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People bitched and moaned like crazy through the Schumacher and Vettel eras saying it was boring but now it's even more predictable it's apparently amazing and the greatest driver ever is the dominant one. Bull shit.

Russel showed Bottas was some top of his game driver that Hamilton was trouncing every week by going out there and doing the exact same to him that Hamilton does. There was a piece that came out saying how we couldn't judge Russell's performance against Bottas because he was having an off weekend, like leave it out the emperorclothes have been off for a long time at this point and no amount of "think" pieces will convince us he's got the finest clothing on.
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I think you mean Brits. They are the ones who will gladly ignore that Hamilton's got just about all the advantages that Schumi and Vettel had and then some in the form of this new american owner of F1 who's trying to make him the face of F1. Those who have followed F1 for longer are still gonna rate Schumi above Hamilton because it was quite a bit harder to stay at the top back then because everyone was throwing money at the sport and car development was unrestrained. Also, Schumi liked this very oversteery set-up that others who tested it considered near impossible to drive.
 
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I think you mean Brits. They are the ones who will gladly ignore that Hamilton's got just about all the advantages that Schumi and Vettel had and then some in the form of this new american owner of F1 who's trying to make him the face of F1. Those who have followed F1 for longer are still gonna rate Schumi above Hamilton because it was quite a bit harder to stay at the top back then because everyone was throwing money at the sport and car development was unrestrained. Also, Schumi liked this very oversteery set-up that others who tested it considered near impossible to drive.
Vettel made a fairly good point when he said that you can't really compare Schumi and Hamilton... and by extension, every other driver of different eras.
Someone who drove 3 seasons in the 1960s can never be close to the top record holders, but no one doubts that it took more guts to drive one season back then, when literally every little bounce on the track could mean your death, than it is driving the entire last 10 seasons combined. I mean, Bianchi, Hubert (F2, but still) and Grosjean have shown how dangerous the sport still is, but it's a long shot from even 30 years ago.

Vettel said that you can only really compare drivers amongst their era. I think what I'm trying to say: The likes of Mansell, Lauda, Stewart, Prost might be far behind in victories, championships and so on, but no one would ever dare questioning their talent and accomplishments. No one will take that away, not even Hamilton, no matter how many races he'll win.
 
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I just ead that Hamilton apparently hasn't signed a new contract for 2021 yet. He demands a 45 million wage and he want to be a brand-ambassador for Mercedes (basically the same as what Vettel will be for Aston Martin as far as I understand). and the Mercedes boss is apparently against it. Now that would be funny.: Hamilton doesn't get a contract and a certain 22 year old driver gets it. I know that is very unrealisitc but it would be funny. Though would a 45 million wage be justified in this times? Maybe he is really overplaying his hand
 
Best thing now would be if Hamilton is replaced by Russel for a few races next season (preferably on racetracks where Hamilton raced last season), Russel winning easily while also possibly getting better times than Hamilton and thus proving that Hamilton is not GOAT Driver that his fanboys treat him as...
I'm the first to acknowledge that Hambone is the most successful F1 driver of all time thus far. But the GOAT? Hell no. The problem is that there are too many Hambone fanboys conflating wins and skill, and the (mainly British) pundits are perpetuating this myth.

If there were 20+ races on the F1 calendar back in the 1990s or the 2000s. Hambone's record would look less impressive.

I just ead that Hamilton apparently hasn't signed a new contract for 2021 yet. He demands a 45 million wage and he want to be a brand-ambassador for Mercedes (basically the same as what Vettel will be for Aston Martin as far as I understand). and the Mercedes boss is apparently against it. Now that would be funny.: Hamilton doesn't get a contract and a certain 22 year old driver gets it. I know that is very unrealisitc but it would be funny. Though would a 45 million wage be justified in this times? Maybe he is really overplaying his hand
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If there were 20+ races on the F1 calendar back in the 1990s or the 2000s. Hambone's record would look less impressive.
The Formula 1 season of 1955 had 7 races... one of which was the Indianapolis 500. One victory in that season is easily worth half a season of victories in this decade.
 
I am happy about this news as it means now the European venues Q and Race will be on, for my time zone anyway, at 9AM instead of 10AM. I was pissed when they altered it as getting up at 8 or so and having the race end before 11 left me with more time to enjoy the day. So, yteah, works for me, bring it on!

F1 races to start on the hour again in 2021​

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6th January 2021, 8:00 | Written by Dieter Rencken and Keith Collantine

Formula 1 plans to reinstate the practice of starting races on the hour this year, RaceFans has learned.

