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A bit too early for that, but I do get a good chuckle when I imagine the conversation at Haas.
"Damn, that Mazepin scandal sure is blowing up on Twitter..."
-"Yeah, people threaten to ruin us financially if we don't ditch him."
"That sounds serious and we should look at our options. How does Mazepin's sponsor money compare to their combined economic influence over our team?"
-"Well, Mazepin's father pays us several million dollars and has signed on for a couple years..."
"And these others?"
-"Uh... it depends... do we sell Funkopops?"
" . . . Nooooooo?"
-"Then there is no effect whatsoever, I guess."
And thus, Mazepin was allowed to drive on his daddy's dime for a few years.
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I saw a hilarious reddit thread where they were planning some sort of mass contact of Haas sponsors to get them to drop Haas unless they got rid of Mazepin. A couple did try to tell them where that idea was going wrong but they were in full flow of "well Haas will need sponsors after Mazepin leaves so we should make them toxic to all sponsors so they will consider the long term". Like seriously, you plan is to contact anyone who could sponsor Haas in 3-4 years time to get them to put on pressure now? These people are confused at the fact they can't bully a company to do what they want, it just doesn't register. Of course there is plenty of cope that the FIA will do something about it.
They're also pissed Steiner is keeping what action Haas took internal only and not releasing any details. They're now threatening another petition (oh the horror) to the FIA to force them to get Haas to reveal the penalty "for the good of the sport" and fuck any NDAs that probably exist.
I can't wait until someone asks Hamilton about it on some live interview. He can either hold his tongue to avoid actually causing the FIA to notice as he calls them out but then the woke heads will explode or he can go off on one and probably land a nice fine or penalty for mouthing off about another competitor and the FIA.
The FIA and rights holders are probably loving this, a controversial driver brings the sport attention and news space without it being them in the sport light. Wresting wouldn't work without a heel and FOM just found theirs, I wouldn't be surprised if they're playing it up a bit themselves.
They're also pissed Steiner is keeping what action Haas took internal only and not releasing any details. They're now threatening another petition (oh the horror) to the FIA to force them to get Haas to reveal the penalty "for the good of the sport" and fuck any NDAs that probably exist.
I can't wait until someone asks Hamilton about it on some live interview. He can either hold his tongue to avoid actually causing the FIA to notice as he calls them out but then the woke heads will explode or he can go off on one and probably land a nice fine or penalty for mouthing off about another competitor and the FIA.
The FIA and rights holders are probably loving this, a controversial driver brings the sport attention and news space without it being them in the sport light. Wresting wouldn't work without a heel and FOM just found theirs, I wouldn't be surprised if they're playing it up a bit themselves.
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Hambone is only woke when it suits him. He's not going to throw the a competitor and/or the FIA under the bus for good boy points from Blue Checkmarks; many of whom can't even spell F1 let alone know what it is.
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I always love to see people who crusade hashtags get a reality check that their bitching won't change anything. It'll be fun to see Mazepin on the grid in a few months, I'm rooting for him to either perform really well or otherwise piss these people off more.
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Companies that sponsor Haas are:
- Very expensive watchbrand for new money idiots (Richard Mille)
- Swiss biotech company that does something (MindMaze)
- Racing gear company (Alpinestar)
- Middle-tier clothing outlet (Jack & Jones)
- Some sports clothing label (stitchd)
- Automotive fluid company (Peak)
- Mazepin Senior's companies (Uralchem)
In short, I don't think most of these guys give a fuck about some random outrage.
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Of all these companies, Jack & Jones might be the only one even remotely within the ballpark of Twitter-spergs. And even then it's questionable if the Twitterspergs even realize that.
Hell, didn't we have images of people who went "Boycotting a company doesn't mean I have to deprive myself of their products"-consoomerspeak in the SW thread?
Hell, didn't we have images of people who went "Boycotting a company doesn't mean I have to deprive myself of their products"-consoomerspeak in the SW thread?
