Formula 1 Discussion - And favourite driver?

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The sky F1 commentators saying it was a fair result for Hamilton. No, it was blindingly lucky after throwing it off the road then driving his wing into a barrier trying to get out of the gravel.
 
I really wonder if Mercs are truly adhering to the rules, it's just so weird how much power they have got to spare when they aren't leading. Like Hamilton was flying past anyone up to rank 2 and no matter how talented a driver supposedly is, you won't be squeezing 10kph out of a car just by driver's skill alone.

On a sidenote
Russel interview on the crash:
Bottas:

Check out comments for the Bottas defense force.
 
Coccxys said:
That Russell Botas incident is difficult to call, mainly because the camera work at that turn was shit all race and kept missing things. The FIA will review far more data than we'll ever see and then see the result.
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I'd call it a racing incident but then again I class most coming togethers as racing incidents.

You have Russell going round the outside, Bottas goes slightly right, then Russell over reacting touching the white line and/or grass and losing control then collecting the Merc.

God damn that would have been an awesome overtake.

This year is looking like a good one.
 
Uncensored recording of the crash and yet another moment of dry Kimi goodness:

Kimi's perspective really drives home how bad this crash was with debris going all over the place.
 
Coccxys said:
That Russell Botas incident is difficult to call, mainly because the camera work at that turn was shit all race and kept missing things. The FIA will review far more data than we'll ever see and then see the result.
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Some reason, we never saw Bottas' on board, I figured that would be pretty telling to see how he was steering in the seconds leading up to the crash.
 
All the steering/pedal input data will be avaliable to the stewards though so they will be able to see what Bottas was doing on the wheel and how that differed from what anyone else did at that point more precise than a camera would show anyway. I said as soon as I saw that track it would be a red and was puzzled why is was only a safety car.
 
Coccxys said:
The sky F1 commentators saying it was a fair result for Hamilton. No, it was blindingly lucky after throwing it off the road then driving his wing into a barrier trying to get out of the gravel.
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Then again, Sky F1 might as well be Hamilton's most prominent fan club so they obviously will say the most flattering things they can possibly say about him.
 
Endu said:
Kimi Raikkonen got a 30-second penalty for "restart infringements", knocking him out of the points post-race.

God dammit.
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Stroll got a 5 second penalty for passing Gasly off the track and is now 8th, too.

Also Wolff is pissed at Russel for insinuating that Bottas caused the crash (and lowkey suggesting that Bottas did it to Russel on purpose and would not have done to any other driver).

Mercedes Formula 1 boss Toto Wolff has dismissed George Russell’s theory about his huge Emilia Romagna Grand Prix crash with Valtteri Bottas as “bullshit”.
The pair suffered a violent crash when Russell lost control of his Williams while attempting to overtake Bottas at the fast kink on the run to the Tamburello chicane.
Both cars were sent spearing into the barriers on the left-hand side of the track, before having a second big impact with the wall to the right of the circuit at the first corner.
A furious Russell claimed that Bottas broke the 'gentleman’s agreement’ and used a “sort of Verstappen move of 2015” by squeezing him unnecessarily. He even went as far as to suggest the Finn might have avoided the crash had it been another driver.
But Wolff was not impressed by Russell’s explanation, responding: “That’s bullshit. The whole situation is absolutely not amusing for us, to be honest. It’s quite a big shunt.
“Our car is a write-off and in a cost-cap environment that is certainly not what we needed and it’s probably going to limit the upgrades that we are able to do.
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Hope this doesn't mess up Russel's chances of joining Mercedes.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
Stroll got a 5 second penalty for passing Gasly off the track and is now 8th, too.

Also Wolff is pissed at Russel for insinuating that Bottas caused the crash (and lowkey suggesting that Bottas did it to Russel on purpose and would not have done to any other driver).



Hope this doesn't mess up Russel's chances of joining Mercedes.
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Until I see evidence to the contrary I am calling the Russell/Bottas fracas a product of close racing. When it works it's transcendent; when it doesn't it's spectacular for different reasons.

If Russell really did rap Bottas on the helmet following the crash then that shows a remarkable absence of judgement, given that you don't know what state someone is in after a shunt like that. That, along with his comments afterwards, call his maturity as a driver into question.

Raikkonen's laconic observation that he'd been sprayed "with all kinds of fucking shit" made the race for me. I'm going to miss that guy when goes.
 
Weeb Slinger said:
Until I see evidence to the contrary I am calling the Russell/Bottas fracas a product of close racing. When it works it's transcendent; when it doesn't it's spectacular for different reasons.

If Russell really did rap Bottas on the helmet following the crash then that shows a remarkable absence of judgement, given that you don't know what state someone is in after a shunt like that. That, along with his comments afterwards, call his maturity as a driver into question.

Raikkonen's laconic observation that he'd been sprayed "with all kinds of fucking shit" made the race for me. I'm going to miss that guy when goes.
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Kimi will be more of a legend of F1 than Hamilton and Vettel combined. The man's seen it all and done it all. He doesn't give a fuck about anything but driving cars fast.
 
