FUCK BAYONETTA

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SSj_Ness said:
It's a clunky dumb DMC wannabe.
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It's made by the same guy though.

And there are a lot of words that I would describe the game, and clunky is not one of them. (Except maybe the implementation of the QTE's. That is generally the game's only flaw.)
 
SSj_Ness said:
It's a clunky dumb DMC wannabe. Mediocre as fuck but it's not terrible.
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Yes.
Overcast said:
It's made by the same guy though.
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It isn't. Yes Hideki Kamiya is credited as the director for both games and there are some of the original engineers who have made their way from Capcom->Clover->Platinum, but Platinum isn't in the same league with the original development team for DMC.

DMC for the PS2 was both a technical and game play marvel when it was released.
The Clover games were amazing with God Hand, Viewtiful Joe, and Okami. But they were less technical marvels and more meta in gameplay for the two fighting games.
Platinum is an utterly mediocre technical developer. They put out crap like Metal Gear Rising and other forgettable titles other than the Nier sequel which was pretty and filled with whimsy but very outdated technically with a meh combat system. Bayonetta is likewise unremarkable other than the pretty package the game is wrapped in.

If Bayonetta didn't have the 'guy who made DMC' hype going for it, it would be just another nameless game in the fighting genre.

If you have never played any of the above games, play DMC1&3, God Hand first. Viewtiful Joe if you want more. Skip the crap like Metal Gear Rising. Play Nier for the whimsy not the fighting system. There is no reason to waste time on something like Bayonetta if you haven't played the much better original material when Hideki Kamiya was teamed up with better teams and not just rehashing what he did before.
 
Plank said:
Yes.

It isn't. Yes Hideki Kamiya is credited as the director for both games and there are some of the original engineers who have made their way from Capcom->Clover->Platinum, but Platinum isn't in the same league with the original development team for DMC.

DMC for the PS2 was both a technical and game play marvel when it was released.
The Clover games were amazing with God Hand, Viewtiful Joe, and Okami. But they were less technical marvels and more meta in gameplay for the two fighting games.
Platinum is an utterly mediocre technical developer. They put out crap like Metal Gear Rising and other forgettable titles other than the Nier sequel which was pretty and filled with whimsy but very outdated technically with a meh combat system. Bayonetta is likewise unremarkable other than the pretty package the game is wrapped in.

If Bayonetta didn't have the 'guy who made DMC' hype going for it, it would be just another nameless game in the fighting genre.

If you have never played any of the above games, play DMC1&3, God Hand first. Viewtiful Joe if you want more. Skip the crap like Metal Gear Rising. Play Nier for the whimsy not the fighting system. There is no reason to waste time on something like Bayonetta if you haven't played the much better original material when Hideki Kamiya was teamed up with better teams and not just rehashing what he did before.
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DMC3 and Viewtiful Joe were awesome. DMC1, I imagine was quite the marvel when it first came out, but I found it to be incredibly clunky in a lot of areas. Been a few years since I last played it though, so maybe my perspective will change. God Hand I remember watching an LP of many years back and thought it looked fun as hell. Definitely want to play that for myself at some point.

I feel Bayonetta is more or less equal with those games though. Granted, I played it before I played most of the other games mentioned, so nostalgia may be at play. (Viewtiful Joe was my first, but I never made it past the third level as a kid and only beaten it a couple years ago).
 
Overcast said:
DMC3 and Viewtiful Joe were awesome. DMC1, I imagine was quite the marvel when it first came out, but I found it to be incredibly clunky in a lot of areas. Been a few years since I last played it though, so maybe my perspective will change. God Hand I remember watching an LP of many years back and thought it looked fun as hell. Definitely want to play that for myself at some point.

I feel Bayonetta is more or less equal with those games though. Granted, I played it before I played most of the other games mentioned, so nostalgia may be at play. (Viewtiful Joe was my first, but I never made it past the third level as a kid and only beaten it a couple years ago).
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Yes. DMC1 is clunky because you had to go into the menu to switch weapons. That's why 2 let you switch guns and 3 and 4 let you also switch weapons with the triggers.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Isn't metal gear rising gloriously over the top?
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The only reason the turd of a game exists is because Microsoft was so burthurt about the complete Metal Gear Solid titles being Sony exclusives on consoles that they threw money at Konami to essentially crap out a Metal Gear reskinned version of their existing games. It is why the game had such troubled development history including the hilarious Microsoft E3 presentation with Kojima where he makes it clear he doesn't give a fuck about the game.
 