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Funny thing, J&J are out anyway since they are Kmag's or Grosjean's (I don't remember), personal sponsors.
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It's K-Mag's. Richard Mille is Grosjean's.
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Aldo Andretti, twin brother of Mario Andretti, has died. 1940 - 2020.
Whilst Aldo was perhaps not as successful a racer as Mario, the two of them raced together as children and always pushed each other - I recall Mario giving credit to his brother for pushing him to be so good. Aldo was very often integral to the Andretti name in business, providing advice to not only his brother but all generations of their legecied family.
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In Mario's interview for F1 podcast Beyond the Grid, he shares a fair few good stories reminiscing on his youth as an expat to the United States and his entry into racing with his brother - now's a time if ever to go give it a listen.
Whilst Aldo was perhaps not as successful a racer as Mario, the two of them raced together as children and always pushed each other - I recall Mario giving credit to his brother for pushing him to be so good. Aldo was very often integral to the Andretti name in business, providing advice to not only his brother but all generations of their legecied family.
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In Mario's interview for F1 podcast Beyond the Grid, he shares a fair few good stories reminiscing on his youth as an expat to the United States and his entry into racing with his brother - now's a time if ever to go give it a listen.
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Happy New Year everyone! Looks like we are going to have an extra 2 week wait for the first race.
By Scott Mitchell
Formula 1’s 2021 season is set to begin in Bahrain with the Australian Grand Prix likely to be postponed due to quarantine requirements making a March race unviable.
Despite the ongoing coronavirus pandemic Melbourne was announced in its traditional season opener slot in F1’s provisional 2021 calendar last year and remained in that place when the schedule was rubber-stamped by the FIA.
Initially, F1 was confident the grand prix would be possible due to the local government’s handling of the pandemic thus far and the plans it hoped would be sufficient for the race to be held safely.
F1 pulled off 17 races from July through to December last year with strict procedures in place and a repeat of the biosphere-based protocols that had to be implemented in the Abu Dhabi season finale was understood to be at the centre of F1’s plan for Australia.
This would have meant F1 personnel travelling to Australia and staying in accommodation separately to the public, with movements restricted between hotels and the circuit.
That concept allowed F1 to circumvent 14-day quarantine requirements in Abu Dhabi last year and it was hoped this would avoid having to spend two weeks in isolation in Australia as well.
However, the Victorian government has made a two-week quarantine mandatory for personnel around the Australian Open tennis tournament and it is believed that F1 would be subject to the same rules.
This would mean personnel travelling to Melbourne almost three weeks before the grand prix, to allow enough time for the usual activities before the race to take place after the quarantine period.
That is not feasible. In addition to the problems caused by the amount of time F1 personnel would have to spend in Australia to make the race happen, F1’s sole three-day pre-season test is currently scheduled for March 2-4.
Personnel would need to be in Australia by this point and moving testing forward by more than a week would be a big disruption.
As such, the race is likely to be postponed. A decision, first reported by Racefans, will be officially made and communicated shortly as preparations for the grand prix must begin no later than January.
However, the race is not expected to be cancelled, with the hope of rescheduling it to later in the year with a place among the end-of-year flyaways in Asia, the Americas, and the Middle-East.
“In 2020 we proved that we could return to racing safely and delivered what many thought was impossible in March,” said F1 in a statement.
“We have set out our 2021 calendar and look forward to the return of F1 in March this year.”
‘March’ is set to mean the Bahrain Grand Prix, which is scheduled for March 28. It was originally planned as the second part of a double-header after Australia.
Bahrain facilitated two grands prix at the end of 2020 amid the pandemic, including one race on the ‘Outer’ circuit.
Its date will not move if it does become the season opener as expected. However, the change could mean pre-season testing shifts to the Sakhir circuit.
Presently the pre-season plan is for Barcelona to host the three days of testing, but Bahrain was in the running initially and could become the venue after all to tie in with the opener.
