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Too bad we don't have the good old Murray Walker commenting on Ferrari's clownshow. His commentary on the Irvine pitstop in 1999 was something else

 
Becky McDonald said:
It isn't even that special of a record.

Jim Clark didn't win a race until his third season in the sport, Lauda didn't win a race until his fourth season in the sport, Prost didn't get it because of the dreadfully uncompetitive 1980 McLaren, Senna didn't get it because of his 1984 season (and even if he did, 1994 would have stopped him from achieving this honour anyway), Schumacher didn't get it during his first run because of 1991, where he spent one lap in a self-destructing Jordan and the rest of the season in a generally uncompetitive Benetton against the race-winning McLarens and Williamses, Alonso didn't get it because of his 2001 season with Minardi and his unlucky '04 season (+ Schumacher's dominance that year), Vettel didn't get it because of his 2007 run with Sauber/Toro Rosso, and Verstappen hasn't got it either because of his first season with Toro Rosso.

It is one of the most pointless statistics in existence, based purely on circumstance of having a race-winning car. And I cannot wait for it to die.
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That's just it his tards hang on to it like it sets him above actual greats when it reality it just proves he's always had it handed to him. Walked right into a top team that was championship winning level and went from there. Him losing that would lose them their one major cope about how he's the bestest ever.

He's never had to build a team around him, he jumped into a top car and won 2nd time round. Then they went into decline and he jumped ship to a team where Schumacher had already layed the ground work for them. People act like it was a massive gamble but Mercedes were winning races and the engine dominated formula was coming up so a team which developed its own was an obvious choice.

SargonF00t said:
Button and the rest of the commentary team were speaking mountains of bullshit trying to hype up Lewis, but Max and Redbull would have won under literally every circumstance, whether there was a VSC or no VSC, or there was a full safety car or not.

Annoying that their bias would genuinely be misleading newbies to the sport.
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Yup. Before the VSC: "oh he'll come out behind hamilton" yeah by like 2 seconds on brand new tyres.

After the VSC: "oh he's only got a 13 second lead and Hamilton is catching at like one tenth a lap" when Vestappen has already been told to bring the tyres in carefully so is going a bit slower.

After the SC: "he only needs to hold Max behind him for 12 laps on used mediums with Max on new softs".

They still think Hambone is driving the rocket ship he's had it handed to him by for multiple seasons.

No way Hamilton kept Max behind him without any VSC, no way he caught up Max with without the SC, and no way he keeps Max behind with the SC.

They kept going on about how hard it is to overtake at zandvoort so Hambone could do it when there had already been a load of overtakes into the 1st corner.

Plus if they pitted him for softs he would have come out behind Max, no way he catches Max (he went screaming off into the distance after the SC) but he probably keeps 2nd.
 
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Do I get points for a partially correct guess?
I assumed Ferrari would fuck up a pitstop by an unsafe release. We didn't get the crash, but we did get the unsafe release. We also got the first pitstop with a missing tyre, a misplaced pneumatic pistol thingy and we got Sainz going full retard under yellow flags.

This was one of the rare races on German TV, so I got my Luise-dicksucking-free pundits, who at some point said that Ferrari simply isn't competition to Red Bull, based on their many avoidable mistakes and fuckups. Just straight up: Ferrari is not capable of taking on Red Bull. So glad I didn't have to listen to Crofty simping for the world's most average F1 driver...
though credit where it's due, Hamilton did drive a decent race, especially on hard tyres.

The race overall was pretty cash tbh. Not much going on at the start, but we got a lot of kino later on with a VSC and an SC, neat moments here and there and also a clownshow. Not a banger like some others, but totally worth watching. It's just a damn shame Mick got screwed over by his team's bad pitstops, but Haas is basically his training wheels anyway. If he gets a decent seat next season, I'd be cautiously optimistic that he'd perform well.

Though what the hell was going on with Tsunoda? I assume his differential broke and he thought it was a loose tyre, but what were his engineers doing when he went back into the pits? Did he unfasten his seatbelts and they had to fasten them again for him? Sucks that his car was broken, but damn, would it have been shameful if he had thought a tyre was loose and it turned out to be incorrect.

