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Good, I hope things get cleared up and consequences come to the people involved before any more damage can be done.
Another reason why Zoe's actions were horribly shitty: setting the idea that women can just bed you for good reviews can quickly turn even uglier.
"So you're saying you'll have sex with me if I give you good press?" can quickly turn to "Have sex with me or I'll give you enough bad press to ruin your career"
She's very possibly opened a way for future female developers to be sexually exploited by pathetic, sleezy "journalists". All for her own gain. That's why I don't even get why sjws and feminists rush to her defense when she's actively trying to make things worse for other women (see:tfyc) for more money.

Sorry, hopefully didn't go too overboard there but this whole mess is rattling me in so many different ways.

No, you're right. This is also the one part of this whole mess that I don't believe anyone can logically dispute. We have solid proof that this happened. She slept with game reviewers. These same reviewers gave her game positive press. Do the fucking math.

Forget the harassment. Forget the gaming press. Forget the dubious quality of Depression Quest. Zoe does not deserve to be held up as a pillar of feminism in gaming. She is a disgrace to female gamers and women in the industry. I want all female gamers to stand with me in solidarity and say this, because it needs to be heard. She is our persona non grata and deserves nothing less than to be shunned.
 
False flag rumor from /v/:

SITUATION UPDATE: IMMEDIATE THREAT

I'm back from the meet with Zoe's friend and there's some insanity coming. What I'm about to tell you sounds so farfetched....here goes. Zoe Quinn is going forward staging a fake attack on herself tomorrow. All through the night she will be contacting media and journalists telling them how a 'group of white male gamers' assaulted her.

A youtuber gamer name will be dropped as will two or more twitter posters that she will 'overhear being spoken about' during her attack. My source tells me these people were picked because they're transparent in their real names and as gamers in their profiles.

Now for the unbelievable part. Zoe will return to Pax monday with fx bruises and damage, taking the stage with Anita Sarkeesian along with journalists from gaming sites like Kotaku and Gamasutra, but also news sites like the Washington Post and SJW/feminists they've flown in that are well known.

Together they will denounce the term 'gamer' because it refers to a violent, misogynistic, white male demographic and replace the term with one of that only Anita and Zoe know of and have personally created. The term will have a dual feminine meaning but have an extra letter at the end that distinguishes it. Zoe will speak about the horrors of her attack by the hands of 'gamers' so the term will be vilified by the world press much like if you called someone a sexual predator.

I can't even begin to fathom something like this happening but if true will destroy gaming for the male population forever. I'll report back with any new information.

If any of this is true, this is the nuclear option. Main stream media would jump on this and crucify us.
 
Yes we could. We have a mountain of evidence to show off how bad they are. idk, I'm just thinking more negative today.
 
False flag rumor from /v/:



If any of this is true, this is the nuclear option. Main stream media would jump on this and crucify us.

Until of course they do some snooping and find out it was all pre-planned, in which she will be denounced and crucified herself on a much larger scale, except for the SJW's who will claim that there is some sort of media conspiracy between males, cis, and probably also jews, because you know they will.
 
well if we get a timestamp on it and all, it's pretty much a counter-weapon!
Also, I wouldn't doubt this possibly happening. She and con-artist Sarkeesian already have zero integrity or honesty.
 
I'm 90% sure the false flag is itself a false flag. This plan is extremely risky and could backfire in so many ways, Zoe would literally have to be insane to go through with it.

As I have said before, I am so jaded by how insane the internet its, its really hard to surprise me.
 
If you ignore it, it turns out the gaming industry continues in the exact same way.
 
I'm also pretty skeptical about this false flag operation. Sounds like someone trying to cover for if some asshole does try to start something with her.

Really, Zoe Quinn mostly seems important for how this whole debacle reveals the bad state of gaming journalism. Everyone kinda knew it sucked anyway, but this really confirms it.
 
There's basically three possible scenarios for this whole "planned PAX attack" thing going on.