It is unclear if the dates would be changed. An expansion of the three-day test seems unlikely given it was reduced for cost reasons not because of timing restrictions. Moving the test closer to the season opener might appeal but would be subject to a vote between stakeholders.
AUSTRALIA SET TO BE POSTPONED, BAHRAIN LIKELY F1 2021 OPENER
5 hours agoBy Scott Mitchell
Formula 1’s 2021 season is set to begin in Bahrain with the Australian Grand Prix likely to be postponed due to quarantine requirements making a March race unviable.
Despite the ongoing coronavirus pandemic Melbourne was announced in its traditional season opener slot in F1’s provisional 2021 calendar last year and remained in that place when the schedule was rubber-stamped by the FIA.
Initially, F1 was confident the grand prix would be possible due to the local government’s handling of the pandemic thus far and the plans it hoped would be sufficient for the race to be held safely.
F1 pulled off 17 races from July through to December last year with strict procedures in place and a repeat of the biosphere-based protocols that had to be implemented in the Abu Dhabi season finale was understood to be at the centre of F1’s plan for Australia.
This would have meant F1 personnel travelling to Australia and staying in accommodation separately to the public, with movements restricted between hotels and the circuit.
That concept allowed F1 to circumvent 14-day quarantine requirements in Abu Dhabi last year and it was hoped this would avoid having to spend two weeks in isolation in Australia as well.
However, the Victorian government has made a two-week quarantine mandatory for personnel around the Australian Open tennis tournament and it is believed that F1 would be subject to the same rules.
This would mean personnel travelling to Melbourne almost three weeks before the grand prix, to allow enough time for the usual activities before the race to take place after the quarantine period.
That is not feasible. In addition to the problems caused by the amount of time F1 personnel would have to spend in Australia to make the race happen, F1’s sole three-day pre-season test is currently scheduled for March 2-4.
Personnel would need to be in Australia by this point and moving testing forward by more than a week would be a big disruption.
As such, the race is likely to be postponed. A decision, first reported by Racefans, will be officially made and communicated shortly as preparations for the grand prix must begin no later than January.
However, the race is not expected to be cancelled, with the hope of rescheduling it to later in the year with a place among the end-of-year flyaways in Asia, the Americas, and the Middle-East.
“In 2020 we proved that we could return to racing safely and delivered what many thought was impossible in March,” said F1 in a statement.
“We have set out our 2021 calendar and look forward to the return of F1 in March this year.”
‘March’ is set to mean the Bahrain Grand Prix, which is scheduled for March 28. It was originally planned as the second part of a double-header after Australia.
Bahrain facilitated two grands prix at the end of 2020 amid the pandemic, including one race on the ‘Outer’ circuit.
Its date will not move if it does become the season opener as expected. However, the change could mean pre-season testing shifts to the Sakhir circuit.
Presently the pre-season plan is for Barcelona to host the three days of testing, but Bahrain was in the running initially and could become the venue after all to tie in with the opener.
It is unclear if the dates would be changed. An expansion of the three-day test seems unlikely given it was reduced for cost reasons not because of timing restrictions. Moving the test closer to the season opener might appeal but would be subject to a vote between stakeholders.
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Formula One is the only series at its level which has insisted the calendar for '21 is going ahead as planned, and it's the first to cock up.
I honestly hope that the season can span the whole year, but have races missed out along the way due to last minute local government decisions - I'll explain.
Formula One having what is it, 21 races a year(?) makes each race less important, less impressive.
Whilst yes, NASCAR has more races (36, I actually looked it up because it's a ridiculous number (not all of the 36 races contribute to the points for the Cup)) on the schedule they have in turn created a championship format which makes every race important (It's a playoff system, so the best way to ensure you're in the fight during the playoff stages is to win a race), meanwhile F1 uses a traditional format and also has this loads of races.
