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Care to elaborate the lore on this? I only vaguely remember Schumacher when I was back when he was the driver to beat.
He won his first two titles in '94 and '95 in Benetton, switched to Ferrari that had only half as many points as Benetton in '95.
In 1996, Ferrari got 70 points to Williams' 175 (!), in '97 Schumacher competed for the title and it was a close call (until that certain situation in the last race).
In 1998, Schumacher again lost somewhat narrowly to Häkkinen and in '99 his hopes were dashed due to a severe crash in Silverstone, breaking his leg.

It might be a bit of an overstatement to say Ferrari sucked, but they were in a weak position in '95, so going there was a bold move and it took them quite a long time to get on equal footing with the simply insane competition by Hill, Villeneuve and Häkkinen.

Compared to that, Hamilton's career was a giant cakewalk for almost a decade of nearly uncontested titles.
 
Then after Schumacher retired from Ferrari and decided to come back out of retirement a few seasons later it was to work with Mercedes (the people who paid for his junior career) as they were coming into the sport.

Mercedes bought the Brawn F1 team the surprise winners of that season. The car was not good though, Brawn had practically no money or staff so almost all of their wins and points came at the beginning of the season but it was enough to get them the win.

The early Mercedes seasons the car ate its rears. It just overheated them almost instantly and they fell apart from there. Schumacher did a lot of work with the engineers to make the car better balanced and more drivable. The 2014 engine regulations were well known by this point and Schumacher had some input into the engine department.

In 2013 Toto bought 1/3 of the team with a business partner and sacked the dlteam principal to take over himself. Schumacher left too back into retirement. Toto hired hambone into the other seat and then from 2014 they just walked it.

This is the first time Hamilton and Toto as a partnership have not just been winning, it doesn't look like their relationship is dealing with it well.
 
Would F1 ever go the active aero route? Like dynamically adjusting surfaces that provide just the right amount of downforce on tap? And then tucking it away on straights?

Care to elaborate the lore on this? I only vaguely remember Schumacher when I was a kid back when he was the driver to beat.
Yeah, when Schumi joined Ferrari they had not won a title since 1979, won by Jodi Scheckter. That was the longest streak, by far, that the Prancing Horse had gone without glory. They were mostly a mid-field team as well for the mid 80s until Schumi. They didn't win many races during that time frame. McLaren/Williams in 80s & early 90s, then Williams/Benetton in early 90s to mid-90s and then Hakkinen to close out the decade were the ones that took it all. That is a long time for Ferrari to not have at least grabbed 1 title. McLaren/Williams are kind of in that boat now. Once RB and Merc came into the sport, with the bags of cash, they were able to become the powerhouses and have been for the last decade. Ferrari though at least kept pace pretty much to be 3rd/4th best for the last 10 years. Williams did well those 2 years when the Merc engine was all powerful, but look how bad they have sunk.

When Schumi scored his two in 94 and 95 then moved to Ferrari for 96, it wasn't long before Ferrari was in the running to win the titles during the latter half of the 90s. They didn't quite achieve the titles in those 4 years (96-99, as @RomanesEuntDomus touched on), but each year they were right there. Before Schumi era though, they basically sucked for 15 years. They did build a dream team with Brawn/Todt/Schumi for sure, but Michael was instrumental in getting them to design a car that would allow him to use his mega-talent and while it took 4 years, it paid off huge when he had his run of 5 straight. And he contributed and laid the groundwork for the same to happen with Merc when the new engine regs came in. In 2014 Merc were pretty close to what McLaren did in 1988. Total domination. Ricciardo won 3 races in 2014, but every other win was a Merc.

Out of all the drivers that could have joined Merc in 2013, it just had to be Hamilton. Anyone else I bet we would all currently have a much different view of the Merc domination we have all suffered through. Like if Vettel/Alonso/ANYONE had got that seat, I think while the domination would have been tiring, I doubt any of us would have a problem if it was another driver who reaped the benefits. Too bad Schumi was pretty much done, it would have been good if he could have stuck around 2 more years and scored his 8th in 2014. Sadly, if he had stuck around, he may never have had the tragedy befall him. Butterfly effect and all.

tl;dr-Hamilton benefitted greatly without doing jackshit. Schumi worked hard for his rewards. Who is the better "man"?
 
What an egotistical prick.

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What an egotistical prick.