The change will be discussed between Formula 1 and teams, and is expected to win approval.

The start times for Formula 1 races were moved to 10 minutes past the hour in 2018. This was done in order to allow broadcasters to begin their coverage on the hour with 10 minutes of introduction before the formation lap began.

Formula 1 expected benefits from the change when it was introduced. “Usually broadcasters go on air precisely at the hour hence they miss the tension and emotion that characterise the minutes before the start of each grand prix,” it stated at the time.

It expected starting races at 10 minutes past the hour would mean “television spectators will be brought closer to the teams and the drivers and fully enjoy the spectacle offered just before the red lights go off.” However the practise has now fallen out of favour, and the simpler arrangement of starting races at the top of the hour is preferred.

In a further change which will also be discussed, Formula 1 may also bring the start times for European races forward by an hour. Most European races began at 3:10pm local time last year; this year’s races could therefore start at 2pm instead.

The start times are yet to be confirmed for races on the 2021 F1 calendar. However, as RaceFans revealed last week, the season-opening Australian Grand Prix is expected to be postponed from its March 21st date, which will make the Bahrain Grand Prix on March 28th the first race of the new championship.
SOURCE: https://www.racefans.net/2021/01/06/f1-races-will-start-on-the-hour-again-in-2021/

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I just ead that Hamilton apparently hasn't signed a new contract for 2021 yet. He demands a 45 million wage and he want to be a brand-ambassador for Mercedes (basically the same as what Vettel will be for Aston Martin as far as I understand). and the Mercedes boss is apparently against it. Now that would be funny.: Hamilton doesn't get a contract and a certain 22 year old driver gets it. I know that is very unrealisitc but it would be funny. Though would a 45 million wage be justified in this times? Maybe he is really overplaying his hand
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I saw somewhat similar article that mentioned 35M£:

HOW MERCEDES F1 CHANGES COMPLICATE HAMILTON’S 2021 DEAL​

Jan 6 2021
By Mark Hughes

Eleven weeks until the start of the 2021 Formula 1 season (assuming Melbourne is, as expected, postponed) and still the world champion has not signed a contract with his team.
Sir Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes remain committed to each other in theory – but not yet on paper.

“We are not worried about eventually getting it done…” said Toto Wolff last month.
“We are not putting a special date to it because we don’t want to be under pressure. Sooner or later it needs to be done and, at the latest, before we go testing.”

The December announcement of the revised shareholding in the team is probably where we should be looking for the real explanation of the delay in F1’s best driver and best team tying the knot to extend their eight-year partnership.

The automotive parent company Daimler Benz has reduced its shareholding in the team from 60% to 33%. Energy company and former sponsor Ineos has become a 33% shareholder – with team boss Wolff the other one-third partner (previously he owned 30%).

It’s against this corporate background that Hamilton has been negotiating his contract.
He won’t be cheap – and the grapevine suggests he’s pushing for a £35million annual retainer plus a share in prize money and possibly a future role in the team in addition to/after that of driving.

It would be a tough negotiation even in normal times, but against the redrawn commercial landscape of COVID and a major ownership restructure of the Mercedes team, it’s sure to be even trickier.

Daimler has been forced to make extensive redundancies due to the pandemic and structural changes in the industry as it moves inexorably towards electrification.

So the granting of such a high-profile, high-paying contract to Hamilton is difficult in its timing.

But on the other hand, the company’s significantly reduced share in the team means it could still be making an overall saving on its F1 budget, especially now with the cost cap applied. It’s probably more a question of tone than money.

Similarly, it’s unknown where new co-owner Ineos boss Jim Ratcliffe stands in the negotiation and whether or not he will simply be guided by Wolff’s management of the situation.

What we do know is that both the team and Hamilton definitely want to extend the partnership. We’d judge the likelihood of him not continuing to be remote.

We believe the situation will be resolved significantly before testing begins. But this is F1…
SOURCE: https://the-race.com/formula-1/how-...mplicate-lewis-hamiltons-2021-contract-talks/
 
and possibly a future role in the team in addition to/after that of driving.
Yeah, once he's done driving, they'll need someone for whining about bad tyres, he can do that from the sidelines without a necessity of a radio in the future.

Any joking aside, here's to hoping they have talks with Williams and Russel in the background. If Hamilton manages to demand too much after Russel has proven that he's incredibly easy to replace... yeah. I don't mind.
 
As a hypothetical, would the negative press from dropping Hamilton really have an impact on Mercedes? I'm sure they'd be more than happy to outright drop any sort of diversity initiative he's trying to bring in, and Russell would clearly not be as picky when negotiating a contract.

