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I would doubt Vestappen to Merc. Maybe before Russell showed what he can do at Shakir but now Russell has shown himself to be able to lead that team to wins (if they don't fuck it up for him that is), plus there would be no messy politics or huge payments if they went for Russell and it would give their young driver programme some prestige too.

One rumour I heard about the contract is Hamilton wants a clause saying he gets veto over who his future team mate is and Daimler won't accept that. Daimler is almost certainly pushing for Russell next season (Williams contract is up) and there is a feeling Hamilton doesn't want that because it would put two in the head of his legacy when Russell kicks his ass in the same car. (Edit in fact when I went looking for the source of that rumour to put it here it turned out to be the same source as the Vestappen one above so sounds like a classic case of a "journalist" throwing out everything and hoping one sticks so they can look like they called it).
 
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Williams have hired Jenson Button, no not as a driver but as a senior adviser. New owners seem to be invested in making a good team.

BBC article https://archive.is/kNRLu

Video which popped up in my feed alerting me to the news

Also about Hamilton's contract, IF the whole not having one signed is a giant PR stunt like some Hambones suggest then the signed contract will be announced at the car unveiling. Why? Well they are getting loads of free PR now, pre-season testing is always filled with 'MERC ONAMOUSE' headlines and as we all know Merc have the most [un-fun] corporate livery ever (not that I think it's bad) meaning they don't really get much car reveal press, but IF Hamilton's contract is announced then, complete gazumping of all other teams livery PR.
 
I think the Williams (Dorilton) team should bite the bullet and lose the Williams name for this season. I too wish that we could have had a team privately owned by Frank and Claire Williams and keep the team around forever, but we are simply lying to ourselves. Honestly having Dorilton Capital carry around the Williams name is like Frankenstein and it doesn't sit with me right. The Williams team we love is dead, now they should truly start over with a new name before they become a true B team and get that new technical insight from Mercedes starting in 2022.

Also, Maya Weug got signed to the Ferrari driver academy. That's cool, best of luck to her. I would love to see some women in f1, especially because female motorsport athletes are all total babes. Also it's not like f1 is a total egalitarian meritocracy, so while we're flooded with shitty pay drivers why not throw in some female drivers too. I would have loved to see Sophia Floersh in f1 but she probably doesn't want to take part in open cockpit racing anymore after her crash...at least she's gonna be in fia wec this season.
 
I think the Williams (Dorilton) team should bite the bullet and lose the Williams name for this season. I too wish that we could have had a team privately owned by Frank and Claire Williams and keep the team around forever, but we are simply lying to ourselves. Honestly having Dorilton Capital carry around the Williams name is like Frankenstein and it doesn't sit with me right. The Williams team we love is dead, now they should truly start over with a new name before they become a true B team and get that new technical insight from Mercedes starting in 2022.

Also, Maya Weug got signed to the Ferrari driver academy. That's cool, best of luck to her. I would love to see some women in f1, especially because female motorsport athletes are all total babes. Also it's not like f1 is a total egalitarian meritocracy, so while we're flooded with shitty pay drivers why not throw in some female drivers too. I would have loved to see Sophia Floersh in f1 but she probably doesn't want to take part in open cockpit racing anymore after her crash...at least she's gonna be in fia wec this season.
Did Sophia Floersch really throw in the towel? That's really sad. I was looking forward to her eventually joining F1, too.
Granted, her accident was a major one and I can't fault any driver to go through that and noping out of the sport, sad as it is.
 
Sophia actually competed in F3 last year so I don't think she has any qualms about open cockpit. She didn't score any points though.

As for Williams name, I bet there is something in the purchase agreement that new owners have to keep the name, at least for a few years. But I agree, Williams as we knew it has ceased to exist.
 
Did Sophia Floersch really throw in the towel?
I dont think she has said it publicly but she's in fia wec now racing lmp2 if memory serves, which is a respectable position in it's own right if my understanding is right. On a all-women team, which is a bit gimmicky, but I'll allow it.
Sophia actually competed in F3 last year so I don't think she has any qualms about open cockpit. She didn't score any points though.
good point, forgot about that, apologies.
 
