Formula 1 Discussion - And favourite driver?

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Clip of Hamilton understeering into Perez:
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Seriously though why did it take until red bull told them for them to twig that Checo might have damage there and that might be why he is dropping like a stone?

How bad at this sport do you need to be not to think that right away?

Welp the little lewlew morons have begun their shitting up of every discussion of the race on every platform but this one.

Sorry for the shit resolution but it's a super zoomed in video. Checo has a obvious hole in the side pod in the a of oracle.

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Seriously though why did it take until red bull told them for them to twig that Checo might have damage there and that might be why he is dropping like a stone?

How bad at this sport do you need to be not to think that right away?
They're not that bad.

They just know they have to cover for Lewis for the home audience. I miss having our (relatively) neutral local commentary crew in the US.
 
I'm going to call this now and give Alonso the chance of making me look foolish in the race, but I think age has caught up with him and if Aston Martin improve a lot again next year, they will have two drivers wasting the chance to win races.

Nice to see Piastri not fuck things up and get a nice 2nd place. Him and Lando look like they are going to be a very strong team.

With the race starting under Safety car, they must have known for ages this was going to happen, there should be a rule where the FIA can mandate the teams fuel for say 20 laps, so that we can get the full 15 laps of the sprint happening.

If there had been a full 15 lap sprint, no way the finishing order would have been the same and likely some people would have pitted again for softs.
 
Seriously though why did it take until red bull told them for them to twig that Checo might have damage there and that might be why he is dropping like a stone?

How bad at this sport do you need to be not to think that right away?

Welp the little lewlew morons have begun their shitting up of every discussion of the race on every platform but this one.

Sorry for the shit resolution but it's a super zoomed in video. Checo has a obvious hole in the side pod in the a of oracle.

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Better pic:
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They are looking at a potential hulk maneuver that ultimately lead to Alonso binning it. Edit no, I'm retarded. They're investigating Alonso for a maneuver.

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Max was the only driver to get under 2 minutes a lap and did so by almost 2 seconds. Ominous for tomorrow.

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Max is going to be in podium position within 10 laps. The only thing I can see hurting his chances of a win is Hambone and unfortunate timing with crashes elsewhere in the field. Ferrari is a nonthreat with their incompetence and Checo was almost a second slower in Q3.
 
With on-track time continually being limited and testing not really a thing anymore, I think F1 is one of the few sports where the athletes are getting worse by the generation.
I've been following F1 since the late 1980s. The sport has lost a lot of its heart. Some of that was necessary to keep the bodies from piling up. A lot of it is cotton wool where there used to be exhaust fumes.
 
Max was the only driver to get under 2 minutes a lap and did so by almost 2 seconds. Ominous for tomorrow.
They need to just say Max wins the WDC this year, credit him winning every pole & race for the rest of the season (bar 1 of each as a gimme just cause shit can happen to him) and let him go off and enjoy the rest of the season and do whatever the fuck he wants. Then with him out of the picture, we will have potentially great action and a few different drivers getting poles and wins. Max is beginning to remind me of Dolph Lundgren's character in Rocky IV-"I must break you".

He really is unstoppable this year and save for some huge disruption in the force, Max is going to finish 2023 with more than half the total of Lewis' career wins and most likely more than Seb to be 3rd all time. He only needs 8 and 10 wins respectively to accomplish this. 11 races remain, but as @Coccxys noted in portion I quoted, the combo of Max/RB are leagues ahead of everyone.

For me, while I certainly remember watching a Monaco race or two before 1980 on ABC Wild World of Sports, and vaguely recall losing Gilles as it was big news here in Canada, I think I really got serious into F1 probably around 85 or 86, just before McLaren/Senna/Prost domination. But I def remember watching NASCAR a lot in the 70s and 80s as my whole introduction to racing was reading a Richard Petty book in mid 70s. And of course being in love with this beaut of car:
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What a hot rod man! Seeing picture of that in the book as an 8 or 9 year old was better than seeing a set of tits at that tender age for me! LOL
 
With on-track time continually being limited and testing not really a thing anymore, I think the athletes are getting worse by the generation.
I strongly suspect the reason Max is better than everyone else is because of his simracing. In the sim, everyone has exactly the same car, so there are no carbabies (you can tune your car though, and Max's team has several automotive engineers on it). Contrary to what you'd expect, Max is not always the fastest member of his simracing clan; he's very fast but he will frequently battle with and get passed by his friends. Because of that, he has a lot more practice with close racing than anyone else on the field. Other young drivers like Norris and Alonso also sim race, but nowhere near as often as Max does.
 