I'm guessing you'd have accusations of racism and all that from dropping SIR Lewis, but I think the average F1 fan would be happy if that ended up happening. I'm still fully expecting them to reach a deal, but I bet the thought has crossed Toto's mind.
 
As a hypothetical, would the negative press from dropping Hamilton really have an impact on Mercedes? I'm sure they'd be more than happy to outright drop any sort of diversity initiative he's trying to bring in, and Russell would clearly not be as picky when negotiating a contract.
I bet Crofty and the boys would bring that up at least once like they were talking about Marzipan at the Abu Dhabi gp 2020. and there could be the dreaded social media outrage but the team will keep winning or at the very least staying near the top and that's good for their marketing.
 
The CEO of Daimler (the owners of mercades) is apparently not a big fan of Hamilton, he was openly in favour of signing Vettel when it was announced he was leaving Ferrari. Hamilton is asking too much if he wants to be the face of Mercedes, he's fine as an employee of their race division but not representing the main company. There isn't a big crossover between people who buy Mercedes cars and who want to listen to Hamilton wank off about veganism, climate change and da blacks. Toto said the last contract talks took 10 hours so why the hold up this time? There is definitely some sticking point, especially since as of today Hamilton is technically unemployed as his contract expired yesterday.

All that said Mercedes have registered Hamilton as their driver for 2021 and paid the entrance fee with the FIA. It isn't a huge expense (for them) but it certainly makes their intentions clear and would probably be a pain to change it out.
 
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All this talk of the unlikable shitter in front when all I want is another plucky HRT / Minardi / Andrea Moda to root for.

Haas has been too competent outwith the Rich Energy debacle and this past season. And Williams is just sad. Give me the days of 2010-2013 where you had the Sakon Yamamoto's of the world LARP as serious drivers in shitboxes even your gran'd be ashamed to commandeer.
 
All this talk of the unlikable shitter in front when all I want is another plucky HRT / Minardi / Andrea Moda to root for.

Haas has been too competent outwith the Rich Energy debacle and this past season. And Williams is just sad. Give me the days of 2010-2013 where you had the Sakon Yamamoto's of the world LARP as serious drivers in shitboxes even your gran'd be ashamed to commandeer.
The problem today is that money's very tight for motorsports and getting a slot's quite a bit harder than it was back in the 90's, the golden age of random no-name teams. Though, hopefully the budget cap is gonna solve this problem as long as they actually allow a new entry.
 
The problem today is that money's very tight for motorsports and getting a slot's quite a bit harder than it was back in the 90's, the golden age of random no-name teams. Though, hopefully the budget cap is gonna solve this problem as long as they actually allow a new entry.
I think the new owners of f1 are more worried about their image, which is why the entry fee is so high.
 
The days of buy a car, go racing are far gone now unfortunately. Its not the entry fee or budget cap that's killed it, its the list of prescribed parts. Back in the day you could buy last season's design off another team and away you went. Now a lot has to be designed from scratch (around parts you have to buy like ECU, and functionally the engine) while still being able to meet the 107% time, not an easy thing to acoumplish when it's those mercs you have to be within 107% of.

In other news Cyril Abitebul has been removed as team principal of Renault. The company are calling it a reshuffle for the rebrand of the team to Alpine but Cyril has completely left the Renault group rather than being shuffled into another job at the company. Seems odd to have occurred just like that especially when he's steered the team to 3 podiums this season, a fight for 3rd in the constructors and has got Alonso to sign.

True he missed both of the (ridiculous) targets that were placed on the team but that's not his fault. A podium by 2018 and contending a championship by 2020 were laughable especially against that Merc. Smells a bit like office politics and a "fuck you I quit", hopefully it doesn't screw Renault/Alpine I want to see what Alonso can make out of that team for 2022.

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The days of buy a car, go racing are far gone now unfortunately. Its not the entry fee or budget cap that's killed it, its the list of prescribed parts. Back in the day you could buy last season's design off another team and away you went. Now a lot has to be designed from scratch (around parts you have to buy like ECU, and functionally the engine) while still being able to meet the 107% time, not an easy thing to acoumplish when it's those mercs you have to be within 107% of.

In other news Cyril Abitebul has been removed as team principal of Renault. The company are calling it a reshuffle for the rebrand of the team to Alpine but Cyril has completely left the Renault group rather than being shuffled into another job at the company. Seems odd to have occurred just like that especially when he's steered the team to 3 podiums this season, a fight for 3rd in the constructors and has got Alonso to sign.