In other news, last night there was an evening practice for the 24 Hours of Daytona and KMag set the top time at 1:35.412:
https://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/magnussen-cgr-lead-roar-session-4/
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I, for one, love to see it. It's really impressive how quickly he's adapted to this sort of racing.
 
Wolff gave an interview about thw Hamilton mess.

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It all sounds smooth and everyone's happy but them why are the lawyers arguing, what are these curveball and in what way do you need to "talk things out in detail"? If you're both convinced you want to race together why isn't it signed? Think it's time for you to stop sucking the Hamilton dick and start playing the George card, get negotiations rolling and see how quick Hamilton comes back with reasonable terms.
 
Looks like one the many currently competing sons of an F1 driver won't be following in his father's footsteps and making it to F1. I didn't think he'd ever get there even as a test driver or to do an FP1 session. Wonder if he will be going to SuperFormula or sportscars? I suppose if he went to SF and did extremely well it might put him back on F1 radar, as doubtful as that would be. But maybe that is what he thinks.

Alesi’s Fiorano test was a “farewell to Ferrari”​

Posted on 25th January 2021, 23:22 | Written by Keith Collantine

Giuliano Alesi’s first test in a Formula 1 car with Ferrari today marks his departure from the team’s young driver roster, he has confirmed.

The son of one-time F1 race winner Jean Alesi revealed after his Fiorano test he is leaving Ferrari’s Driver Academy and will not return to Formula 2 this year either.

“I’d like to thank Ferrari and the FDA for this fantastic opportunity today,” he said. “To be able to get in the cockpit of the SF71H was incredibly exciting as was driving the car on track with my father watching and sporting the same race number he used.”

Alesi drove Ferrari’s SF71H, which the team raced in 2018. It sported the number 28, which his father used during his first season at Ferrari in 1991 before switching to 27.

“In terms of handling, the car is not too difficult to drive,” Alesi continued, “but the power was surprising and never seems to end. The immediacy and efficiency of the braking is also impressive.”

Alesi has been an FDA member since 2016. He spent three years in GP3 with Trident, winning four races and peaking with fifth in the 2017 championship, before graduating to Formula 2 with the team in 2019. He scored 20 points in his first season, ending the year 15th, but slipped to 17th last year following a mid-season change of teams from HWA to MP.

“This test was the best way possible for me to bid farewell to Ferrari,” said Alesi. “Now a new adventure awaits me in Asia and I can’t wait for it to start.”

Ferrari also used the test to give another FDA member, Marcus Armstrong, his first run in a Formula 1 car. “Obviously this was a special day in my life,” he said.
“Being at the wheel of a Formula 1 car for the first time is always something magical and when the car is a Ferrari, then it’s really unforgettable.

“People always say it’s the braking that is the most impressive aspect and that was the case, but also the aerodynamic downforce, the speed in the corners, the steering, the power and the perfect gear changes are all on a different planet compared to the other racing categories.”
SOURCE: https://www.racefans.net/2021/01/25/alesis-fiorano-test-was-a-farewell-to-ferrari/

This is pretty interesting. Rencken writes a few good and detailed insider stories like this. What do you guys think about this article?

Why Sauber’s coming deal with Ferrari may not keep Alfa Romeo name in F1​

Posted on 26th January 2021, 8:18 | Written by Dieter Rencken

Despite strong French overtones and presentation timings less than a week apart, the respective media conferences hosted by Groupe Renault and Stellantis could not have been more different. The former, presented by CEO Luca de Meo on 14 January, had style but little substance; the latter held five days later and chaired by Carlos Tavares – CEO of the alliance created by PSA (Peugeot, Citroen, Opel, Vauxhall) and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles – was precisely the opposite.

Both men are new to their roles. De Meo replaced the disgraced former Renault CEO Carlos Ghosn in July last year, while Tavares, CEO of PSA since 2014, formally took the helm of Stellantis after transatlantic and shareholder approval for the alliance was granted earlier this month. Crucially, prior to joining Peugeot, Tavares had been COO and number two to Ghosn at Renault.