My example of fewer races creating better value is the World Endurance Championship, there is 5 races a year for the WEC (including Le Mans, if my memory is correct), and so there's essentially a month between races, which in turn makes every race stand-out because I haven't seen the United Autosports team race against the Jackie Chan DC Racing team for a month for example - IndyCar is in a similar vein, with a smaller number of races over the year.
Even within common-class GT racing with GT3/4's running around where there's two billion of them every week, the different series don't run every week, even the British GT manages to be fairly spread out a season despite the limited amount of year in which running is viable.
Formula One doesn't do this, there's a million races a month, and most of them are really rather mediocre.
Sure you get the stand-out races that you always note down the date, Spa, Silverstone, Suzuka, CotA, Interlagos are the ones for me.
Those races take the place of that 5 race example I gave with the WEC (for sake of arguing I'd say Interlagos is the Le Mans of the lot for me), but if between them the narrative of the championship is just same car is winning, wow it makes those highlight races overshadowed with that consideration external to the race itself - the 6 hours of Spa is always a race for the championship, just the same as the the 6 hours of Shanghai, and regardless of whether Spa or Shanghai is better both have very tenable equal value and importance.
F1 is promoted historically as 'the pinnacle of motorsports' and requires a license which only the super elite of motorsports gets, and in large part it does deserve that branding, but it is in turn devaluing and trivialising the importance of it being the pinnacle - the upper end of the motorsports world should feel as though it stops to see the F1 race if it were so great and important, even with the functionally pre-determined results which it is getting, but it doesn't.
The motorsports world keeps going because F1 doesn't matter enough because it has allowed itself to become oversaturated, rather than the elite, specialist entity that it supposedly is.
Edit: I forgot wow existed so put wowee in the thing which seemed daft to read.
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I think it was very optimistic for them to approve a calendar again so early on rather than treating it the same as this year. There will probably be lots of chopping and changing. Of course a huge impact will be on F2 and F3 who are alternating GPs meaning a cancelled F1 race is 3 cancelled F2/3 races from not many, we could see a farce of an F2/3 season if the cancellations/postponements hit unfortunate timings.
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Even Blind Freddy saw this coming.
If there's going to be a 2021 Australian F1 GP, it'll probably need to be at the end of the season to have any hope of happening; even then it wouldn't necessarily be a sure thing. I'd be very surprised if there's an F1 GP round in Australia in 2021.
This is a very good point, and it's not exclusive to motor sport. A classic example is the Grand Slam in tennis. Sure, there are plenty of ATP tennis tournaments around the world, but the Grand Slam still has something special about it. F1 seemed to be a bit more special when there were fewer rounds.
Bear in mind that the 2020 F1 season still had more races than a typical F1 season had 20 years ago. For many years, the F1 calendar had only (!) 16 rounds.
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Sadly, if they cut down the number of races, you can bet your ass the ones to stay permanently are these horrible Tilke-tracks like Sochi. They'd rather remove Spa than any of those horrendeously boring, flat, awkward new tracks, I think.
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It's genuinely hilarious that Lewis has dominated so much that people are literally just giving him the win and focusing more on if Bottas gets knocked out of his comfy 2nd place or which of the midfield's drivers gonna get third.
And I mean, honestly at this point I ain't even going to give Formula 1 the satisfaction to waste my fucking time watching the Tilke-ass boring races, except when Lewis gets COVID again and Russel's got a chance to finally get some points while subbing in a Merc.
And I mean, honestly at this point I ain't even going to give Formula 1 the satisfaction to waste my fucking time watching the Tilke-ass boring races, except when Lewis gets COVID again and Russel's got a chance to finally get some points while subbing in a Merc.
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Can't wait for a decade or so, when people will look back at this period of Hamilton dominance and the consensus that'll be amongst everyone.
My guess: People will say (justifiably) that Hamilton was indeed a good driver, but that his car was ridiculously strong compared to the others...
But I have little doubt that the last 5-7 years at least will be called the most boring stretch of F1 history, at least when only looking for the top drivers.