True he missed both of the (ridiculous) targets that were placed on the team but that's not his fault. A podium by 2018 and contending a championship by 2020 were laughable especially against that Merc. Smells a bit like office politics and a "fuck you I quit", hopefully it doesn't screw Renault/Alpine I want to see what Alonso can make out of that team for 2022.

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So, will he still get that tattoo?

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Interesting stuff from the rumor mill:

 
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3 articles for your reading pleasure, new calendar, testing change, RedBull engine saga.

2021 F1 calendar​

The first draft of the 2021 F1 calendar was published by Formula 1 on November 10th 2020.

It followed a heavily disrupted 2020 season in which many races were cancelled or postponed due to the global pandemic. Covid-19 continued to force F1 to adapt its schedule, and the first changes were announced in January of the new year.

The races in Australia, which was due to hold the season-opener, and China, originally the venue for the third round of the championship, were delayed. While Australia was given a new date in November, with knock-on changes to other races around the same time, the Chinese race was not immediately rescheduled.

An additional race at Imola in Italy was announced to take the place of China’s early-season slot. The original calendar also included a race at an undetermined venue, which remains to be confirmed.

The 73rd running of the world championship will also see the addition of a new race in Saudi Arabia on the streets of Jeddah. The Dutch Grand Prix, which was supposed to return at Zandvoort in 2020 but fell foul of the pandemic, was confirmed for a September date.
However other new races the sport aspired to hold in Miami, USA and Hanoi, Vietnam were not confirmed.

2021 F1 calendar of races​

RoundCircuitDate
1Bahrain International CircuitMar 26-28
2ImolaApr 16-18
3TBC [LNS says...Turkey]Apr 30-May 2
4Circuit de CatalunyaMay 7-9
5MonacoMay 20-23
6Baku City CircuitJun 4-6
7Circuit Gilles VilleneuveJun 11-13
8Paul RicardJun 25-27
9Red Bull RingJul 2-4
10SilverstoneJul 16-18
11HungaroringJul 30-Aug 1
12Spa-FrancorchampsAug 27-29
13ZandvoortSep 3-5
14MonzaSep 10-12
15Sochi AutodromSep 24-26
16SingaporeOct 1-3
17SuzukaOct 8-10
18Circuit of the AmericasOct 22-24
19Autodromo Hermanos RodriguezOct 29-31
20InterlagosNov 5-7
21Albert ParkNov 19-21
22JeddahDec 3-5
23Yas MarinaDec 10-12
SOURCE: https://www.racefans.net/2021-f1-season/2021-f1-calendar/

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F1 to move pre-season testing from Spain to Bahrain​

2021 F1 season​

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12th January 2021, 13:07 | Written by Dieter Rencken and Keith Collantine

Formula 1 teams have agreed to delay and relocate pre-season testing, RaceFans understands. The move comes as changes were announced to the opening rounds of the new season.

A revised 2021 F1 calendar was revealed today. The Australian Grand Prix has been postponed from mid-March to November, making the Bahrain Grand Prix on March 28th the first race of the new season.

Teams have therefore agreed to delay pre-season testing, which was due to take place at the Circuit de Catalunya at the beginning of the month. It will now be held in Bahrain from March 12th-14th. Last year’s pre-season tests were concluded by the end of February.

Bahrain last held pre-season test sessions in 2014, which followed another test at Jerez in Spain. While testing in Spain offers the advantage of being closer to the teams’ bases, weather conditions at the desert track are more reliable and predictable.

Teams will have just three days of running with their new cars ahead of the season, compared to six last year. However their cars are expected to be substantially similar to those raced last year as the technical regulations are largely unchanged and a ‘token’ system has been introduced limiting how far teams can alter their previous designs.
SOURCE: https://www.racefans.net/2021/01/12/f1-to-move-pre-season-testing-from-spain-to-bahrain/
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RED BULL CLOSING ON HONDA ENGINE DEAL WITH FRESH FREEZE TALKS​

6 hours ago
By Scott Mitchell

Renewed discussions over an early Formula 1 engine development freeze mean Red Bull is closing on a deal to take over Honda’s engine from 2022 onwards.

Honda is leaving F1 at the end of this year, leaving its partners Red Bull and AlphaTauri in need of an alternative engine supply.

The preferred solution outlined months ago is for Red Bull to take over Honda’s products and information and maintain the engines itself with a beefed-up facility in Milton Keynes and most likely some third-party support.

Red Bull and Honda have fostered a strong relationship during their partnership, which began in earnest with a visit by senior Red Bull personnel to Honda’s Sakura base ahead of the junior team Toro Rosso running Honda engines in 2018.