Renault’s presentation (covered in detail here) was followed three days later by an interview with an Italian daily newspaper. Renault is partially French government-owned, but de Meo is Italian.

The topics seemingly took Alpine F1 Team by surprise. So much so that on the morning of Sunday 17th January the team’s media department rushed out confirmation of Davide Brivio’s appointment as racing director in a release consisting of no more than five paragraphs, with neither images nor media contact details…

Three days later the same daily ran a story alleging Renault was in talks over a technical partnership with Sauber, currently racing as Alfa Romeo with Ferrari powertrains. The news took Maranello by surprise, for the Scuderia believed it had the basis for an extension with the Swiss team, which sources in both operations later confirmed was the case. Indeed, all that remains outstanding is formal approval of the 2022-25 deal.

De Meo had seemingly been misled by the team’s executives or not been updated. It is known that Ferrari contractee Haas had sounded Renault out about a possible partnership before extending and expanding its deal with Ferrari. F1 hopeful Pantherais also seeking an alliance and had put feelers out with the French company. But any talks between Sauber and Renault were, at most, cursory and far from advanced.

The Ferrari-Sauber extension, to be confirmed shortly, opens up a number of intriguing possibilities, not least that Stellantis may acquire the team – as outlined here. At its most elementary the agreement would see a continuation of the current supply of a complete ‘rear end’ – engines, transmissions, associated electronic and hydraulics, and rear suspension mountings and components.

However, with F1’s 2022 regulations encouraging sharing of certain parts, the agreement is believed to provide for two-way co-operation, particularly as Sauber has full-scale manufacturing facilities. By contrast Haas, with no wind tunnel or production capabilities, will become increasingly reliant on Ferrari technologies as permitted. Indeed, to this end Ferrari established a customer technology department.

Alfa Romeo, previously a part of the FCA stable, recently renewed its livery and title partnership with Sauber through to the end of 2021, and thus a decision needs to be taken sooner rather than later. However whether the legendary Milan marque’s keepers are content to have it trundling around in a solid eighth place in the championship – as has been the case since 2017 – is another question.

Although Ferrari and Stellantis are separate legal entities, being listed under the tickers RACE and STLA respectively, they are ‘joined’ at the very top via common major shareholding company Exor, chaired by John Elkann. While there are suggestions that the scion of the Agnelli family – viewed as Italy’s industrial ‘royalty’ – is no hardcore F1 fan, there are no doubts he understands the brand value created by motor racing.

In contrast Tavares harboured ambitions of racing professionally before switching to engineering and has since competed in over 500 amateur events including rally and single seaters. If he wishes to acquire Sauber as halo project for Stellantis, he is likely to find ready ears in Turin. Should that come to pass, the next question is one of brand. The alliance owns Alfa Romeo and Maserati, both with illustrious F1 pedigrees.

While Alfa Romeo is the logical brand should Stellantis acquire Sauber, the move may face an obstacle in the form of CEO Jean-Phillipe Imparato, last week transferred by Tavares from Peugeot to Alfa Romeo as part of management reshuffles. Although the Frenchman has competed in classic events, his career history suggests he is ambivalent towards racing, having previously diverted sporting budgets to road car projects.

Saliently, in 2019 he told Autocar magazine that “Asking for €200m (£175m) for a future motorsport programme is completely mad. We have committed our [sporting] budget elsewhere, for a minimum of three years. We will see after that. One thing is for sure: motorsport is dead unless it’s electrified.”

While budget caps and F1 revenues potentially reduce the costs of F1 to well below those amounts, significant outlay would be required to take Alfa Romeo into F1 in its own right – all while the company requires mountains of cash to extend Alfa Romeo’s current two-model range and revitalise both the Giulia and Stelvio.

True, under Imparato Peugeot last year confirmed a 2022 WEC hypercar entry. But the word in WEC circles is that Imparato strongly opposed the project until he was persuaded it would cost under €30m (£26.5m) and battery sponsor Total would foot a large part of the overall bill. Sources suggest the final decision did not fall easily despite the low cost of entry, so Alfa Romeo under Imparato could well walk from F1.