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Back in the early 2000s, the loathsome Chapman brothers laid their mitts on some rare, mint condition Goya etchings, printed from the artist's plates, which they "rectified" by gleefully adding clown and puppy heads. They exhibited these vandalised (sorry, "rectified") works under the title 'The Rape of Creativity'.

Life imitates art, so now we have Lewis Hamilton's "masterpiece"; some cartoonish daubings overlaying the work of creators who are superior to him in every regard, except perhaps in the hotly contested field of douchery, where, I will submit, Hamilton excels.
 

F1 to trial new mandatory qualifying tyre compound rule in 2023​

Posted on 29th April 2022, 18:55 | Written by Will Wood

Formula 1 drivers will be required to use specific tyre compounds during different stages of qualifying in a trial of a new format next year.

The change to next year’s rules is detailed in updated sporting regulations for the current season issued by the FIA.

The F1 Commission agreed earlier this week to trial a reduction in the total number of tyre sets permitted for a race weekend from 13 to 11. This will take place at two races next year where a ‘Revised Qualifying Format’ is to be used.

Drivers will receive half as many soft compound tyres for these events as usual – four instead of eight. The allocations of medium and hard tyres will increase by one each, to four and three respectively. In a further change, drivers will be required to use one of each of these compounds during the regular, three-stage qualifying session.

Each driver will only be permitted to run on the hardest compound of dry tyres in Q1. The medium compound will be mandatory in Q2 and those who reach Q3 may only use the soft tyres.

In a statement released after the F1 Commission meeting on Tuesday, the FIA noted that a test run of reduced tyre compounds at two race weekends in the 2023 season would be carried out “to evaluate the impact of the reduction in tyre allocation on track-running, with the overall intention to move to more sustainable use of tyres in the future.”

Rules changes approved for this year include scrapping the maximum number of tyre testing days of 30 permitted in the season, as well as clarifications over the use of so-called ‘mule cars’ and what the FIA will recognise as ‘genuine car damage’ sustained in incidents for rules purposes.

The Commission also discussed expanding the number of sprint races to six next year, but the FIA is yet to grant its approval for the change. The first edition of the 2023 F1 sporting regulations has yet to be published.

Revised 2023 F1 driver tyre allocations​

TyreRevised Qualifying FormatQualifyingSprint Race
Soft486
Medium434
Hard322
Total111312
 

F1 to trial new mandatory qualifying tyre compound rule in 2023​

Posted on 29th April 2022, 18:55 | Written by Will Wood

Formula 1 drivers will be required to use specific tyre compounds during different stages of qualifying in a trial of a new format next year.

The change to next year’s rules is detailed in updated sporting regulations for the current season issued by the FIA.

The F1 Commission agreed earlier this week to trial a reduction in the total number of tyre sets permitted for a race weekend from 13 to 11. This will take place at two races next year where a ‘Revised Qualifying Format’ is to be used.

Drivers will receive half as many soft compound tyres for these events as usual – four instead of eight. The allocations of medium and hard tyres will increase by one each, to four and three respectively. In a further change, drivers will be required to use one of each of these compounds during the regular, three-stage qualifying session.

Each driver will only be permitted to run on the hardest compound of dry tyres in Q1. The medium compound will be mandatory in Q2 and those who reach Q3 may only use the soft tyres.

In a statement released after the F1 Commission meeting on Tuesday, the FIA noted that a test run of reduced tyre compounds at two race weekends in the 2023 season would be carried out “to evaluate the impact of the reduction in tyre allocation on track-running, with the overall intention to move to more sustainable use of tyres in the future.”

Rules changes approved for this year include scrapping the maximum number of tyre testing days of 30 permitted in the season, as well as clarifications over the use of so-called ‘mule cars’ and what the FIA will recognise as ‘genuine car damage’ sustained in incidents for rules purposes.

The Commission also discussed expanding the number of sprint races to six next year, but the FIA is yet to grant its approval for the change. The first edition of the 2023 F1 sporting regulations has yet to be published.

Revised 2023 F1 driver tyre allocations​

TyreRevised Qualifying FormatQualifyingSprint Race
Soft486
Medium434
Hard322
Total111312
Seems like more unnecessary gimmics for the sake of gimmics. It's not going to shake the grid up significantly and it's just reducing the strategic choices avaliable throughout the weekend.
 