Weeb Slinger said:
Until I see evidence to the contrary I am calling the Russell/Bottas fracas a product of close racing. When it works it's transcendent; when it doesn't it's spectacular for different reasons.
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It's a racing incident. Russel was way faster and wanted to pass on the outside, Bottas was going to the right a little and in a split second reaction, Russel went too far to the right himself to avoid a crash and got on the grass, which ironically lead to the crash. Technically, Bottas left him enough space, but at the speed everything unfolded, a misunderstanding was very likely.
I am eager to find out what FIA is going to say about this crash, it's really hard to tell. One thing is for certain, neither Bottas nor Russel crashed on purpose...

Weeb Slinger said:
If Russell really did rap Bottas on the helmet following the crash then that shows a remarkable absence of judgement, given that you don't know what state someone is in after a shunt like that. That, along with his comments afterwards, call his maturity as a driver into question.
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Now, let's not get carried away here. It's not like he punched a guy in the face who was still twitching from spinal injury. The slap was an absolutely unnecessary thing to do, but this isn't exactly a rarity in any kind of motor sport.

The Grognard said:
He doesn't give a fuck about anything but driving cars fast.
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Well, that and the drink.
 
i get what you guys are saying about lewis' suspiciously good luck, but in my opinion... if they really wanted to cheat one of them would just to a low-speed spin by themselves into a wall latifi/style, not put both of their lives on the line, just for an advantage in race.
 
Full Race Replay said:
i get what you guys are saying about lewis' suspiciously good luck, but in my opinion... if they really wanted to cheat one of them would just to a low-speed spin by themselves into a wall latifi/style, not put both of their lives on the line, just for an advantage in race.
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Yeah, no one would fake a crash like that, it was way too dangerous, but if someone wanted to fake a crash to help out Hamilton, that would have been the perfect moment and the two people involved would be the prime suspects.

This is an absurd amount of luck, to have a red flag at the most convenient time in the most convenient way.

fml:
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Yeah geez. It's not like a free pitstop and a tight field after a restart had anything to do with that. Compare it to Russell at Sakhir who did the same thing twice without a restart helping him out.
Also, speaking of Russel, Hamilton threw his car away when trying to lap Russell and then Russell accused Bottas of causing the collision, I really hope there is no lasting effect on Russell's career.
FIA said there is no reason to penalise either party, since Bottas left enough room and Russel lost the car after hitting a wet patch, so at least there's that.
 
Y'know, I just saw this thread from the main page and I have no interest in the topic. I'm just here to ask if anyone has made the "grand pricks" joke yet.
 
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Just stumbled over this gem:


This would be so cool to have during a race... maybe it'll be added one day. You'd have to add something to blurr or black out the steering wheel so teams can retain secret aspects of their car setup, but think of the footage of wheel to wheel racing with a perspective like that.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
Yeah, no one would fake a crash like that, it was way too dangerous, but if someone wanted to fake a crash to help out Hamilton, that would have been the perfect moment and the two people involved would be the prime suspects.

This is an absurd amount of luck, to have a red flag at the most convenient time in the most convenient way.

fml:

Yeah geez. It's not like a free pitstop and a tight field after a restart had anything to do with that. Compare it to Russell at Sakhir who did the same thing twice without a restart helping him out.
Also, speaking of Russel, Hamilton threw his car away when trying to lap Russell and then Russell accused Bottas of causing the collision, I really hope there is no lasting effect on Russell's career.
FIA said there is no reason to penalise either party, since Bottas left enough room and Russel lost the car after hitting a wet patch, so at least there's that.
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Exactly. There's no way that was a purposeful crash due to how dangerous it was. But the optics are so bad.

Hamilton derps his way into the gravel and wallows there for an eternity, then Bottas, who just couldn't pull it together and may not have even been in the points, gets in a red flag incident about a lap later, allowing Hamilton to unfuck himself for free and stay at the top of the championship.

That scenario netted Mercedes far more points than they would have legitimately earned without the red flags. Hamilton was limping back to the pits with at least another minute of delay for repairs while already a lap down when the accident happened. Without free repairs and unlapping, would he have been able to navigate the field to second place? Doubtful.

tl;dr - Hamilton is such a lucky little bitch.
 
Wargarbl said:
Exactly. There's no way that was a purposeful crash due to how dangerous it was. But the optics are so bad.

Hamilton derps his way into the gravel and wallows there for an eternity, then Bottas, who just couldn't pull it together and may not have even been in the points, gets in a red flag incident about a lap later, allowing Hamilton to unfuck himself for free and stay at the top of the championship.

That scenario netted Mercedes far more points than they would have legitimately earned without the red flags. Hamilton was limping back to the pits with at least another minute of delay for repairs while already a lap down when the accident happened. Without free repairs and unlapping, would he have been able to navigate the field to second place? Doubtful.

tl;dr - Hamilton is such a lucky little bitch.
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To insinuate that Hamilton pretty much won the lottery with the red flag will net you rather nasty comments by his dicksuckers, it's a fucking shame.
Let's just hope Hamilton never has a kid that becomes an F1 driver
 
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