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Brianna Wu is a fucking moron and has no idea what she is talking about. 8chan and Twitter are two completely different entities in terms of laws and how they catalog users. Twitter HAS the ability to track IPs and is probably willing to give IPs if they're going to investigate harassment. I'm sure hotwheels would also be willing to create a system to log to IPs but only if it was true that 8chan users were attacking females in the gaming industry.

A little off-topic but this is how dumb and reliant on Twitter Brianna Wu really is:
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One of the things I keep hearing brought up by antigg is that the infamous Leigh Alexander piece shouldn't be offensive to gamers because she's only dissing the bad ones. If you're a good guy, it's not about you, and so you have no reason to be offended.

But what if we take that same exact logic and write a "SJWs are dead" article? By the same exact logic it should be completely inoffensive to advocates of social justice. After all, it wouldn't be about the good ones, only the bad ones. I used the original Leigh Alexander article as a template. It took surprisingly few changes to make it about SJWs.
SJWs are Dead
I often say I’m a social justice warrior, but lately I don’t know exactly what that means. ‘SJW’ as we know it is kind of embarrassing -- it’s not even social justice. It’s posting things on tumblr, spackling over memes and in-jokes repeatedly, and it’s getting mad on the internet.

It’s young hipsters, colored hair and oppression one-upsmanship. Arguing passionately for hours on forums around the internet, to see the privileges their friends online want them to see. To find out whether they should become things or not. They don’t know how to dress or behave. Television cameras pan across listless protests, and often catch the expressions of people who don’t quite know why they themselves are standing there.

‘SJW culture’ is a petri dish of people who know so little about how human social interaction and professional life works that they can concoct online ‘wars’ about social justice or ‘feminism,’ straight-faced, and cause genuine human consequences. Because of tumblr.

Lately, I often find myself wondering what I’m even doing here. And I know I’m not alone.

All of us should be better than this. You should be deeply questioning your life choices if this and this and this are the prominent public face your ideology presents to the rest of the world.

This is what the rest of the world knows about your ideology -- this, and about using the right pronouns in your absence or those attention seekers with inaginary friends they call "headmates". That’s it. You should absolutely be better than this.

You don’t want to ‘be divisive?’ Who’s being divided, except for people who are okay with an infantilized deconstruction of social justice concepts like privilege and feminism distorted to the point that it becomes a weapon to be used for selfish desires? What is there to ‘debate’?

Right, let’s say it’s a vocal minority that’s not representative of most social justice advocates. Most people, from mainstream feminists to academics, are mortified, furious, disheartened at the direction SJWs has taken the debate in the past few weeks. It’s not like there are reputable outlets publishing rational articles in favor of the SJWs’ ‘side’. Don’t give press to the harassers. Don’t blame an entire movement for a few bad apples.

Yet disclaiming liability is clearly no help. Social justice websites with huge community hubs whose fans are often associated with blunt Twitter hate mobs sort of shrug, they say things like ‘we delete the really bad stuff, what else can we do’ and ‘those people don’t represent our community’ -- but actually, those people do represent your community. That’s what your community is known for, whether you like it or not.

When you decline to create or to curate any meaningful advocacy in your spaces, you’re responsible for what spawns in the vacuum. That’s what’s been happening to social justice.

That’s not super surprising, actually. While social justice itself was studied by rigorous, bright academics -- they thought tumblr would make SJ more fun, or that reddit would make for amazing cross-cultural meeting spaces -- the "warrior" arm of the form sprung up from the seductive uniqueness it offered to young adults. You know, young people who haven't formed a strong identity for themselves and who want to feel special.

Suddenly a generation of angsty teens had the internet whispering in their ears that they were the most important special snowflakes of all time. Suddenly they started wearing shiny labels and pinning oppression onto everything they did, started making image macros that sold the promise of attention and praise to kids just like them.

By 2010 that was social justice’s only main cultural signposts: Have oppression. Be special. Get attention until you find bigger form of oppression. Be an otherkin. Celebrate that. Defeat anyone who threatens you. You don’t need any context if it might stop you from being offended. You don’t need anything but sympathy for all the oppression you're feeling. Public conversation was led by a bunch of bloggers whose role was primarily to tell people to check their privilege, to score points competitively against one another, to gleefully fuel the “team sports” atmosphere around different sexualities and disorders.