There is a theory going around that Mclaren made better progress then the other Merc teams because they use their own rear suspension and not the one that is build by Mercedes and supplied to Williams and Aston. So maybe the problem is "just" the rear suspension. Of course fixing this issue might take more time especially since the Merc itself has a complete different design theory then the rest of the field. Also funny sidenote: Red Bull brought a new rear suspension to Imola and suddenly the propoising was cured. So maybe that's the key to get the car working in general. Hopefully Ferrari will bring somethingh similar to cure there propoising even though they don't loose performance because of it
With Mercedes, you never know if they didn't design their rear suspension from the ground up with a specific design that only works with a no-pod approach, but didn't tell their partner teams and gave them a suspension that's literally worthless to them if they run a regular sidepod design.

I'd be pretty pissed in that case, if I was AM.

I think it's part of the deals Mercedes offers. Customers can buy more then just the engine you can also buy the gearbox and other stuff that is basically part of the engine. It also saves the customers time to design and build those parts as they simply get what fits the engine. I think Ferrari does the same

Haas had huge issues in 2020 (and I think 2021), cause the Ferrari rear suspension was utter garbage. IIRC, the suspension heated up during the race, which made the balance shift quite extremely, so a setup that works well for Qualifying would change over time, possibly even during the course of a single lap, depending on how hot the engine runs.

Buying parts from a partner like Merc or Ferrari is a great idea to safe on cost when it works, but when the package sucks, you're shit out of luck.

Hambone says this now, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has his own Alain Prost "truck" moment before the season is out. Whether it'd be enough for Toto to fire Hambone, especially given current year sensibilities, is another story.
At the moment, I doubt it. Toto is very open about the car underperforming.
Ferrari is the kind of company that'll make a shitbox of a car and still claim it's perfection on wheels and the sole issue is with the driver not being able to take advantage of their divine design decisions.

Both race directors have covid, unfortunately nothing funny will happen even if they can't travel :(
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In a perfect world something like this would happen:

After Russel spins in Q2 and can't get a quick time, it's up to Hamilton to perform, he somehow manages to drag his car to Q3, he gets a decent time, right on P4 with a decent chance to profit, should the front runners have issues!
He gets out of the car, removes his helmet and shakes his sausage hair. His massive golden earrings jangle while bright rays of light flash and shine off their polished surfaces. As he walks to the cool down room, a sulfuric, putrid, noxious smoke billows from the doorway and a dark silhouette emerges. "Well well well, Lewis" a loud, booming voice anounces. Hamilton is taken aback. It can't be. It simply can't be. Not him. "Congratulations to your good lap time, Lewis.... but... what's that? Oh no." Masi's voice echoes down the pit lane "Are those earrings? And that after FIA expressly forbade wearing those while driving...? Such a shame, such a shame. Lewis, you're disqualified from racing this weekend." Everything turns into a blurr of tears and impotent anger, as Lewis virgin-walks to his trailer.

F1 to trial new mandatory qualifying tyre compound rule in 2023​

Posted on 29th April 2022, 18:55 | Written by Will Wood

Formula 1 drivers will be required to use specific tyre compounds during different stages of qualifying in a trial of a new format next year.

The change to next year’s rules is detailed in updated sporting regulations for the current season issued by the FIA.

The F1 Commission agreed earlier this week to trial a reduction in the total number of tyre sets permitted for a race weekend from 13 to 11. This will take place at two races next year where a ‘Revised Qualifying Format’ is to be used.

Drivers will receive half as many soft compound tyres for these events as usual – four instead of eight. The allocations of medium and hard tyres will increase by one each, to four and three respectively. In a further change, drivers will be required to use one of each of these compounds during the regular, three-stage qualifying session.

Each driver will only be permitted to run on the hardest compound of dry tyres in Q1. The medium compound will be mandatory in Q2 and those who reach Q3 may only use the soft tyres.

In a statement released after the F1 Commission meeting on Tuesday, the FIA noted that a test run of reduced tyre compounds at two race weekends in the 2023 season would be carried out “to evaluate the impact of the reduction in tyre allocation on track-running, with the overall intention to move to more sustainable use of tyres in the future.”

Rules changes approved for this year include scrapping the maximum number of tyre testing days of 30 permitted in the season, as well as clarifications over the use of so-called ‘mule cars’ and what the FIA will recognise as ‘genuine car damage’ sustained in incidents for rules purposes.

The Commission also discussed expanding the number of sprint races to six next year, but the FIA is yet to grant its approval for the change. The first edition of the 2023 F1 sporting regulations has yet to be published.