Coccxys said:
The reddit seeth and cope is just glorious. They seem to think is Russell stayed out he would have held max enough for hambone to win. In reality he would have drove around Russell at the restart then nuked hambone the next time around. The only way it would have worked is for Hambone to know what's going on and make a strategy call himself.
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The thing is: Why should Merc sacrifice Russel in favor of Hamilton, when Russel has way more points? Makes no sense at all.
And Russel on old tyres defending against Max with fresh softs... for 12 laps. Yeeeeeeeeah. Can I see the footage of Verstappen just flying past Hamilton down the start/finish straight without DRS again? I really need to carefully check that footage to imagine how well defending against him would have worked for Russel for a dozen laps. :story:
Lerias said:
Max Verstappen on fresher soft tires right behind him on a SC when he has older harder tires is what keeps Lewis Hamilton awake at night now I suppose.
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Don't forget: Hamilton also got cockblocked by the Mexican Minister of Defense earlier in the race. It's almost a perfect repeat of Abu Dhabi.
I bet Hamilton had his rodeo-clown-version of Vietnam Flashbacks, only instead of Fortunate Son, it'd be SUPER SUPER MAX MAX MAX SUPER MAX ringing in his ears.
 
Hambone has no idea how to call pit strategy because this is the first year he's ever had to struggle. He just assumes that having his teammate on just as old tires as him in between him and the fastest car with fresh tires will just magically win him the race because he has no idea of what strategy actually means.
 
www.motorsport.com

Ricciardo: Webber apologises as pair finally talk over Piastri situation

Daniel Ricciardo says he and Mark Webber have cleared things up over the Oscar Piastri situation, following a chat at Formula 1’s Dutch Grand Prix.
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As well as having a conversation with Webber over the matter, Ricciardo also says that he has spoken in private to Piastri to also ensure that his replacement knows there are no lingering tensions.

"I've also spoken to Oscar, to be honest, and just made sure that there's no bad feelings there. I understand how this works.

"He's trying to make it: he's trying to get into Formula 1. And this moment should be also really big for him. I don't want to make it a bad situation for him.

"That's that: it's nothing personal. So that's all the conversation was. And I truly do wish him well. I want him to have a good run in Formula 1.
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Riccardo is a top bloke. Hope he gets a drive somewhere next year.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
The thing is: Why should Merc sacrifice Russel in favor of Hamilton, when Russel has way more points? Makes no sense at all.
And Russel on old tyres defending against Max with fresh softs... for 12 laps. Yeeeeeeeeah. Can I see the footage of Verstappen just flying past Hamilton down the start/finish straight without DRS again? I really need to carefully check that footage to imagine how well defending against him would have worked for Russel for a dozen laps. :story:
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Also funny side note: after the 1st pitstoip when Max switched to fresh mediums and the Merc rolled through on their older mediums Crofty was like "Russell will block Verstappen for a long time" just before Max flew past Russell on the straight. And I was like "you were saying my guy?"
 
Silhouette said:
www.motorsport.com

Ricciardo: Webber apologises as pair finally talk over Piastri situation

Daniel Ricciardo says he and Mark Webber have cleared things up over the Oscar Piastri situation, following a chat at Formula 1’s Dutch Grand Prix.
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Riccardo is a top bloke. Hope he gets a drive somewhere next year.
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I'm not surprised. Aussies usually don't hold grudges. In Australia it's perfectly normal to punch on after a bit too much brawling juice, only for both parties to return to the bar 5 minutes later as best mates.
 
Alpine and Red Bull have reached terms for Gastly dependant on Herta being given an exemption by the FIA to drive for AT.

Colton Herta: Red Bull targeting IndyCar star to replace Pierre Gasly at AlphaTauri for 2023​

Red Bull say they have "found an agreement" for Colton Herta but deal is dependent on exemption over superlicense points; Red Bull want Herta to replace Pierre Gasly, who is favourite to land the Alpine seat, at sister team AlphaTauri​

Red Bull want to sign IndyCar star Colton Herta to replace Pierre Gasly at AlphaTauri and could confirm a deal before this weekend's Italian GP.

