mail the company who is producing the game and ask politely why there haven't been any female characters available [recently], and whether they could consider inserting one next game, NOT go on the news and declare them to be misogynists for not having thought about it at all.

See, with the former, you are right to be disappointed if the response is 'we don't do it because we don't want to'. They're actively stating a position of misogyny. With the latter, you're assuming there's misogyny at hand when the possibility of 'wait, we didn't think of it' is always there. Just ask the Power Rangers guys who didn't realize they were accidental racists. [We don't know all the people who applied, nor what their interests for a Black Ranger and a Yellow Ranger were. Maybe they had Zack and Trini's characters already picked and not the costumes.]

This is part of why #GamerGate's ad removal campaign is working. Private messages can do things more strongly than using the media.

I get that, and I agree that's a good idea, but we should be able to spread the message too, right? Like gamergate does with their boycott operation? I'm not at all for calling people misogynists without warrant, and I just feel like raising awareness to the issue is often conflated with shouting "DIE CIS SCUM".

Do these people know any shame?

They certainly don't seem to know when to stop kicking the internet bear, that's for sure...

 

[Coldgrip]

Mail the company who is producing the game and ask politely why there haven't been any female characters available [recently], and whether they could consider inserting one next game, NOT go on the news and declare them to be misogynists for not having thought about it at all.

See, with the former, you are right to be disappointed if the response is 'we don't do it because we don't want to'. They're actively stating a position of misogyny. With the latter, you're assuming there's misogyny at hand when the possibility of 'wait, we didn't think of it' is always there. Just ask the Power Rangers guys who didn't realize they were accidental racists. [We don't know all the people who applied, nor what their interests for a Black Ranger and a Yellow Ranger were. Maybe they had Zack and Trini's characters already picked and not the costumes.]

This is part of why #GamerGate's ad removal campaign is working. Private messages can do things more strongly than using the media.

So by that logic, if I mailed a company and asked if they'd consider putting a male character into the next game (let's say Bayonetta 3) and they said 'we don't want to because we don't want to', would that be misandry then?

 

[Smutley]

Well now Nissan seems to be ready to follow Mercedes, BMW, and Adobe in pulling ads from Gawker....and gawker is fcking pissed as all hell

https://archive.today/UXA4r

actual headline



god....combined with the class action lawsuit by interns I really.......REALLY hope this all cumulatively leads to Gawker burning to the ground.

Thank you Holden, I've been laughing for ten minutes now. I'm still laughing as I eat my delicious poisoned delicacy for gamers (anchovy pizza). They are PISSED and have no clue why this awful thing is happening to Good and Pure Warriors of Truth and Honesty(1).

For enjoyment here are some comments from their circlejerk of mouthbreathing datapoints they used to sell to advertisers (advertisers USED to be their customers until this piece because who would want to work for a company that attacks you)?

Do you guys know that most of the campaign to get your advertisers to pull out is coming from www.rooshvforum.com? If you go to it and click where it says "everything else", you should be able to find threads all about it.

The forum itself is run by the same dude who runs that Return Of Kings troll website. The guy who challenged Sam to a fight is a frequent poster there. His username is MikeCF.

The fact that these dudes came up with the hashtag #FatShamingWeek and are putting together spreadsheets of your advertisers' contact information so that people can easily alert them to Sam's bullying tweet is unfuckingbelievable.

And let's not forget that Adobe's last great "political stand" involved getting Dmitry Sklyarov arrested for writing a little piece of (unauthorized!) software that allowed blind people to use the company's e-book format. Yep, the company is not known for its thoughtful and measured responses to social issues.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St...

Perfect. Thank you, Dad.

The fact that Adobe feels the need to "brand" itself at all is an aberration of their advertising agency.

There is actually no serious competition for any of its core products. What are people going to do? Not use photoshop?

I'm bathing in the Gaters' tears. Feel the oppression and bullying, ya crybabies (and racists, sexists, misogynists etc etc).

I feel about Gamergate the way I feel about Sam's writing on VW.

And this is a reminder that I don't really hope floods their shitty Kinja commenting system

Spoiler

1: As long as it is Gawkers Honest Truth

 

[Jaimas]

So, you guys remember that pair of interviews that went up, from a neutral party, showing Pro and Anti GG viewpoints?

