Formula 1 Discussion - And favourite driver?

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RomanesEuntDomus said:
Now, let's not get carried away here. It's not like he punched a guy in the face who was still twitching from spinal injury. The slap was an absolutely unnecessary thing to do, but this isn't exactly a rarity in any kind of motor sport.
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Also, the slow mo shots after the crash showed the bottas was flipping the bird at Russel as you guys pointed out (I bet they were shouting at each other too), so that could have added to/provoked Russel's anger more than if he went over and Valteri was looking like Ratzenberger after his fatal crash (look it up if you want).
 
737 MAX Stan Account said:
The Mercedes defense force has wasted zero time attributing his podium finish to his skill.
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I guess it's technically correct, because Bottas would have found a way to fuck it up given the same easy path to 2nd. So I guess it was skill-related, if you ignore the silver platter situation Hamilton was handed. It would have been much more interesting if Perez was ahead of Hamilton for the restart and he had to overtake a competitive car instead of a bunch of cars he was 30+ mph faster than in the passing zone.

Also, unrelated, I'll eat a little crow: Mazespin managed to look pretty average in a race that made better drivers look below average. Perhaps he's not a completely lost cause. Credit where due.
 
When I saw that Mazepin was involved in Latifi's accident, I was about to laugh my ass off, but then the replay came on and it turned out that Latifi struck Mazepin.
He didn't have a stellar race, but it wasn't atrocious and the Haas really doesn't lend itself to greatness. Schumacher and Mazepin are basically like F2 interns in those cars.

So yeah, two rookies in a bad car. I would not dismiss either of them, Mazepin first and foremost gets Twittertards mad, so there's a lot of bad things said about him, but he's in a very early stage of his driving career (assuming he won't quit quickly, that is), so who knows? It's just kinda funny that if he actually becomes decent, he's still stuck in a Haas and I doubt Daddy Mazepin can make that car competetive tbh.
Stroll at least has the Racingpoint/Force India/Jordan experience in his team, I don't know if Haas has anything to offer on a similar level.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
He didn't have a stellar race, but it wasn't atrocious and the Haas really doesn't lend itself to greatness. Schumacher and Mazepin are basically like F2 interns in those cars.

So yeah, two rookies in a bad car. I would not dismiss either of them, Mazepin first and foremost gets Twittertards mad, so there's a lot of bad things said about him, but he's in a very early stage of his driving career (assuming he won't quit quickly, that is), so who knows?
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I'm conflicted about Mazepin. On one hand he's the most egregious example of a pay driver F1 has seen in a while. On the other hand, he's really good at upsetting both Twitter and Reddit simultaneously.

As for Mick, he really didn't have a choice. Previous year's F2 champion automatically becomes current year's F1 intern, and there aren't many teams that'll take a rookie unless there's a pre-existing relationship i.e. they're part of an F1 team's junior driver development program (Tsunoda being current year's example).

RomanesEuntDomus said:
It's just kinda funny that if he actually becomes decent, he's still stuck in a Haas and I doubt Daddy Mazepin can make that car competetive tbh.
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From my armchair, Daddy Mazepin would have to basically drop everything else and focus on the Haas racing team business. It's easier for Stroll the Elder to put more resources (not just money, but also time) into AM, because he's also balls deep in AM's road car business and appears to be giving anything AM-branded most of his attention rn.

RomanesEuntDomus said:
Stroll at least has the Racingpoint/Force India/Jordan experience in his team, I don't know if Haas has anything to offer on a similar level.
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Again, from the armchair... Haas' biggest issue is that it feels like a vanity project and/or a tax dodge for Gene Haas rather than a true and honest F1 team. The only hope Haas has is if Mazepin the Elder feels like getting into a pissing contest with Stroll the Elder and buys the Haas team, yeeting Gene and his posse with it. Even then, the team would still lack the depth of experience that AM has amassed through decades of continuous F1 participation in its various incarnations.
 
Pee Cola said:
I'm conflicted about Mazepin. On one hand he's the most egregious example of a pay driver F1 has seen in a while. On the other hand, he's really good at upsetting both Twitter and Reddit simultaneously.
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I don't really like him, but I don't really dislike him either.

As long as he's not a threat to any other driver, I don't care what he does on track. The way I see it, he either is a decent driver, and he'll be unremarkable, or he'll be a driver that constantly spins his car into a gravel pit or wall and needs it towed, which will throw every team's pit strategy into a blender. So in either case, it's neat. If he ends up causing incidents with other drivers, I hope the FIA will tell him to get lost before he gets someone injured.
 