Revised 2023 F1 driver tyre allocations​

TyreRevised Qualifying FormatQualifyingSprint Race
Soft486
Medium434
Hard322
Total111312
This is a complete garbage decision. FIA might as well tell drivers in what order to start, without bothering with a qualifiying. They make so many stupid orders during races like mandatory tyre changes, mandatory use of compounds and so on, we need to cut back on that shit, not go deeper into crap creek.

The more open the rules are with tyre changes, the more crazy teams can get with strategies. Allow no-stop races, allow single-compound races, allow fucking FREEDOM to make a bold strategy. Most times, teams will stick to what we see now with teams using different tyre compounds during different stages of the race anyway, but merely having the option of going the long way or using up 3 sets of soft tyres or something outrageous like that would be cool.
 
This is a complete garbage decision. FIA might as well tell drivers in what order to start, without bothering with a qualifiying. They make so many stupid orders during races like mandatory tyre changes, mandatory use of compounds and so on, we need to cut back on that shit, not go deeper into crap creek.

The more open the rules are with tyre changes, the more crazy teams can get with strategies. Allow no-stop races, allow single-compound races, allow fucking FREEDOM to make a bold strategy. Most times, teams will stick to what we see now with teams using different tyre compounds during different stages of the race anyway, but merely having the option of going the long way or using up 3 sets of soft tyres or something outrageous like that would be cool.

I've always said they should let teams nominate which of the range will be their soft, medium and hard for each race. Some teams might target being super gentle on tyres and take softer than anyone else to use the delta or some teams might decide the hardest in the range and try to no stop. Or teams deciding to go as soft as possible and running a 3 stop race but being super fast.

If they have to decide it a way ahead of time (since Pireli would need to know what to bring) there could be some fun weather effects where someone brought the 3 softest compounds and its a lot colder than expected so they can warm up better than anyone else.

Giving more strategy options should produce more interesting strategies. Though the FOM/FIA doesn't want strategy, that's too hard for the DTS audience, they want nonstop DRS "overtakes".
 
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Audi, Porsche have decided to enter Formula 1, says VW CEO (archive)

BERLIN, May 2 (Reuters) - Volkswagen's premium brands Audi and Porsche have decided to join Formula One, Volkswagen Chief Executive Herbert Diess said on Monday.

There has been speculation for several months that the two brands were in negotiation over partnerships to enter the highest class of international motor racing.

Diess, speaking on YouTube, said that Porsche's preparations were a little more concrete.

The German carmaker, which has not previously been involved with Formula One but has worked with Red Bull in the world rally championship, did not announce how it planned on entering the sport.

Audi is ready to offer around 500 million euros ($556.30 million) for British luxury sports carmaker McLaren as a means to enter, a source told Reuters in March, while Porsche intends to establish a long-term partnership with racing team Red Bull starting in several years' time.

The decision comes as Volkswagen prepares for a possible listing of Porsche AG planned for the fourth quarter of this year, though sources have said the entry into Formula One racing would only be likely to happen in a few years' time.
 
I thought Porsche competed in F1 before? I seem to have a recall of owning a 1/43 scale model of an F1 Porsche. I think it was all silver and if it is as I am picturing the model in my mind, it was an early-mid 60s. Maybe Dan Gurney was the driver? I suppose I could look it up, but I seem to vaguely remember it. If I am correct, is it more a case of back then VW didn't own Porsche and that is what the article means?
EDIT-Oh yeah,. didn't McLaren use Porsche engines at one point? Or am I mixing it up with a different manufacturer?
 
I thought Porsche competed in F1 before? I seem to have a recall of owning a 1/43 scale model of an F1 Porsche. I think it was all silver and if it is as I am picturing the model in my mind, it was an early-mid 60s. Maybe Dan Gurney was the driver? I suppose I could look it up, but I seem to vaguely remember it. If I am correct, is it more a case of back then VW didn't own Porsche and that is what the article means?
EDIT-Oh yeah,. didn't McLaren use Porsche engines at one point? Or am I mixing it up with a different manufacturer?
You would be correct, though the engines supplied to McLaren were not badged as Porsche engines.

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The more, the merrier. I also hope that FIA will sweeten the deal by making the engines less of a clusterfuck. When they are more accessible, we might get a more even playground.

The 'murican lead FOM are guaranteed to bend over backwards to get Andretti in. They are desperate to muricanise the whole thing as much as possible.

In case of Andretti having a team, that's fine with me. As long as they don't go out of their way and replace Spa and Silverstone with a Tilke-track on a parking lot in Detroit or something equally silly.
 
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