It's down, and now Magnotron is refusing additional Gamergate coverage, citing doxx threats from Gamergate.

The real reason, however, is actually this, and ultimately this.

 

[Trickie]

So by that logic, if I mailed a company and asked if they'd consider putting a male character into the next game (let's say Bayonetta 3) and they said 'we don't want to because we don't want to', would that be misandry then?

I think what he meant was if the reason was only that they didn't feel like it, but that they could otherwise easily work it into the game, then you might have a better case of misogyny/misandry. For Bayonetta 3, I'd say the reason would be that the series is very character driven, and that the main protagonist is not only well established in the public eye but also iconic to the series, and that they don't feel like shoe-horning a male protagonist into it would work.

 

[A Random]

I think what he meant was if the reason was only that they didn't feel like it, but that they could otherwise easily work it into the game, then you might have a better case of misogyny/misandry. For Bayonetta 3, I'd say the reason would be that the series is very character driven, and that the main protagonist is not only well established in the public eye but also iconic to the series, and that they don't feel like shoe-horning a male protagonist into it would work.

Basically. Plus you can't declare misandry because of a lack of male characters in the medium is not the case.

That said, I said that if you contact them, you're right in feeling disappointed. You wanted something, you tried to make it happen, you were denied it. If you did not actively have a hand at all in the creation, and are simply reviewing it, you can't claim this same level of disappointment. Care from the start, and I'll believe it.

 

[Truck Rockfort]

Quick couple of questions. First, what do you mean by "force a writer/artist/dev"? My understanding is that, even if a company is being roundly criticized for something, they aren't obligated to even take that criticism into consideration, legally or otherwise. Any orders a writer or artist is given would come from their management only.

Second, suppose for a moment you were someone who really liked a game, or a series, but had a subjective criticism for a recent game that's in development, you'd really like to see a female character option for the next installment of the series. What would you do? Or, perhaps, what would you recommend someone in that situation to do?

Look what I've been saying is that is that one of the worst things an artist can do in my opinion is to cave into pressure and compromise their artistic integrity and going from making a story they wanted to make to being badgered into giving up their vision just to appease people who want to make it their thing.

You pretty much answered all the questions about what I've been trying to say with this post

I think what he meant was if the reason was only that they didn't feel like it, but that they could otherwise easily work it into the game, then you might have a better case of misogyny/misandry. For Bayonetta 3, I'd say the reason would be that the series is very character driven, and that the main protagonist is not only well established in the public eye but also iconic to the series, and that they don't feel like shoe-horning a male protagonist into it would work.

Having an option to play as opposite gender is not the problem when it is a game or story that can work around it like the elder scrolls series, BUT when it upsets the story and the narrative of what the artist want and is trying to do, that's what I've been trying to say.

I rather move on from this because this is becoming less about gamer gate and should be discussed somewhere else

 

[spaps]

Well now Nissan seems to be ready to follow Mercedes, BMW, and Adobe in pulling ads from Gawker....and gawker is fcking pissed as all hell

https://archive.today/UXA4r

actual headline



god....combined with the class action lawsuit by interns I really.......REALLY hope this all cumulatively leads to Gawker burning to the ground.

Insulting their former advertisers. Fucking A, Gawker, nice work shooting yourself in the foot. Have fun getting new advertising.

 

[XYZpdq]

Insulting their former advertisers. Fucking A, Gawker, nice work shooting yourself in the foot. Have fun getting new advertising.

I think that's what's been most astounding to me through this is how absolutely clueless Gawker's been about handling things professionally.
I'm in media. We have content providers that piss off sponsors, shit happens. You say something to them like "gosh, sorry you feel this way, we understand your decision, if you change your mind in the future please feel free to call any time blahblahblah" and you don't say A DAMN THING about it to your audience and they'll sometimes come back after a while when the heat's died down. But when you do bitchy shit to your audience those sponsors are never coming back.
Did anybody at Gawker have any professional experience in the real world?

 

[Batman VS Tony Danza]

I'd like to think if Gawker went down in flames then GG would slow down or stop since it'd be more than they ever originally had hoped to achieve but I'm afraid they might spend their days going after SJWs.