That would leave Maserati as a further potential F1 brand within Stellantis. But the question is whether Elkann wishes to see his premium Italian brands go head-to-head. He, not Tavares, controls Ferrari, and while Alfa Romeo happily rides on the back of Ferrari, the question of Maserati doing so is more complex. Furthermore, Stellantis’ current ‘family tree’ does not provide for an autonomous motorsport department.

That said, Tavares last week appointed a number of ex-Renault colleagues to senior Stellantis positions, including Thierry Koskas, briefly Renault Sport president and thus former Renault F1 Team managing director Cyril Abiteboul’s boss at the time, as chief marketing officer. Indeed, Abiteboul worked with Tavares for a decade until the latter’s departure from Renault, and was cut loose from Renault a fortnight ago.

It doesn’t take much imagination to join the dots: Exor oversees Stellantis and Ferrari, which has a long-term technical partnership in place with Sauber, Alfa Romeo’s branding deal expires at the end of this year, a well-connected corporate F1 manager is available, Stellantis needs to make a big splash globally, and Sauber is said to be for sale now its value has been boosted by the need for prospective F1 entrants to pay a $200m anti-dilution fee.

On the flipside, such a project could face executive opposition – whether as Alfa Romeo or Maserati – while the other 12 brands in the Stellantis stable would not benefit from F1 to the same degree. The mere fact that imagined dots can be readily joined is no guarantee that F1 will follow; by the same token Stellantis owes it to its shareholders to explore the reach that F1 could offer this new global alliance.

No doubt something is bubbling away at Stellantis and Sauber. Whether that something eventuates into a corporate F1 project – under whatever brand name, and do not discount Stellantis itself – is likely to become clearer by the start of the season.
SOURCE: https://www.racefans.net/2021/01/26...h-ferrari-may-not-keep-alfa-romeo-name-in-f1/
 
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I dont think she has said it publicly but she's in fia wec now racing lmp2 if memory serves, which is a respectable position in it's own right if my understanding is right. On a all-women team, which is a bit gimmicky, but I'll allow it.

good point, forgot about that, apologies.
She contested Le Mans last year, car #50, Richard Mille Racing Team - run by daughter of Richard Mille - alongside Tatiana Calderon and Beitske Visser. Used the Oreca chassis, with the Gibson engine - objectively the best in P2 racing at the moment.

In other news, last night there was an evening practice for the 24 Hours of Daytona and KMag set the top time at 1:35.412:
https://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/magnussen-cgr-lead-roar-session-4/
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I, for one, love to see it. It's really impressive how quickly he's adapted to this sort of racing.
In the best car, no-one never saw that coming. It'll be come the 24 hour race proper, if/when IMSA apply BoP changes where you'll see how good he is since his co-drivers are just outright better than him.
 
Alesi being shown the door is no great suprise. Never places higher than 4th in any competition he's participated in and is constantly low down the order. You need more than just a name to get to the top. Pity Jean was blinded by the hope his son would make it as he sold some pretty nice cars from his collection to fund his son's 2020 F2 season, he had no money to throw in the pot for 2021 though so no incentive for Ferrari to keep him around.
 
Alesi being shown the door is no great suprise. Never places higher than 4th in any competition he's participated in and is constantly low down the order. You need more than just a name to get to the top. Pity Jean was blinded by the hope his son would make it as he sold some pretty nice cars from his collection to fund his son's 2020 F2 season, he had no money to throw in the pot for 2021 though so no incentive for Ferrari to keep him around.
I expect he'll have a decent career in GTs then. Blancpain seems to be his level.
 

So, Toto gives some insight. Again with the "we absolutely love each other and we're totally on the same page, but we constantly throw curveballs at our lawyers who then argue for hours on zoom" bullshit.
Yeah, I know dozens of loving families that give hours of work to their lawyers, just cause they are so much in love and agree so much with one another.

Throw that stupid shithead out of your cockpit already and get someone who's not high on his own farts.
 