Gasly, who has been part of the Red Bull stable since his F1 debut five years ago, is Alpine's preferred candidate to fill the vacant seat left by Fernando Alonso, which Oscar Piastri turned down to join McLaren.

Red Bull have indicated they are willing to part ways with Gasly, although would want compensation and a suitable replacement to partner Yuki Tsunoda at their sister team AlphaTauri in 2023.

Herta, the talented 22-year-old American, has emerged as the frontrunner, though he would require an exemption from F1's governing body to be able to compete.

"Astonishingly enough, all of the parties and teams involved, we found an agreement," Red Bull advisor Helmut Marko said.

"First we have to get a definite answer [from the FIA] and I think it should be by Monza."

To obtain a superlicense to compete in F1, drivers need to accumulate 40 points. But despite strong performances in IndyCar with seven race wins, Herta is currently eight points short as the American series, which isn't governed by the FIA and does not rate highly in the licensing system.

Red Bull are hopeful of getting a dispensation, while McLaren boss Zak Brown has also backed getting Herta into F1.

Herta tested for McLaren in July this year and is rated highly by the team.

"I think he's an exciting talent," Red Bull boss Christian Horner said about Herta, per Autosport. "He's a younger American guy that's been a standout talent in the US, so it'll be very interesting to see how he performs in F1.

"And F1 obviously is growing in popularity in the US market at the moment, and to have a successful US driver could be very interesting. It could be interesting for us, in the longer term.

"I mean, we've got contracts with our existing drivers, but AlphaTauri or Toro Rosso, they've produced a great stable of drivers for us to draw upon, whether it be Sebastian [Vettel] or Max [Verstappen] or Daniel [Ricciardo] over the years."

Horner also suggested Herta was Red Bull's only target to step in for Gasly.

He added: "I think Pierre is doing a good job within AlphaTauri. So I don't think there will be a desire to change if there wasn't an interesting option available."
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They're always gonna give preference to their own ladder, but I fully expect them to rubber-stamp most Indycar dudes who have at least won races. Personally, I'd give winning the Indy 500 and 24 Hours of Le Mans overall victory some super-license points in the same manner that Macau Grand Prix wins get you 5 points. I'd say 20 for Indy 500 and 15 for 24 at Le Mans. Maybe 5 points for class wins as well.
 
The Grognard said:
They're always gonna give preference to their own ladder, but I fully expect them to rubber-stamp most Indycar dudes who have at least won races. Personally, I'd give winning the Indy 500 and 24 Hours of Le Mans overall victory some super-license points in the same manner that Macau Grand Prix wins get you 5 points. I'd say 20 for Indy 500 and 15 for 24 at Le Mans. Maybe 5 points for class wins as well.
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...what's the stated reason for doing that for Macau?

And if they're going to do anything with the 500, make it a points paying race again. Imagine that.
 
Villeneuve to test last years car at Monza, Alpine continuing with their love for old aged former wdcs. would like to see Mick at Alpine even if Gasly/Ocon would funny for any rivalry that came up
 
Mikoyan said:
...what's the stated reason for doing that for Macau?

And if they're going to do anything with the 500, make it a points paying race again. Imagine that.
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In case you don't know, Macau is an invitational F3 race on a track that makes Monaco seem like Monza. People like Ayrton Senna and David Coulthard have won it before they went to F1. It's usually a pretty good way to see which drivers do well on that knife-fight of a track. And I doubt neither Monaco or Indy want to move from the same day they race. Though that's part of the allure of that weekend because you get two very different kinds of races that require elite-level skills to win.
 
The Grognard said:
In case you don't know, Macau is an invitational F3 race on a track that makes Monaco seem like Monza. People like Ayrton Senna and David Coulthard have won it before they went to F1. It's usually a pretty good way to see which drivers do well on that knife-fight of a track. And I doubt neither Monaco or Indy want to move from the same day they race. Though that's part of the allure of that weekend because you get two very different kinds of races that require elite-level skills to win.
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I wasn't aware of the invitational aspect somehow. Formulae other than 1 over here is a bit hard to get data on, and I say that following F1 on and off since the 80s.
 
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