Sky F1 commentators are insane

Hamilton goes straight into Checo by failing to stay inside during a corner
Checo dead and joins Alonso in retirement (can't wait for Really3D recap)
Hamilton gets 5 seconds penalty
Sky F1 commentators

OH WHAT A HARSH PENALTY
OH THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT HAMILTON HAS BEEN AFFECTED BY SUCH A HARSH PENALTY
YEAH THIS IS A HARSH PENALTY FOR HAMILTON
*sigh*
 
My unpopular F1 novelty take is that it is impossible to objectively rank the cars and drivers. There are simply too many variables that have an impact on performance that cannot be controlled for. F1 is the polar opposite of a sport like tennis in that regard. The biggest variable that I don't see people accounting for in historical analysis is the height and weight of the drivers. The new weight rules have minimized the effect to an extent but until 1994 drivers could gain multiple tenths per lap just by being shorter and therefore lighter. For all we know, Mansell could have been a secret GOAT talent wise and Prost could have been mediocre. I believe Senna once said something to the effect of "what do you want me to do, cut off a leg?" when asked by McLaren if he get match Prost's starting weight.

In the same vein not seeing every driver in every car makes ranking the cars and drivers highly speculative. Many people assume that Vettel must have been an amazing driver from 2010-2013 to win as much as he did, but all we know is that he was better than an aging Webber who had to starve himself. If Hamilton or Alonso had been paired with Vettel at Red Bull the history of the sport could very well be completely different.
 
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They need to just say Max wins the WDC this year, credit him winning every pole & race for the rest of the season (bar 1 of each as a gimme just cause shit can happen to him) and let him go off and enjoy the rest of the season and do whatever the fuck he wants. Then with him out of the picture, we will have potentially great action and a few different drivers getting poles and wins. Max is beginning to remind me of Dolph Lundgren's character in Rocky IV-"I must break you".

He really is unstoppable this year and save for some huge disruption in the force, Max is going to finish 2023 with more than half the total of Lewis' career wins and most likely more than Seb to be 3rd all time. He only needs 8 and 10 wins respectively to accomplish this. 11 races remain, but as @Coccxys noted in portion I quoted, the combo of Max/RB are leagues ahead of everyone.

For me, while I certainly remember watching a Monaco race or two before 1980 on ABC Wild World of Sports, and vaguely recall losing Gilles as it was big news here in Canada, I think I really got serious into F1 probably around 85 or 86, just before McLaren/Senna/Prost domination. But I def remember watching NASCAR a lot in the 70s and 80s as my whole introduction to racing was reading a Richard Petty book in mid 70s. And of course being in love with this beaut of car:
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What a hot rod man! Seeing picture of that in the book as an 8 or 9 year old was better than seeing a set of tits at that tender age for me! LOL
It was hard here being into F1 in the US in that era. I caught a few, didn't get regular into it until the Schumacher era. But then, even most Cup races weren't live until then.
My unpopular F1 novelty take is that it is impossible to objectively rank the cars and drivers. There are simply too many variables that have an impact on performance that cannot be controlled for. F1 is the polar opposite of a sport like tennis in that regard. The biggest variable that I don't see people accounting for in historical analysis is the height and weight of the drivers. The new weight rules have minimized the effect to an extent but until 1994 drivers could gain multiple tenths per lap just by being shorter and therefore lighter. For all we know, Mansell could have been a secret GOAT talent wise and Prost could have been mediocre. I believe Senna once said something to the effect of "what do you want me to do, cut off a leg?"

In the same vein not seeing every driver in every car makes ranking the cars and drivers highly speculative. Many people assume that Vettel must have been an amazing driver from 2010-2013 to win as much as he did, but all we know is that he was better than an aging Webber who had to starve himself. If Hamilton or Alonso had been paired with Vettel at Red Bull the history of the sport could very well be completely different.
Those guys a while back who tried to do it primarily on comparing the first and second driver had the most solid methodology so far, I think, but you're right, it's very hard.
 
With on-track time continually being limited and testing not really a thing anymore, I think the athletes are getting worse by the generation.
There are too many races and not enough time for testing in between. Overreliance on sims instead of real cockpit time doesn't help either.

Sadly, the days of the driver having a real say in vehicle development are over.
 
There are too many races and not enough time for testing in between. Overreliance on sims instead of real cockpit time doesn't help either.

Sadly, the days of the driver having a real say in vehicle development are over.
They do that because doing real cockpit time is a restricted testing thing that only became a thing after the 2008 depression as a cost-saving measure. Now that the sport's flush with cash again, it would make sense for unlimited in-car testing as a thing again so teams can help their guys come to the sport prepared and get testing data in a manner where people can actually watch cars go wroom.
 
I still argue Michael Schumacher is the greatest. He built ferrari up from a joke team (apparently its natural state) to a force of nature. Retired on a record number of championships. Came back to drive for Merc for 2010-2012 helped develop through a lot of it's troubles, particularly at the rear to leave and have that development input go on to win 7 championships with a pair of middling drivers.
 
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