1) Its all fake bullshit(and the most likely). Zoe is not planning anything, and this is just some random conspiracy theory online from some butthurt guy online.

2) Zoe is planning a staged assault(very unlikely, because as stated before, all it would take is a little investigating to find out the truth). I honestly can't see her doing something like that anyway, its too....stupid of a plan.

3) There actually IS an attack planned against her, and this is just a way of covering their tracks by saying "oh, she faked it" when really she didn't(just as unlikely as option 2 for the same reason because, again, investigations would be made). But people tend to be idiots, so maybe its a bit more likely than scenario 2.
 
As I have said before, I am so jaded by how insane the internet its, its really hard to surprise me.

It's just an attempt to keep the attention on Zoe. As long as the press can keep pretending this is about sexual harassment and misogyny they won't have to address the real issue. What they want is for people to stalk Zoe at PAX so she can claim she's being threatened and harassed.

If she does go through with it the entire operation will blow up in her face immediately. Zoe's crew won't be able to keep their story straight. There will be witnesses they can't keep quiet. Time tables won't add up. Questions won't be answered. The people she accuses of setting up the assault will come out immediately to show their innocence. If they are as popular as the rumor suggests, they will have herds of people flocking to their defense as well. There is no way that any sane person would try something this retarded.
 
It's just an attempt to keep the attention on Zoe. As long as the press can keep pretending this is about sexual harassment and misogyny they won't have to address the real issue. What they want is for people to stalk Zoe at PAX so she can claim she's being threatened and harassed.

If she does go through with it the entire operation will blow up in her face immediately. Zoe's crew won't be able to keep their story straight. There will be witnesses they can't keep quiet. Time tables won't add up. Questions won't be answered. The people she accuses of setting up the assault will come out immediately to show their innocence. If they are as popular as the rumor suggests, they will have herds of people flocking to their defense as well. There is no way that any sane person would try something this retarded.

Its incredibly stupid. Im just saying we see threads on here with people talking about all sorts of crazy ass plans people try to execute.
 
Its incredibly stupid. Im just saying we see threads on here with people talking about all sorts of crazy ass plans people try to execute.

It's funny you should mention that, because the more I think about it the more I realize this sounds like some really half-assed trolling plan. Or something Chris would come up with to get china.

I find it really funny how feminists bitch about how mistreated and how nobody sides with them. But the funny thing is the only reason people are defending Zoe is because she's a woman.

Regardless of the validity of said claim, when a woman says she is being taken advantage of because of her gender she's 100% more likely to receive help than a man making the same assertion. It's fucking disgusting.
 

I can't read this without thinking of The People's Front of Judea:


I don't think this whole situation for many people is so much about journalistic integrity and the societal impact video games have on human behaviour any more, but about identity. When we're asked who we are, we'll usually respond along the lines of "I am a multifaceted person whose combination of moral beliefs, interests and personal experiences have shaped a unique view on my perception of the world". To make a statement like this places you under a degree of vulnerability, as you recognise you're alone in your viewpoints and you solely are responsible for defending them. Given that being social is fundamental to our survival, we'll typically form social bonds with those who agree with us or share the same interests, giving us a sense of validation and a sense of protection if we're placed under attack. This is why when we're young we tend to become involved in social groups which can be categorised under such a broad term, as when you're young you have very little life experience thus can only identify with people who share similar interests or undergo similar experiences. When you get older the amount of life experiences you have allow you to identify with a wider amount of people more easily, so the need to identify yourself with a broad term diminishes as you can still identify with people who you might not always agree with.