I'm still dumbfounded just how invested I was in Russel's race in Sakhir... or rather, The race in general. And there is only one reason: The leader was someone else for a change.
It's not even just a problem with Mercs alone .Without them, Max Verstappen would have won almost all races that he finished this season.
Without Mercs, Max would have won 11 of 17 races while not finishing in 5 of them (so yeah, he would have only been absent from the podium in one race that he finished.)
Of course the strength of Mercs and Max isn't the real problem here, it's how far behind everyone else is. Hamilton has almost 3 times as many points as Perez on 4th. Bottas and Max almost twice as many. The difference between Hamilton and Bottas is almost as many points as Perez has in total. When you add up all points of all drivers past 9th rank (ie: 10th rank and down), Hamilton still has 46 points more than those 14 drivers combined. With those leftovers alone, you could sit on a comfy 13th place. Bottas and Verstappen have about as many points as everyone past 10th place combined. Hamilton alone has more points than Red Bull Racing. How crazy is that, you could delete Bottas from this season entirely and Mercedes would still be 28 points in the lead in the teams ranking. For fuck's sake, Hamilton has more points than Ferrari, Alpha Tauri, Alfa Romeo, Haas and Williams combined.
FIA needs to somehow level the field, even if Hamilton is replaced by Russel, if this dominance continues, after about a season or two, watching Russel pull off victory after victory would become boring, too...
The most interesting things in F1 are currently the fights for "best of the rest" with many great scenes of wheel-to-wheel racing, but we barely ever see more than the overtakes that happen at the end (if we even see that at all).
One can only hope that by 2022, F1 becomes more even amongst the teams... but I doubt it. Worst part of all this?
If I want someone to dethrone Hamilton from his top position records, that would mean I would have to root for a decade even more boring than the last in terms of top-field competition.
It's like choosing between the plague and cholera (as we Germans like to say), either we've got the luckiest driver in history being treated as infallible god of F1 racing without anyone being able to challenge this ridiculously high number of victories and titles -or- we get another boring (and meaningless) record-breaking spree by someone dominating the field to a ridiculous degree for an entire decade. God fucking damnit.
Best thing now would be if Hamilton is replaced by Russel for a few races next season (preferably on racetracks where Hamilton raced last season), Russel winning easily while also possibly getting better times than Hamilton and thus proving that Hamilton is not GOAT Driver that his fanboys treat him as...
My guess: People will say (justifiably) that Hamilton was indeed a good driver, but that his car was ridiculously strong compared to the others...
But I have little doubt that the last 5-7 years at least will be called the most boring stretch of F1 history, at least when only looking for the top drivers.
I'm still dumbfounded just how invested I was in Russel's race in Sakhir... or rather, The race in general. And there is only one reason: The leader was someone else for a change.
It's not even just a problem with Mercs alone .Without them, Max Verstappen would have won almost all races that he finished this season.
Without Mercs, Max would have won 11 of 17 races while not finishing in 5 of them (so yeah, he would have only been absent from the podium in one race that he finished.)
Of course the strength of Mercs and Max isn't the real problem here, it's how far behind everyone else is. Hamilton has almost 3 times as many points as Perez on 4th. Bottas and Max almost twice as many. The difference between Hamilton and Bottas is almost as many points as Perez has in total. When you add up all points of all drivers past 9th rank (ie: 10th rank and down), Hamilton still has 46 points more than those 14 drivers combined. With those leftovers alone, you could sit on a comfy 13th place. Bottas and Verstappen have about as many points as everyone past 10th place combined. Hamilton alone has more points than Red Bull Racing. How crazy is that, you could delete Bottas from this season entirely and Mercedes would still be 28 points in the lead in the teams ranking. For fuck's sake, Hamilton has more points than Ferrari, Alpha Tauri, Alfa Romeo, Haas and Williams combined.