The strength of this relationship was indicated by the swift revelation from Honda’s F1 project leader Masashi Yamamoto to The Race that supporting a plan for Red Bull to take over the engines beyond 2021 was realistic.

Private discussions between Red Bull and Honda took place to establish the specifics of their arrangement but the bigger issue for Red Bull has been to negotiate with rivals over the engine freeze, which would protect Red Bull from taking on development requirements during 2022.

Red Bull has insisted for some time that it is unable to foot the bill or have the technical capacity to develop the Honda power unit, which is being heavily revised for this year already, and can only maintain the V6 turbo-hybrid engine.

Under the current rules, manufacturers would be allowed to develop their power units between the end of 2021 and the end of 2022, which would give Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari an opportunity to gain performance vs the 2021 Honda carry-over.

The negotiation process has spilled into this year despite claims from Red Bull it needed to be resolved by November, and then December.

The Race understands it is back on the agenda as of this week and at least two parties involved are believed to be confident a resolution is close.

The reason for the delay in getting this finalised is in its complexity. Rival manufacturers have been open to compromise and granting Red Bull the freeze it desires, but some fundamental positions clash.

Ferrari wanted an early next-generation engine (in 2025 rather than 2026) and ‘convergence’ mechanism that would allow a manufacturer with a substantial performance deficit at the point of the freeze a way of bolstering their performance.

The Italian manufacturer is catching up its rival engine makers after a big decrease in performance last year following multiple FIA technical directives, while Red Bull team boss Christian Horner was also in favour of that kind of “safety net”.

Mercedes and Renault were vehemently opposed, going as far as calling it a Balance of Performance-style system and labelling it unnecessary as engine performance has closed up anyway.

While the process of finding common ground within that mess has been dragged out, it is nearing a conclusion.

Meanwhile, Red Bull and Honda’s negotiations are understood to have swiftly moved in a good direction and gained support from Honda in Japan, not just its F1 operation, early in the process.

They established what Red Bull wanted to request from Honda and by the end of 2020 it is believed both parties were largely in agreement, and awaiting news of whether the regulations would be changed.

The freeze was therefore the only factor holding up an engine takeover being formalised as it defined the details and practicalities that Red Bull and Honda would have to consider.

In addition to agreeing that Red Bull will take over part of Honda’s Milton Keynes facility, and expand its own Red Bull Technologies campus as well, it is expected that the takeover plan will include at least some Honda personnel remaining involved beyond 2021.

Yamamoto told The Race in December: “It is very difficult to say suddenly goodbye in the opening race in Melbourne, in 2022, practically.

“I think they will need some kind of support. I’m not sure the length, or how much. But we will support somehow.”
SOURCE: https://the-race.com/formula-1/red-bull-closing-on-honda-engine-deal-with-fresh-freeze-talks/
 
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It's pretty much confirmed at this point that Daimler is the partner blocking all of Hamilton's dumb ass demands. He's repotedly after a 4 year deal at $50 mil a year and a free hypercar (the one with the F1 engine in it).

I don't think he's realised he isn't the one holding the cards here. If he leaves merc will have their pick of any driver on the grid (who would pass on that offer?) and they are guaranteed to be double champions in 2021 no matter who turns up.

The smooth brains keep saying shit like mercades can't afford to lose him because of all the money he bring in, like the sponsors would suddenly drop out of having their logo on the best car on the grid because he left.

Mercades made Hamilton not the other way around and Russel proved he can perform as well as Hamilton in a car he doesn't fit into and hasn't regularly driven before (on a track he's never driven before). Russel would also be cheaper, a better brand ambassador and would spend less time telling the world that the company that pays his (huge) cheques is full of evil racists.

All that said I fully expect a blink and a contract confirmed sooner rather than later.
 
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It'd also be nice if this thread didn't only have me being a sad bugger watching every bit of motorsports there was.
So, the F4UAE championship got under way yesterday, 5 rounds, 4 races each round. Just about to watch race 1 which streamed last night while I was in dreamland.

But it reminded to go and find this year's version of a great motorsports calendar I came across 2 or 3 years ago. This is a great resource and contains links to where you can view the races.

I quoted you @WhiskeyZuluLima as I remembered your comment about being all-in when it comes to the topic of following any and all motorsports, so check out these links and hopefully they will assist you in watching any and every thing racing related! There are 3 different calendars, links below with summary of each:

This schedule includes racing series that can be watched on TV channels or online:

This document contains a race calendar sorted by dates, with the number of the week:

This document contains a race calendar sorted by racing series:

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