It makes a strange sort of sense that SJWs of that time would become scapegoats for the right, for societal changes in middle America -- not that SJWs themselves actually had anything to do with it, but they had a cause in common, an amorphous cultural shape that was bright and multicolored on the outside, hollow on the inside.

Yet in 2014, the social justice landscape has changed. We still think angsty teens are the primary demographic for social justice -- yet the average blog following from that demographic has contracted massively year on year, with only a few of them enjoying predictable success.

It’s clear that most of the people who drove those pageviews in the past have grown up -- either out of SJW blogging, or into more fertile spaces, where small and diverse advocates can flourish, where communities can quickly spring up around creativity, self-expression and mutual support, rather than competitive privlege checking. There are new audiences and new creators alike there. Traditional social justice blogging is sloughing off, culturally and economically, like the carapace of a bug.

This is hard for people who’ve drank the kool aid about how their identity depends on the aging cultural signposts of a rapidly-evolving, increasingly broad and complex medium. It’s hard for them to hear they don’t own anything, anymore, that they aren’t the world’s most special-est web demographic, that they have to share.

We also have to scrutinize, closely, the baffling, stubborn silence of many social justice bloggers about their own scandals, or the fact lots of stubborn, myopic internet comments happen on gaming and comic sites. This is hard for old-school SJWs who are being made redundant, both culturally and literally, in their unwillingness to address new audiences or reference points outside of "privilege checking" and "internalized misogyny" as their traditional domain falls into the sea around them. Of course it’s hard. It’s probably intense, painful stuff for some bitter old-timers.

But it’s unstoppable. A new generation of social justice advocates are finally aiming to instate a healthy cultural vocabulary, a language of community that was missing in the days of “PIV is rape” and the oppression olympics led by a one-upsmanship approach to privilege with the intent of attacking a single presumed demographic.

This means that over just the last few years, writing on social justice focuses on personal experiences and listening to what people have to say, not pre-approved narratives bowing to the demands of a few prominent bloggers. It’s not about ‘being oppressed’ anymore. It’s not about telling people what is racist and misogynistic, it’s about providing spaces for people to openly discuss what (and whom) they support.

These straw man ‘misogyny and harrassment’ conversations people have been having are largely the domain of a prior age, when all we did was toe the party line and be perpetually offended and fought to be called "the least privileged", because we had the same personality disorders as our audience did. Now part of a social justice advocate's job in a diverse, human medium is to help curate an inclusive community and culture -- and a lack of commitment to beating down anyone even slightly out-of-step, like a partial compromise with the howling SJWs who’ve latched onto ‘internalized misogyny’ as the latest flag in their onslaught attempting to silence even (especially) those who they supposedly stand for.

Social justice advocates want inclusiveness in more things, including games by more people. We want -- and we are getting, and will keep getting -- tragicomedy, vignette, musicals, dream worlds, family tales, ethnographies, abstract art. We will get this, because we’re creating culture now. We are refusing to let anyone feel prohibited from participating.

“SJW” isn’t just a dated demographic label that most people increasingly prefer not to use. SJWs are over. That’s why they’re so mad.

These obtuse shitslingers, these wailing "hyper-oppressed", these childish internet-arguers -- they are not my audience. They don’t have to be yours. There is no ‘side’ to be on, there is no ‘debate’ to be had.

There is what’s past and there is what’s now. There is the role you choose to play in what’s ahead.
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Wiggert said:
Brianna Wu is a fucking moron and has no idea what she is talking about. 8chan and Twitter are two completely different entities in terms of laws and how they catalog users. Twitter HAS the ability to track IPs and is probably willing to give IPs if they're going to investigate harassment. I'm sure hotwheels would also be willing to create a system to log to IPs but only if it was true that 8chan users were attacking females in the gaming industry.

A little off-topic but this is how dumb and reliant on Twitter Brianna Wu really is:
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Stuff like this adds more credibility to the theory that she doxxed herself for attention. Since her supposed personal information was posted online, Brianna has not made any effort to lay low and quietly change her information as local authorities would suggest. Instead, she's increasing her online presence and further provoking her hypothetical harassers. I predict that there will be other struggling indie developers who follow suit and dox themselves on 8chan (or other sites) for the exposure.
 