To keep the Hamstrung topic at forefront, here is Eddie Jordan's comments:

Lewis Hamilton stalling on £40m-a-year Mercedes contract as star wants 10% split of TV cash, says ex-F1 team boss Jordan​

EDDIE JORDAN believes Lewis Hamilton is digging in his heels over a new Mercedes contract in a wrangle over money.

Hamilton has yet to sign a new contract with the team despite insisting he was happy to commit to them.

Merc boss Toto Wolff said the two were in discussions over Zoom but admitted their talks had caused a few "curveballs" for the lawyers overseeing the deal.

But former team boss Jordan believes the sticking points are over Hamilton's worth to Mercedes, who recently announced petrochemical company, Ineos, had become a three-way owner alongside Mercedes Benz and Wolff.

Jordan also says he understands the 36-year-old is pushing for a 10 percent share of the team's TV revenue.

He said: "There are a number of things that could be causing a hold up and there have been some changes with the team.

"There are some things that are relevant at the moment in that Toto has been in isolation due to COVID and Lewis is in America, so these negotiations are being done on Zoom.

"And number two, it is kind of complicated because Ineos, I believe, have bought into Mercedes because of the wealth of value that Lewis brings to that.

"I am not saying they did that exclusively because of Lewis because he is not going to be there forever.

"But the reality is it was a very important factor and you also have to factor in that people like Tommy Hilfiger, and sponsors like that, are only there because of Lewis.

"I have a little snippet of information and Lewis is saying 'look guys, this is my salary, is this what I am being paid as a driver and for various other things that go along with the interviews and other aspects?

"'But am I being compensated for bringing in sponsors? Am I being compensated for the arrival of Ineos?

"'Am I being compensated for the increased television income you are getting as the constructors' champion in the form of TV money?'"

Jordan says that Hamilton should also be focusing his attention on getting a slice of the lucrative TV payments Merc receive from F1.

The Irishman points to the example being set in American sports where the top stars earn bonuses on top of their salaries.

He added: "If I was his manager, I would be saying to Mercedes, 'look, we add a lot of value to Mercedes' overall income over the year. It is positively wrong to ignore that'.

"I believe Lewis is looking for 10 percent of the team's television money and it is hard to understand why he would not be worth that.

"We are in the media and the amount of opportunities we have to interview Lewis are very slim. We stand in line like everybody else.

"But he is the first one we all want. We are at the press conferences because we need Lewis as he is a value to me and you and everybody else.

"It is like what is happening now in golf and basketball in America and the major stars are taking a piece off the top.

"The world of economics is changing but one thing that is for sure is the value of Lewis Hamilton has increased, that's a fact."

Jordan was speaking at the launch of his investment in travel and event app, Guestia, which allows event and travel companies to communicate with their guests and staff.

He said: "When I saw this presented to McLaren I thought, God, I need to be involved in this because I am an entrepreneur and this was the most compelling piece of technology in the business I know about.

"We are talking about the F1 trucks leaving on a Sunday, the guys who are sent to set up the garages.

"We are talking about football, rugby or cricket and when you have different groups of people travelling there needs to be a coordinated set of instructions.

"If a plane gets delayed or a bus breaks down, you need to be able to change those instructions immediately.

"We were always trying to find a system as most teams in F1 still go along with a guidebook and pieces of paper and that is old hat.

"With this app you can even use it for people in the Paddock Club and, if there is a traffic jam outside, you can send a message to your guests to say hang on and enjoy another glass of Champagne rather than sitting in traffic."

SOURCE: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/motorsport/13855419/lewis-hamilton-mercedes-contract-f1-eddie-jordan/
 
This feels like a hottake about Lewis just to promote that silly app that has literally no use to anyone using any kind of WhatsApp derivative already.

Even with his sponsors, Lewis profits more from Merc than they do the other way around. If they replaced him, they'd have new high-profile big-spending sponsors in no time. If anything, they might make better deals with different companies, cause Mercedes is the record breaking manifacturer while Lewis is just some lucky bastard that ended up in the right cockpit at the right time.
 
Daytona 24H can be watched on IMSA webpage. Its blocked in North America but I am watching it with VPN just fine. Here is a link for any regulars looking for some live motorsport this weekend:

 
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