Mazepin was pretty solid in F2 last year so it's not like he just wandered in. The problem is that Haas is awful and so probably the hardest car on that grid to drive. Mick has had an incident in both this year's grand prix too and no one is denying him being a good driver.

I think it's just another sky pundits have decided the narrative they want to make and will make events fit. Think of all the constant negativity about Albon last year, he wasn't setting the world alight but if you listened to Sky you would have thought he was incapable of driving and Red bull were insane to let him in the car. They hand wave a lot of mistakes and bad results by some drivers while really focusing in on the mistakes of others.
 
According to Grosjean last year, Haas cars suffer from some imbalance issue, where the balance and stiffness of the rear springs actually shifts depending on how hot the engine is running.
That sounds like it was a fucking pain to deal with for a veteran driver, imagine being a rookie and you're forced to deal with a car that very gradually changes the way how it handles corners and straights over the course of a couple laps and the moment you slow down due to Safety Car or whatever, the balance goes somewhere else entirely.
 
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Over/under on this thing showing up again?
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Anyone ready for the blandest track ever developed? Simulated lap of Miami, looks like Socci mk2 to me. There are no corners or bits elevation changes I could say would be exciting or would be great to see an F1 car go through. They are getting almost exclusively negative comments on social media with a lot of Socci and Abu Dhabi comparisons.

 
Coccxys said:
Anyone ready for the blandest track ever developed? Simulated lap of Miami, looks like Socci mk2 to me. There are no corners or bits elevation changes I could say would be exciting or would be great to see an F1 car go through. They are getting almost exclusively negative comments on social media with a lot of Socci and Abu Dhabi comparisons.

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For me, it's very hard to tell how a track would fare during an actual race tbh, but this track does reek like Socchi for the most part.
I do like that there's 2 very long high speed sections (with one being a long straight and the other having some long running corners) and there are a few nice corners here and there. Like at 30s, there is a very unusual breaking point/apex that might catch a few drivers unaware or allow various ways of entering and accelerating out of that corner.

Unfortunately, the track looks like the kind of track that will be one hell of a safety car extravaganza, whenever someone even just mildly clips a wall. Even just someone blowing his engine and stopping his car at some of these places will be a bitch to remove from the track...

So yeah, it really depends on how it'll all turn out and how much 2022 cars will handle wheel-to-wheel racing and using another car's slipstream... it could be a decent track, but I can see it be yet another "watch cars go around the track without anyone being able to even attempt an overtake".
 
Coccxys said:
Those two long straights just reek of "let's design a track for the DRS age" to me. Make driving past other cars with a speed advantage the only overtakes then have idiots look at the number of overtakes and exclaim how good a gp it was.
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That came to my mind, too, but I am the kind of helpless optimist, that really hopes for the new aero-setup to allow for more action than just "Hit DRS button and fly past the other car thanks to an artificial advantage". If the new rules allow cars to really follow each other and stay close during tight and fast corners alike, races would become a lot more interesting with overtakes happening at more than just a handful of places on the track.
If the two straights turn out to be the designated "push button receive overtake" location that we're used to nowadays, then thanks but no thanks.
 
I don't know about F1 fans but I've found amateur racing leagues like Gridlife to be way more entertaining compared to F1. The drivers are also just normal people you can hit up a conversation with if you happen to be at the event spectating.
 
Coccxys said:
Anyone ready for the blandest track ever developed? Simulated lap of Miami, looks like Socci mk2 to me. There are no corners or bits elevation changes I could say would be exciting or would be great to see an F1 car go through. They are getting almost exclusively negative comments on social media with a lot of Socci and Abu Dhabi comparisons.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5ZQrprQNS-c
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I stand by my opinion that F1 should at the very least test out either the Daytona or Talladega Super Speedways. Mainly because I have a Jeremy Clarkson-esque need for SPEED AND POWAH!!!!

 
There are a million great tracks all over the world that we don’t get because it's not a "destination" grand prix. This is being made in Miami not because someone looked and said "I can make a great track there" they did it because they wanted a grand prix in Miami and said "what can we make work". Look at all the amazing tracks we raced at last season that we'll probably never see again because those great tracks aren't in locations where liberty can make silly money.
 
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