Francis York Morgan said:
Stuff like this adds more credibility to the theory that she doxxed herself for attention. Since her supposed personal information was posted online, Brianna has not made any effort to lay low and quietly change her information as local authorities would suggest. Instead, she's increasing her online presence and further provoking her hypothetical harassers. I predict that there will be other struggling indie developers who follow suit and dox themselves on 8chan (or other sites) for the exposure.
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You're 100% correct. Someone will dox themselves just to get attention and it's going to get support from the anti-GGers and be used to vilify pro-GGers/8chan. If the harassment was actually happening to these women, then wouldn't you think they'd reduce their presence? It's the logical thing. Stuff like the MSNBC piece and what happened on HuffPost Live just shows that journalism, not just gaming journalism, is willing to side with the victim and vilify someone/a group of people despite having no concrete evidence. It's new age McCarthyism. The twitter's that are supposedly harassing these women are obviously fake, their handles just prove it. Who the fuck puts "Death to Brianna Wu" as their name on twitter? I get that people on weird and black twitter put phrases as their names but that's an entirely different subculture. Gamers are more inclined to have specific names they identify with. I seriously don't buy someone making a twitter account with the sole purpose of sending death threats to Literally Wu. The twitter handle "chatterwhiteman" even sounds like some kind of SJW term.

It's all just bullshit and the more I follow GG, the more fucking annoying it gets.
 
People like Brianna and Quinn aren't the main problem. It's the people that enable them.

I wonder, how much longer will this kind of bullshit go on before there's a massive backlash against the SJWs, even larger than Gamergate?
 
raymond said:
People like Brianna and Quinn aren't the main problem. It's the people that enable them.

I wonder, how much longer will this kind of bullshit go on before there's a massive backlash against the SJWs, even larger than Gamergate?
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They'll carry on until they have real incentive to do something about it. A lot of people are very vocal on sites like twitter but they don't take the time to find the right people to complain to. Boycotts have been working well but that's definitely a war of attrition.
 
Wiggert said:
Brianna Wu is a fucking moron and has no idea what she is talking about. 8chan and Twitter are two completely different entities in terms of laws and how they catalog users. Twitter HAS the ability to track IPs and is probably willing to give IPs if they're going to investigate harassment. I'm sure hotwheels would also be willing to create a system to log to IPs but only if it was true that 8chan users were attacking females in the gaming industry.

A little off-topic but this is how dumb and reliant on Twitter Brianna Wu really is:
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"Reliant on twitter"?

https://www.google.com/search?q=dick cheney undisclosed location&rct=j

Do you really think she's asking the former Vice President for tips on finding a good bunker?
 
Artard said:
Are you even capable of breathing out of your nose?

wow
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Maybe her and your sarcasm flew over my head but I saw that tweet and read it in the context she was being serious and also I think that the phrasing I used was a little odd, but what I meant to say is that these people are twitter a lot.
 
Wiggert said:
Maybe her and your sarcasm flew over my head...
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It flew over your head.

Varis said:
Her logic is interesting. "People were discussing me on site X when I started getting threats, therefore the users of site X must be making them!"
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It makes sense for someone that doesn't understand the chan subculture/style of internet. It's incorrect but I can see why they came to this conclusion.
 
What if the ladies of GG turned on their victim complex and screamed oppression against the media sites that published the "gamers are dead" articles? Not saying that it'd work in our favor, it might just be fun to spin the tale and see how they'll turn that into muhsoggyknee.

(Disclaimer: I'm really tired with the world tonight. Nuke errything.)
 
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Someone is cranky after getting the shit kicked out of them by a man who's legs don't even work good. Social Justice!

Edit: Brianna is claiming her account was "hacked" - an account she never lost control of, an account she posted things on during this "attack", and was done by a hacker who only sent out a single offensive tweet to a person that Brianna already has a beef with.

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It'd be nice if Twitter could verify the fake hack. I mean, she'd have to contact them in order to regain control of her account, right?

But I hope that this whole collective of reports goes to show just how much bullshit she's been slinging around without consequence. I also am willing to bet that despite her batshit insane behaviour on Huffington, not a single anti-gg journalist publication is going to report on this for fear of losing their jobs. If there's anything that's on a higher tier than harassing a woman, it's harassing a disabled man.
 
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