FIA needs to somehow level the field, even if Hamilton is replaced by Russel, if this dominance continues, after about a season or two, watching Russel pull off victory after victory would become boring, too...
The most interesting things in F1 are currently the fights for "best of the rest" with many great scenes of wheel-to-wheel racing, but we barely ever see more than the overtakes that happen at the end (if we even see that at all).
One can only hope that by 2022, F1 becomes more even amongst the teams... but I doubt it. Worst part of all this?
If I want someone to dethrone Hamilton from his top position records, that would mean I would have to root for a decade even more boring than the last in terms of top-field competition.
It's like choosing between the plague and cholera (as we Germans like to say), either we've got the luckiest driver in history being treated as infallible god of F1 racing without anyone being able to challenge this ridiculously high number of victories and titles -or- we get another boring (and meaningless) record-breaking spree by someone dominating the field to a ridiculous degree for an entire decade. God fucking damnit.
Best thing now would be if Hamilton is replaced by Russel for a few races next season (preferably on racetracks where Hamilton raced last season), Russel winning easily while also possibly getting better times than Hamilton and thus proving that Hamilton is not GOAT Driver that his fanboys treat him as...
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I feel like that's basically what happened when Russel subbed in for the Sakhir GP. The fact that he dominated the first two free practices was proof enough that the W11 was a race-winning machine. Hell I was rooting for him to win just to clown on Hamilton's legacy, and that's what would have happened were it not for the tire fuckery/puncture.
It's a little weird that this hasn't been brought up since, though. Maybe nobody wants to tarnish SIR Lewis' legacy. Also if the commentators start referring him as "Sir Lewis" that's gonna get on my nerves real quick.
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It's a shame it happened at Sakhir and not at Bahrain. We would have been able to compare Hamilton's laptimes from the previous season (a bit of difference in technology aside, it would have allowed at least some comparisons), without data in Sakhir, we can't do that and just go by what happened in the race: Russel making Bottas look like a clown and seriously damaging Hamilton's reputation. Of course, his fanboys have found a million excuses, including the idea that without Hamilton, his team can't even do a propper pitstop without fucking up...
Commentators for the foreseeable future will suck up to Saint Lewis. What I expect to happen: Lewis will end after this season with a shitton of records under his belt, the change in rules will make Mercedes a little less dominant (maybe) and his fanboys will then use this to pretend it was Lewis all along that made the car win races.
However, at some point, I expect people to slowly become more honest and more open to the blatantly obvious facts: Mercedes has been so comically dominant, you might as well just hand them the trophies before the race, independent of who's driving.
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I always think it is good to bring some stats to the table when discussing how dominant that car is compared to previous dominant teams like ferrari and Red bull eras.
For example percentage of wins...
Or the all up stats:
Then just the stats for the hybrid era
People bitched and moaned like crazy through the Schumacher and Vettel eras saying it was boring but now it's even more predictable it's apparently amazing and the greatest driver ever is the dominant one. Bull shit.
Russel showed Bottas was some top of his game driver that Hamilton was trouncing every week by going out there and doing the exact same to him that Hamilton does. There was a piece that came out saying how we couldn't judge Russell's performance against Bottas because he was having an off weekend, like leave it out the emperorclothes have been off for a long time at this point and no amount of "think" pieces will convince us he's got the finest clothing on.
For example percentage of wins...
Or the all up stats:
Then just the stats for the hybrid era
People bitched and moaned like crazy through the Schumacher and Vettel eras saying it was boring but now it's even more predictable it's apparently amazing and the greatest driver ever is the dominant one. Bull shit.
Russel showed Bottas was some top of his game driver that Hamilton was trouncing every week by going out there and doing the exact same to him that Hamilton does. There was a piece that came out saying how we couldn't judge Russell's performance against Bottas because he was having an off weekend, like leave it out the emperorclothes have been off for a long time at this point and no amount of "think" pieces will convince us he's got the finest clothing on.