Plank said:
The only reason the turd of a game exists is because Microsoft was so burthurt about the complete Metal Gear Solid titles being Sony exclusives on consoles that they threw money at Konami to essentially crap out a Metal Gear reskinned version of their existing games. It is why the game had such troubled development history including the hilarious Microsoft E3 presentation with Kojima where he makes it clear he doesn't give a fuck about the game.
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Kojima may not have given a fuck about it but that doesn't mean its bad. Not my fault Kojima failed to make anything as gloriously hammy post-MGS2 as Senator Thomas "Break The President in Two with my Bare Hands" Armstrong or Sundowner who's been left horribly unemployed by the fall of SOP and just wants a nice steady paycheck. How's an honest warmonger supposed to make a living these days? Oh, and that's without Mistral, hot sexy just-brown-enough halfbreed, potentially au naturale where it matters, and will have you dying happier than one of Xenia Onatopp's lovers.
 
I do love the butthurt about this mediocre game.

It is like the gamers who think they badass because they played a mediocre title like Dark Souls which was nothing more than a re-skinned cashgrab by From made by their B-team of the original masterpiece Demon's Souls and then whine when they get laughed at.

Perhaps Hideki Kamiya will form a new company of the same technical calibre as the original killer developers who made DMC and his killer team at Clover. But for now he is clearly using his old tech and just slapping a new coat of paint like he did with Bayonetta or worse with crap like Metal Gear Rising.
 
Cuelost-Newloss said:
Ok so ya'know crucify me and all that shit but Bayonetta fucking sucks. The gameplay is boring, the puzzles are either too cryptic or lackluster, the boss fights are just okay and the story is mediocre at fucking BEST. Like I said previously, FUCK BAYONETTA.

Appropriate amounts of love, CLNL
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If you don't like Bayonetta that's alright. The funny thing about Bayonetta is that it really is the easiest game among the "Stylish Beat Em" Genre. In the standard difficulty Bayonetta's dodge button is so ridiculously broken as long as you use it it's pretty much impossible to die. The story only made sense to me after I read the Wikipedia summary. If you don't simply enjoy watching this sexy chick beat up giant monsters I can get why you think it's boring.

But I cannot comprehend how you think a single Bayonetta puzzles is cryptic. I'd recommend avoiding pretty much the entire Survival Horror Genre and especially DMC4's puzzles which annoyed the hell out of me. Fuck those spinning tops that you have to move around.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Quite frankly, anyone who ever took Metal Gear Seriously plot wise is a fucking faggot.

Kojima is a fart huffing baffoon writing wise.
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Everybody that takes it seriously always like to ignore Metal Gear 2 and cry that it isn't canon. Even though it is and Kojima's admitted favorite in the series.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Quite frankly, anyone who ever took Metal Gear Seriously plot wise is a fucking faggot.

Kojima is a fart huffing baffoon writing wise.
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No no, Kojima had legitimate talent. Had being the keyword there. Metal Gear 1 and 2 and MGS 1-3 are good and interesting games, and you know why? Because despite whatever deep political undertones he wrote in, they're all gloriously hammy like a Hollywood blockbuster. And so a hamfisted monologue on philosophy fits in perfectly since its not any more ridiculous than anything else going on. Solid Snake is what you get when a Japanese guy decides to mash together John Rambo and Snake Plissken into one character. Headband, mullet, stylish weapon that looks better than it really is (FAMAS). Hilariously named villains like Revolver Ocelot and Decoy Octopus. MGS2 has a bomb expert named Fatman for Christ's sake, and we all know exactly what a Japanese guy was connecting him with. MGS3 has a living beehive named The Pain who fires Bullet Bees at you, an electrokinetic Russian who spouts one-liners and has a twink BF he powerbottoms for, and more crosses, double-crosses, and triple-crosses than a Cold War spy novel.

But at some point after MGS3 he decides to get super serial with his writing and instead of bisexual Romanian vampires and Fourth Wall breaking psychics we get.... NANOMACHINES. And when you go from a ridiculous pulp-style action movie universe to something actually serious things just collapse.
 
Snekposter said:
No no, Kojima had legitimate talent. Had being the keyword there. Metal Gear 1 and 2 and MGS 1-3 are good and interesting games, and you know why? Because despite whatever deep political undertones he wrote in, they're all gloriously hammy like a Hollywood blockbuster. And so a hamfisted monologue on philosophy fits in perfectly since its not any more ridiculous than anything else going on.
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There is some level of truth in this, the over the topness made the games fun and entertaining.

But his Philosophy is fucking stupid Autism and quite frankly if he had a twitter addiction I bet he would be a lolcow.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
There is some level of truth in this, the over the topness made the games fun and entertaining.

But his Philosophy is fucking stupid Autism and quite frankly if he had a twitter addiction I bet he would be a lolcow.
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Yeah, his philosophy is autistic as hell but when the rest of the writing was autistic as well it fit in just fine. But at some point he went full retard and instead of cheesy autism all around we just got dumb idiocy.
 
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