For a variety of reasons, not everybody gets to a point where they feel confident enough to identify as a unique, complex person whose individual thoughts and feelings should be validated with reasoned justification (I should point out that I wouldn't blame anyone for getting to this point, I know personally how this feels like and how difficult it can be to get out of this mindset). This usually results in an existential crisis, which you can handle by either isolating yourself, distracting yourself, distancing yourself by examining your existence aesthetically or anchoring yourself into a singular identity. I think a lot of the commentary (including Phil Fish and Zoe Quinn) has come from those who have chosen the latter option, where their lives are defined by video games as opposed to being a hobby that is one small aspect of a wider person. The terms gamer, indie developer, gaming journalist etc. have never been used in a singular descriptive context; the phrases themselves hold ideological connotations that describes a multitude of personality traits (so when Zoe Quinn tells you that she's an indie developer, she not just saying she makes games. She's telling you she belongs to an exclusive social circle with a very specific definition of social, political and philosophical beliefs that to be a part of, you must subscribe to). If you have nothing else in your life other than a single phrased identity, which if you think about objectively is actually quite demeaning, you're going to be very defensive about it.

The problem is now that for many people who identify solely as single phrases, this whole situation has bought their identity into disrepute. These terms for many people no longer mean "an interest in video games", it signals to people your view on this situation, which in turn signals a general impression of your social, political and philosophical views as well. It's a common occurrence in extremist politics, where a group of people who have nothing but an extremist ideology will split over a small issue, spending all their time fighting against each other rather than debating the original conflict of interest. In the same way these people which to use singular terms so people can make assumptions of them, they also make assumptions about others who use another term. In the context of the quoted article, creating a new term to argue the points identified is useless, as all that will happen is a stream of ad hominem attacks of opposing sides calling each other "gamer" and "player". It only serves benefit to those wishing to use video games as a definition of identity, not those who wish to discuss their hobby in depth.

Unfortunately, there's more money in division and sensationalism than in rationality and sensible discussion. If such a division of terms becomes popular in the mainstream, the cynic in me believes its sole usage will be used by gaming news outlets to develop a core, loyal readership that uses their news for confirmation bias. Of course that happens already and is the reason why discussion about this issue has been so vitriolic. I just hope that out of this whole issue, at least some people have become more understanding and open minded to opposing sides of debate. Whereas when I first read about this I instantly took sides, I'm pleased this issue has allowed me to think more critically and view opposing arguments as constructive rather than hyperbolic.
 
I guess they've won as far as I'm concerned.

I've been playing games since I was basically born. I want to throw them in the trash now. For as much I can commend people for staying true to themselves and fighting the professional victims, I feel like there are just more of them telling people how terrible I am for existing and that want to push something onto me that I could care less about. Like I mentioned in a previous post, this didn't start getting big until about three or four years ago. Until that point I would play a game and not give a flying fuck who the protagonist was, just that I could either enjoy the gameplay mechanics or role play just a bit to be in their shoes. To take maybe twenty or thirty minutes or even a few hours just to escape from the terrible world around me. It's not like I'm not informed, it's not like I don't know there are bigger things to worry about, it's not like I fucking played video games through 9/11. It doesn't fucking matter to me if the protagonist identified as a genderqueer genederfluid dragonkin otherwoman. The only reason I know some of those terms to belittle them with is because they wouldn't shut the fuck up about them.

So when you start pushing out the people who actually buy games, to make games that your audience gets bored with (artistic walking simulators about strong, independent womyn, HTML Depression Quests) and the interest dries up and this industry crashes again, I'll only laugh at them... and cry on the inside.

I leave you people with a song about simpler times. God damn is it terrible but it may as well be my farewell song.

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I guess they've won as far as I'm concerned.

I've been playing games since I was basically born. I want to throw them in the trash now. For as much I can commend people for staying true to themselves and fighting the professional victims, I feel like there are just more of them telling people how terrible I am for existing and that want to push something onto me that I could care less about.

Screw them. Gaming is a hobby, you have nothing to be ashamed of.

Fuck, it's more than a hobby. It's an emerging art form. And as I said before, GAMES ARE FOR EVERYBODY. Let's get some fucking positivity in this thread.


EDIT: This made me laugh really fucking hard. Found on /v/.

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